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RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

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FlagDUDE08 said:
Except wasn't Monty hired when Appert came in? If I remember correctly, Jeff Matthews and the other assistant coach were dismissed when Fridgen left.

If anything, I'd think admission standards have risen, given the 'tute isn't primarily recruiting in the Northeast anymore.
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Yes, Montgomery was hired by Appert. That's what I meant. He left and Appert has two young fairly inexperienced assistants.
I was relating that situation to late in Fridgen's tenure. Fridge also lost two assistants in the span of a year or two and the team began to decline. Recruiting contacts are critical and the experience and maturity of an assitant with a few years in the business is very improtant.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
I agree that Monty was a big loss. I also am not convinced that admission standards have changed recently.
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I wonder if old timers like you and I could get admitted under current requirements?
 
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IMO said:
I do not want to sound trite when I say that we should all take a step back and have a bit of compasssion with the coach and players. The post game interview was clearly had to watch and we need to all understand that everyone is doing the best they can in the current situation. Players and coaches that make it to this level are there because they are extremely competitive. We all know at times in our lives when things weren't going well and let's face it-it is hard to pull yourself out at times. These are good and talented young men and I am not going to critique a coach on a hockey thread. I can assure you no one in that locker room wants this team to be in the position that they are in and are doing everything they can to climb out. Let's give them a break and let the coach and players have some breathing room and stay supportive. What is the saying-if you have nothing good to say don't say it at all. It doesn't help the team having additional pressure and really what they need is confidence and support. We can do better.
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This is perfectly said. These are fantastic kids, and anyone can say what they want but I want my kids associated with people like SA and Col. Knowlton. Every day. Consider the level of frustration being expressed on this thread, and now imagine what its like in the locker room. We have some people playing very hard but there is also an element of frustration coming out in the play that is causing some of these penalties. You get down and it just feels like you cant ever get a break...not even a single one. No question that there is something going on here, but I'm not sure that there really is a single answer. Again, maybe its just getting back to having fun and banging bodies and just getting pucks on net. I just hope all of these kids and this staff all come together for each other and not have any individual aspect (such as a single person's frustration drawing a penalty). In the meantime, I'll reiterate that everyone here has won at every level that they ever competed in. I'm happy to take the team we have. I dont know what's going on, but I trust that they can ultimately work it out. From here, it all beings with effort. I'm still on board.
 
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DrDemento said:
This is the kind of post I was looking to see. Apparently someone else has been seeing what I have been seeing and has been able to give some tactical examples. I still think our talent is out there-we have great kids-but we just have not played strategic hockey utilizing our assets.
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I'm replying to the Dr's response to "Interested" - yes, there are all kinds of example of things to point to. I'll go back to unleashing these kids at this point. We have more than enough talent on this team.I see way to much "system" instead of "flow". I think that the system is asking these kids to play and do things that they have never done before, and not necessarily in their comfort zone. Let them do what they do best, and then just get out of the way and let them play.
 
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I'm not trying to spark controversy or anything like that, I just decided that I wanted to provide an update of what I posted at the end of November since the team's played 9 games since then.

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|                                                         Totals                                               |
|       |              For              |            Against            |               National               |
| Year  |  G Tot Even PP SH PPCh PPPrct |  G Tot Even PP SH PPCh PPPrct |    G  Tot Even   PP  SH  PPCh PPPrct |
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| 06-07 | 36  88   49 36  3  239   15.1 | 36 130   66 52 12  249   20.9 | 2218 6426 3857 2249 320 13280   16.9 |
| 07-08 | 38  79   64 12  3  170    7.1 | 38 113   73 29 11  205   14.1 | 2244 6189 4098 1819 272 10948   16.6 |
| 08-09 | 39  76   55 17  4  195    8.7 | 39 132   84 43  5  245   17.6 | 2198 6175 3911 1967 297 11977   16.4 |
| 09-10 | 39 109   65 39  5  213   18.3 | 39 108   65 38  5  212   17.9 | 2196 6450 4187 2008 255 10984   18.3 |
| 10-11 | 38 110   69 36  5  205   17.6 | 38  90   56 31  3  198   15.7 | 2190 6394 4186 1834 285 10131   18.1 |
| 11-12 | 22  33   19 12  2  101   11.9 | 22  69   47 18  4  114   15.8 | 1280 3628 2414 1059 155  5779   18.3 |
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|                                               Per-Game Average                                    |
|       |             For             |           Against           |            National           |
| Year  |  G  Tot Even   PP   SH PPCh |  G  Tot Even   PP   SH PPCh |    G  Tot Even   PP   SH PPCh |
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| 06-07 | 36 2.44 1.36 1.00 0.08 6.64 | 36 3.61 1.83 1.44 0.33 6.92 | 2218 2.90 1.74 1.01 0.14 5.99 |
| 07-08 | 38 2.08 1.68 0.32 0.08 4.47 | 38 2.97 1.92 0.76 0.29 5.39 | 2244 2.76 1.83 0.81 0.12 4.88 |
| 08-09 | 39 1.95 1.41 0.44 0.10 5.00 | 39 3.38 2.15 1.10 0.13 6.28 | 2198 2.81 1.78 0.89 0.14 5.45 |
| 09-10 | 39 2.79 1.67 1.00 0.13 5.46 | 39 2.77 1.67 0.97 0.13 5.44 | 2196 2.94 1.91 0.91 0.12 5.00 |
| 10-11 | 38 2.89 1.82 0.95 0.13 5.39 | 38 2.37 1.47 0.82 0.08 5.21 | 2190 2.92 1.95 0.84 0.13 4.63 |
| 11-12 | 22 1.50 0.86 0.55 0.09 4.59 | 22 3.14 2.14 0.82 0.18 5.18 | 1280 2.83 1.89 0.83 0.12 4.51 |
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G = Games; Tot = Total Goals Scored; Even = Even-Strength Goals; PP = Power Play Goals;
SH = Shorthanded Goals; PPCh = Power Play Chances; PPPrct = Power Play Percent

And, again, full spreadsheet found here.

PS, the post with the stats through 13 games can be found here.
 
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burgie12 said:
I'm not trying to spark controversy or anything like that, I just decided that I wanted to provide an update of what I posted at the end of November since the team's played 9 games since then.
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We're scoring a bit more per game and giving up a bit more per game. I guess that we knew that. :p
 
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At least this year we don't have to worry about the January meltdown... or the February meltdown... and for all you Fridge lovers, that isn't just an Appert thing.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
We're scoring a bit more per game and giving up a bit more per game. I guess that we knew that. :p
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I think what I was most surprised by was that the team has scored 14 even-strength goals in the past 9 games after just 5 in the first 13.

That and the PP rate has improved / stayed the same (%age has increased by a point and a half, PPG/game has remained constant).

But, yes, the extra half-goal against per game certainly hurts quite a lot.
 
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burgie12 said:
I think what I was most surprised by was that the team has scored 14 even-strength goals in the past 9 games after just 5 in the first 13.

That and the PP rate has improved / stayed the same (%age has increased by a point and a half, PPG/game has remained constant).

But, yes, the extra half-goal against per game certainly hurts quite a lot.
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Burgie-do these stats include the empty net goals (10) scored against us this year? If so, I wonder how different the numbers would look without those included. I realize that empty net goals are still goals, but this year we have allowed an inordinate number and many scored when we were already down more than 1 goal against.
 
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Any info on next years OOC schedule circulating?
 
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johnk said:
Any info on next years OOC schedule circulating?
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I would assume a return trip to MSU Mankato.

I'd like to see us play UNO, Canisius and NMU just to round it out and say we've played every currently-existing Div. I NCAA men's hockey team at least once. :-) I believe those are the only three we've never faced after playing Mankato this season.

I'd also love to see, if possible, the schedule filled with real tough OOC opponents like we had this season. I want more Colorado College, Notre Dame, Ferris State, and some others from the WCHA and CCHA -- maybe even some North Dakotas, Minnesotas, Denvers, etc. No matter how horridly RPI may be playing, I'd rather be playing good, competitive hockey that will make the team learn something than the "tough hockey" the likes of Clarkson played that included a rousing, head-spinning roadtrip of contests against AIC, Sacred Heart and Bentley.
 
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I just wanted to relate this story from Friday nights UMD/UNO game that was broadcast on NBC sports.
And I only mention it in regards to our conversation about when to pull the goalie.
With over 6 minutes to play, Dean Blaise pulled his goaltender while trailing by two goals.
UNO won a face off and kept the puck in the offensive zone for at least 30 seconds. With a UNO player about to take a slap shot, one of the linesmen blew his whistle thinking there were too many men on the ice. OUCH!!!
I wouldn't have minded if he made the call at the original face off, but they had been playing for quite a while when he realized that there might have been too many men.
And I thought that the ECAC officials didn't have a clue.
 
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DrDemento said:
Burgie-do these stats include the empty net goals (10) scored against us this year? If so, I wonder how different the numbers would look without those included. I realize that empty net goals are still goals, but this year we have allowed an inordinate number and many scored when we were already down more than 1 goal against.
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They don't, because there isn't a readily available list of the ENGs that were scored, so in order to get the National statistics, I'd have to go through every single game over the past six seasons and look for every single instance of "EN." That's not going to happen.

But, for you, Doc, I'd do anything. So, here's the stats for RPI and their opponents either including or excluding empty-net goals.

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|       | with/out |              For              |            Against            |
| Year  |   ENGs   |  G Tot Even PP SH PPCh PPPrct |  G Tot Even PP SH PPCh PPPrct |
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| 06-07 |   with   | 36  88   49 36  3  239   15.1 | 36 130   66 52 12  249   20.9 |
| 06-07 |  without | 36  88   49 36  3  239   15.1 | 36 123   61 52 10  249   20.9 |
| 07-08 |   with   | 38  79   64 12  3  170    7.1 | 38 113   73 29 11  205   14.1 |
| 07-08 |  without | 38  76   61 12  3  170    7.1 | 38 106   68 29  9  205   14.1 |
| 08-09 |   with   | 39  76   55 17  4  195    8.7 | 39 132   84 43  5  245   17.6 |
| 08-09 |  without | 39  76   55 17  4  195    8.7 | 39 124   77 43  4  245   17.6 |
| 09-10 |   with   | 39 109   65 39  5  213   18.3 | 39 108   65 38  5  212   17.9 |
| 09-10 |  without | 39 105   62 39  4  213   18.3 | 39 106   63 38  5  212   17.9 |
| 10-11 |   with   | 38 110   69 36  5  205   17.6 | 38  90   56 31  3  198   15.7 |
| 10-11 |  without | 38 107   66 36  5  205   17.6 | 38  87   54 30  3  198   15.2 |
| 11-12 |   with   | 22  33   19 12  2  101   11.9 | 22  69   47 18  4  114   15.8 |
| 11-12 |  without | 22  32   18 12  2  101   11.9 | 22  59   38 17  4  114   14.9 |
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|       | with/out |             For             |           Against           |
| Year  |   ENGs   |  G  Tot Even   PP   SH PPCh |  G  Tot Even   PP   SH PPCh |
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| 06-07 |   with   | 36 2.44 1.36 1.00 0.08 6.64 | 36 3.61 1.83 1.44 0.33 6.92 |
| 06-07 |  without | 36 2.44 1.36 1.00 0.08 6.64 | 36 3.42 1.69 1.44 0.28 6.92 |
| 07-08 |   with   | 38 2.08 1.68 0.32 0.08 4.47 | 38 2.97 1.92 0.76 0.29 5.39 |
| 07-08 |  without | 38 2.00 1.61 0.32 0.08 4.47 | 38 2.79 1.79 0.76 0.24 5.39 |
| 08-09 |   with   | 39 1.95 1.41 0.44 0.10 5.00 | 39 3.38 2.15 1.10 0.13 6.28 |
| 08-09 |  without | 39 1.95 1.41 0.44 0.10 5.00 | 39 3.18 1.97 1.10 0.10 6.28 |
| 09-10 |   with   | 39 2.79 1.67 1.00 0.13 5.46 | 39 2.77 1.67 0.97 0.13 5.44 |
| 09-10 |  without | 39 2.69 1.59 1.00 0.10 5.46 | 39 2.72 1.62 0.97 0.13 5.44 |
| 10-11 |   with   | 38 2.89 1.82 0.95 0.13 5.39 | 38 2.37 1.47 0.82 0.08 5.21 |
| 10-11 |  without | 38 2.82 1.74 0.95 0.13 5.39 | 38 2.29 1.42 0.79 0.08 5.21 |
| 11-12 |   with   | 22 1.50 0.86 0.55 0.09 4.59 | 22 3.14 2.14 0.82 0.18 5.18 |
| 11-12 |  without | 22 1.45 0.82 0.55 0.09 4.59 | 22 2.68 1.73 0.77 0.18 5.18 |
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G = Games; Tot = Total Goals Scored; Even = Even-Strength Goals; PP = Power Play Goals;
SH = Shorthanded Goals; PPCh = Power Play Chances; PPPrct = Power Play Percent
 
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johnk said:
Any info on next years OOC schedule circulating?
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I imagine we'll be making a weekend trip to Mankato, hosting Ferris St. and you also know there will be a non-leaguer vs Union. SA mentioned on a previous WaP podcast that BU will likely be back on the schedule, probably in Boston. UAH is searching for opponents next season, so I wouldnt be surprised to see them come to RPI for a game or two. Penn St. could be another good possibility.

As for possible tournaments, some of the fields have already been announced for next season but ones that havent (that im aware of) are the Maverick Stampede, Denver Cup, Mariucci Classic, Ledyard Bank tourny in Dartmouth and the Catamount Cup. I cant see RPI making another trip back up to Alaska for the Kendall or the Goal Rush since we were just up there a few years ago.

I think a couple other possible opponents could be Army or RIT.
 
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burgie12 said:
They don't, because there isn't a readily available list of the ENGs that were scored, so in order to get the National statistics, I'd have to go through every single game over the past six seasons and look for every single instance of "EN." That's not going to happen.

But, for you, Doc, I'd do anything. So, here's the stats for RPI and their opponents either including or excluding empty-net goals.

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|                                     Totals                                       |
|       | with/out |              For              |            Against            |
| Year  |   ENGs   |  G Tot Even PP SH PPCh PPPrct |  G Tot Even PP SH PPCh PPPrct |
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| 06-07 |   with   | 36  88   49 36  3  239   15.1 | 36 130   66 52 12  249   20.9 |
| 06-07 |  without | 36  88   49 36  3  239   15.1 | 36 123   61 52 10  249   20.9 |
| 07-08 |   with   | 38  79   64 12  3  170    7.1 | 38 113   73 29 11  205   14.1 |
| 07-08 |  without | 38  76   61 12  3  170    7.1 | 38 106   68 29  9  205   14.1 |
| 08-09 |   with   | 39  76   55 17  4  195    8.7 | 39 132   84 43  5  245   17.6 |
| 08-09 |  without | 39  76   55 17  4  195    8.7 | 39 124   77 43  4  245   17.6 |
| 09-10 |   with   | 39 109   65 39  5  213   18.3 | 39 108   65 38  5  212   17.9 |
| 09-10 |  without | 39 105   62 39  4  213   18.3 | 39 106   63 38  5  212   17.9 |
| 10-11 |   with   | 38 110   69 36  5  205   17.6 | 38  90   56 31  3  198   15.7 |
| 10-11 |  without | 38 107   66 36  5  205   17.6 | 38  87   54 30  3  198   15.2 |
| 11-12 |   with   | 22  33   19 12  2  101   11.9 | 22  69   47 18  4  114   15.8 |
| 11-12 |  without | 22  32   18 12  2  101   11.9 | 22  59   38 17  4  114   14.9 |
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|       | with/out |             For             |           Against           |
| Year  |   ENGs   |  G  Tot Even   PP   SH PPCh |  G  Tot Even   PP   SH PPCh |
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| 06-07 |   with   | 36 2.44 1.36 1.00 0.08 6.64 | 36 3.61 1.83 1.44 0.33 6.92 |
| 06-07 |  without | 36 2.44 1.36 1.00 0.08 6.64 | 36 3.42 1.69 1.44 0.28 6.92 |
| 07-08 |   with   | 38 2.08 1.68 0.32 0.08 4.47 | 38 2.97 1.92 0.76 0.29 5.39 |
| 07-08 |  without | 38 2.00 1.61 0.32 0.08 4.47 | 38 2.79 1.79 0.76 0.24 5.39 |
| 08-09 |   with   | 39 1.95 1.41 0.44 0.10 5.00 | 39 3.38 2.15 1.10 0.13 6.28 |
| 08-09 |  without | 39 1.95 1.41 0.44 0.10 5.00 | 39 3.18 1.97 1.10 0.10 6.28 |
| 09-10 |   with   | 39 2.79 1.67 1.00 0.13 5.46 | 39 2.77 1.67 0.97 0.13 5.44 |
| 09-10 |  without | 39 2.69 1.59 1.00 0.10 5.46 | 39 2.72 1.62 0.97 0.13 5.44 |
| 10-11 |   with   | 38 2.89 1.82 0.95 0.13 5.39 | 38 2.37 1.47 0.82 0.08 5.21 |
| 10-11 |  without | 38 2.82 1.74 0.95 0.13 5.39 | 38 2.29 1.42 0.79 0.08 5.21 |
| 11-12 |   with   | 22 1.50 0.86 0.55 0.09 4.59 | 22 3.14 2.14 0.82 0.18 5.18 |
| 11-12 |  without | 22 1.45 0.82 0.55 0.09 4.59 | 22 2.68 1.73 0.77 0.18 5.18 |
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G = Games; Tot = Total Goals Scored; Even = Even-Strength Goals; PP = Power Play Goals;
SH = Shorthanded Goals; PPCh = Power Play Chances; PPPrct = Power Play Percent
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Thanks Burgie-I was trying to do but could not figure it out as completely as you did. It seems pretty striking what a difference it makes. We are having a rough year (rough is not exactly a strong enough word). But the numbers have looked so awful with all 10 empty net goals included. They have even affected our PP and PK numbers since if I am correct either one or more empty net goals were scored when we were shorthanded at the end of a game and still pulled the goalie (or on a power play when we pulled the goalie and gave up an empty netter which counted as a shorthanded goal). Your chart makes it so much clearer. We are indeed offensively challenged. If we keep the defensive numbers the same, and insert almost any previous year's offensive numbers, this thread would include a lot more positive posts.
 
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