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RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

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REDaero91 said:
This. I remember mentioning to a friend at the beginning of the season that we had five skaters on the ice, not a team, and that was part of our problem scoring goals. Now we're starting to get some chemistry and the goals are coming, but the lack of communication continues and now the defense is where it hurts. I don't doubt that these guys get along well and are the best of friends off the ice, but for some reason something's not clicking when they play.

I disagree slightly with your first point though-this team has a lot of talent, and I think that's what makes it all the more frustrating that they're getting the results they have been. If they weren't great players, we'd chalk it up to that and move on. But we all know they can be better, and we've seen flashes of it-especially against Dartmouth last week. So it's a little incomprehensible when they let the mental part of the game get in the way of how they really need to play and win. However, I do understand that when you let something get in your head it can be very hard to shake it-opponents scoring goals seems to do terrible things to our guys, and instead of making them double their efforts, it causes them to play more timidly from fear of screwing up. I think Appert sees that this is one of our biggest problems, but he's at a loss as to how to fix it. Unfortunately, with this coaching can only go so far, and it's up to individuals themselves to fix-like Higgs mentioned. I agree with FlagDUDE-after watching that interview I was convinced he'd end up with a letter in the near future.
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One thing I remember hearing the physical education teacher (and softball coach) do back where I grew up is make the kids run the turf version of Herbies for apologizing. Of course, if we had a disciplinarian for a coach, the kids would probably have traveled back to Troy on foot. And yes, in sub-zero temperatures (if it did get that cold out there; I saw the dash this morning here). The only thing that's going to keep these kids from playing timid is confidence. It's tough to teach, and requires a huge commitment from the student.
 
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AspyDad said:
I will finish your sentence for you... our great coach. I don't make it my practice to come on here and trash 20 yr old kids but there are several players in leadership roles that need to look themselves in the mirror. One player got in the unnecessary scrum that almost led to penatlies in the 1st and got kicked out of the faceoff circle several times after. He needs to lead by example for the underclassmen. There is a responsiblity from one of the older players in the D-Corps to set the tone for the guys on the blue line by not taking unncessary penalties like he has been taking all year. I don't see coach walking away from this season...I see someone soul searching and trying to figure it out. Has he made mistakes, surely..losing is a team concept but he has admitted them.

BTW - Both of the players I talk about have contributed greatly to the program and on the little interaction I have had with them been fine young men.
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So the players need to look in the mirror, and the coach has mades mistakes, but because he has admitted to making mistakes, he gets a pass. OK then. All the players need to do is take responsiblilty for making the mistakes they make and everything will be fine and onto the next game. LGR!
 
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sk8tronthepond said:
So the players need to look in the mirror, and the coach has mades mistakes, but because he has admitted to making mistakes, he gets a pass. OK then. All the players need to do is take responsiblilty for making the mistakes they make and everything will be fine and onto the next game. LGR!
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As you would say ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz or whatever you say to demean a post you don't like. You're right, our great coach stinks, let's fire him. Let's forget about the 17 wins, 19 wins, 20 win season of the last three years (RB please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm on a rant). If I'm a kool aid drinker for coach than you're the greastest critic of all time. I happen to think he's a classy guy, who brings in quality kids and does it the right way. BTW - the "our great coach" was invented by me for all the Appert haters of the world to get under their skin (Seems to have worked in your case, btw-there are three stools at the end of the bar at the Knotty Pine reserved for you guys to pine away for the Fridge era)...and what the hell does LGR mean.
 
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AspyDad said:
As you would say ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz or whatever you say to demean a post you don't like. You're right, our great coach stinks, let's fire him. Let's forget about the 17 wins, 19 wins, 20 win season of the last three years (RB please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm on a rant). If I'm a kool aid drinker for coach than you're the greastest critic of all time. I happen to think he's a classy guy, who brings in quality kids and does it the right way. BTW - the "our great coach" was invented by me for all the Appert haters of the world (I'm assuming you're one, there are three stools at the end of the bar at the Knotty Pine reserved for you guys to pine away for the Fridge era)...and what the hell does LGR mean.
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For the initials, as a hint, that ivy state school to the south (and very slightly west) of me also says it. ;) And although I eat at the Notty, I don't pine for the Fridgen days. He didn't bring a winning season that I witnessed. All I saw him do was kick the penalty box board and have to be restrained by his own players after Hansen disallowed a legal goal that clearly went in and caused our team to lose by 1.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
For the initials, as a hint, that ivy state school to the south (and very slightly west) of me also says it. ;) And although I eat at the Notty, I don't pine for the Fridgen days. He didn't bring a winning season that I witnessed. All I saw him do was kick the penalty box board and have to be restrained by his own players after Hansen disallowed a legal goal that clearly went in and caused our team to lose by 1.
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Was I talking to you? :p
 
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AspyDad said:
You're right, our great coach stinks(I'm assuming you're one, there are three stools at the end of the bar at the Knotty Pine reserved for you guys to pine away for the Fridge era)...and what the hell does LGR mean.
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I did not say that coach stinks....by the way, you are contradicting yourself....great....stinks! As far as the Fridge era, I am not comparing eras whatsoever! As a matter of fact, they aren't even comparable at this point. I am not attacking "your great coach", a term you take credit for inventing without merit, as I think he has enough cards stacked against him than to become one. Those cards are the people (so called fans but really are critics) who sit in HFH game after game looking for words to become reality with the product on the ice. BTW, LGR means Left Go Right......rookie!
 
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sk8tronthepond said:
I did not say that coach stinks....by the way, you are contradicting yourself....great....stinks! As far as the Fridge era, I am not comparing eras whatsoever! As a matter of fact, they aren't even comparable at this point. I am not attacking "your great coach", a term you take credit for inventing without merit, as I think he has enough cards stacked against him than to become one. Those cards are the people (so called fans but really are critics) who sit in HFH game after game looking for words to become reality with the product on the ice. BTW, LGR means Left Go Right......rookie!
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Your last three posts are called passive aggresion. http://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/passive-aggression

You're wrong I did invent "our great coach" and also beer pong in the early 80's (troyboy will vouch for this..should have gotten a patent).
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
For the initials, as a hint, that ivy state school to the south (and very slightly west) of me also says it. ;) And although I eat at the Notty, I don't pine for the Fridgen days. He didn't bring a winning season that I witnessed. All I saw him do was kick the penalty box board and have to be restrained by his own players after Hansen disallowed a legal goal that clearly went in and caused our team to lose by 1.
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I wouldn't pick on on Fridge, he didn't have a renovated HFH, or an East Campus athletic facility to recruit from. The administration is helping Seth recruit by lowering the academic standards that Fridgen had to deal with. I believe they have allocated more money for the assistant coaches and their recruiting budget is significantly larger. So if you want to compare one to the other........ put that footnote in
 
Beman said:
I wouldn't pick on on Fridge, he didn't have a renovated HFH, or an East Campus athletic facility to recruit from. The administration is helping Seth recruit by lowering the academic standards that Fridgen had to deal with. I believe they have allocated more money for the assistant coaches and their recruiting budget is significantly larger. So if you want to compare one to the other........ put that footnote in
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I believe most of what you mentioned is public information, but do you have evidence that the 'tute has lowered admission standards?
One factor I have not seen mentioned here is the loss of Jim Montgomery. He is an experienced coach with established contacts and credentials. I think the loss of key assistants was a big part of the reason for Fridgen's slide as well.
 
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Jasma said:
I believe most of what you mentioned is public information, but do you have evidence that the 'tute has lowered admission standards?
One factor I have not seen mentioned here is the loss of Jim Montgomery. He is an experienced coach with established contacts and credentials. I think the loss of key assistants was a big part of the reason for Fridgen's slide as well.
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Except wasn't Monty hired when Appert came in? If I remember correctly, Jeff Matthews and the other assistant coach were dismissed when Fridgen left.

If anything, I'd think admission standards have risen, given the 'tute isn't primarily recruiting in the Northeast anymore.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Except wasn't Monty hired when Appert came in? If I remember correctly, Jeff Matthews and the other assistant coach were dismissed when Fridgen left.
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You may have missed Jasma's point.
 
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Jasma said:
I believe most of what you mentioned is public information, but do you have evidence that the 'tute has lowered admission standards?
One factor I have not seen mentioned here is the loss of Jim Montgomery. He is an experienced coach with established contacts and credentials. I think the loss of key assistants was a big part of the reason for Fridgen's slide as well.
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I agree that Monty was a big loss. I also am not convinced that admission standards have changed recently.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
I agree that Monty was a big loss. I also am not convinced that admission standards have changed recently.
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This. He was our Northeast connection. And if winning a USHL championship in the first year as head coach with an expansion (or did they move?) team isn't evident enough of how good he is, I don't know what is. No wonder the "repetitive whiners" on this forum added to their "Fire Timmy" chant with "Hire Jimmy".
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
This. He was our Northeast connection. And if winning a USHL championship in the first year as head coach with an expansion (or did they move?) team isn't evident enough of how good he is, I don't know what is. No wonder the "repetitive whiners" on this forum added to their "Fire Timmy" chant with "Hire Jimmy".
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They were an expansion franchise, however they got a sweet deal in being allowed to get several extra players. (However, we do know of one whom they ended up losing because of the limitation on the number of foreign players they could sign. I haven't checked up on him all year.)
 
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