RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

[turk181]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Problem with the engineer defensemen was that no one had a "heavy" shot. So it looked like "our guys" had all the time in the world, at the point, because the opposing forwards had no urgencey to cover them. The forwards would "sluff in" and cover the pass. If you have a d man with a quick hard shot it changes everything. But as you say ECAC defensemen....

all true....just having that guy with a "heavy" shot will cause defenses to automatically come out and not sit back which creates space in front of the net allowing the Malchucks to work...of course this all works perfectly on paper

 

[engineerhockeyfan]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Problem with the engineer defensemen was that no one had a "heavy" shot. So it looked like "our guys" had all the time in the world, at the point, because the opposing forwards had no urgencey to cover them. The forwards would "sluff in" and cover the pass. If you have a d man with a quick hard shot it changes everything. But as you say ECAC defensemen....

I am not buying the "heavy shot" theory. Defense on the Penalty kill is now geared for taking away the passing lanes. No one attacks the points anymore, so it seems like they have a lot of time. Problem is, they have nowhere to go with the puck.
The answer is quick puck movement and having a player stationed in front of the net to tip shots from the point when they present themselves.
All of those guys with hard shots from the point are getting them blocked and turned back into offensive plays by the defense.
We are still talking about offense, when we have all the offense we need.
Defense will be the key to this season. How do we stop the opponents? That will be the question.
Our power play with the people we have, will take care of itself.

 

[DrDemento]

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Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

I am not buying the "heavy shot" theory. Defense on the Penalty kill is now geared for taking away the passing lanes. No one attacks the points anymore, so it seems like they have a lot of time. Problem is, they have nowhere to go with the puck.
The answer is quick puck movement and having a player stationed in front of the net to tip shots from the point when they present themselves.
All of those guys with hard shots from the point are getting them blocked and turned back into offensive plays by the defense.
We are still talking about offense, when we have all the offense we need.
Defense will be the key to this season. How do we stop the opponents? That will be the question.
Our power play with the people we have, will take care of itself.

Very well stated! Defense will indeed be the key.

 

[burgie12]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

The 2012 Regional sites were announced. Does anyone in the know know why we did not submit / receive a bid?

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

I don't know, but maybe they did and lost. Also, maybe the arena wasn't interested.

Maybe they decided that having the arena locally has been bad luck.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

I am not buying the "heavy shot" theory. Defense on the Penalty kill is now geared for taking away the passing lanes. No one attacks the points anymore, so it seems like they have a lot of time. Problem is, they have nowhere to go with the puck.
The answer is quick puck movement and having a player stationed in front of the net to tip shots from the point when they present themselves.
All of those guys with hard shots from the point are getting them blocked and turned back into offensive plays by the defense.
We are still talking about offense, when we have all the offense we need.
Defense will be the key to this season. How do we stop the opponents? That will be the question.
Our power play with the people we have, will take care of itself.

Actually we're talking about the PP, because someone brought it up. If we want to be an elite team our PP needs to improve, as does our defense as you correctly pointed out. A team that does not have at least the threat of a "heavy shot" is an easier team defend against on the PK. If we have that threat, teams have to pay attention to the point, opening up ice for the likes of Jerry, Pirri and Chase to get looks/shots.

Cornell has consistently been one of the league's best special teams squads, and as a result has been at or near the top. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

The 2012 Regional sites were announced. Does anyone in the know know why we did not submit / receive a bid?

To my knowledge, the TUC has actively pursued every opportunity to bid on regionals...(they hosted last Spring). Regardless of what folks think of hockey events held at the TUC, the GM there Belber, does an outstanding job of booking the building.

Its anyone's guess as to why one site is chosen over another.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Actually we're talking about the PP, because someone brought it up. If we want to be an elite team our PP needs to improve, as does our defense as you correctly pointed out. A team that does not have at least the threat of a "heavy shot" is an easier team defend against on the PK. If we have that threat, teams have to pay attention to the point, opening up ice for the likes of Jerry, Pirri and Chase to get looks/shots.

Cornell has consistently been one of the league's best special teams squads, and as a result has been at or near the top. Coincidence? I think not.

And a heavy shot keeps the band on its toes as Gerry Beauclair proved.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Problem with the engineer defensemen was that no one had a "heavy" shot. So it looked like "our guys" had all the time in the world, at the point, because the opposing forwards had no urgencey to cover them. The forwards would "sluff in" and cover the pass. If you have a d man with a quick hard shot it changes everything. But as you say ECAC defensemen....

A quick release is as important as heavy shot (I can speak to this as a former goalie) The element of surprise is often what is lacking from our PP shots...the pucks that we have mindlessly shot into defenders shin pads have been, for the most, part due to our inability to rip off quick shots, giving the PK defender time to slide into blocking position.

Puck movement AND quick releases lead to shots/rebounds/goals, IMO

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

And a heavy shot keeps the band on its toes as Gerry Beauclair proved.

True. Anyone know if raising the band platform will be completed during this round of renovations? I hope so. Seems like an easy and necessary fix...so it probably won't happen.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

(I can speak to this as a former goalie)

Learn something new every day. With a handle as "Wicked Slappaahs," I would not have thought that you played goal.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Learn something new every day. With a handle as "Wicked Slappaahs," I would not have thought that you played goal.

Let's just say I 've earned a respect for the shot...

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

And a heavy shot keeps the band on its toes as Gerry Beauclair proved.

There's a net now.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

True. Anyone know if raising the band platform will be completed during this round of renovations? I hope so. Seems like an easy and necessary fix...so it probably won't happen.

I'm not sure as to how easy it would be. That stage is already a little rickety as it is. However, it might make concerts at HFH a little more enjoyable if it were further up. I'm sure one of the considerations is how people would be able to actually get up there, as the stairs as they are already extend halfway across the corner. Not to mention, are you going to build an underneath cubicle for the goal judge?

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

I'm not sure as to how easy it would be. That stage is already a little rickety as it is. However, it might make concerts at HFH a little more enjoyable if it were further up. I'm sure one of the considerations is how people would be able to actually get up there, as the stairs as they are already extend halfway across the corner. Not to mention, are you going to build an underneath cubicle for the goal judge?

I meant that in the grand scheme of architecture & construction performed on campus, it ain't all that tough, nor does it need to be expensive.

Considering the awful work from our goal judges of late (quickly turning on the green for our opponents, failing to see or acknowledge RPI goals) I'm willing to let the band inform me of their judgment.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

I meant that in the grand scheme of architecture & construction performed on campus, it ain't all that tough, nor does it need to be expensive.

Considering the awful work from our goal judges of late (quickly turning on the green for our opponents, failing to see or acknowledge RPI goals) I'm willing to let the band inform me of their judgment.

We're talking probably the height of the glass being at waist height or so. Given an average band member's height of 5'6-5'7, subract maybe 2.5 feet for waist height, and the stage would have to be 9 feet above the ice (add a couple inches from the concrete), as dimensions for the walls from ice to top of the glass, at least according to NHL rules, is a little less than 12 feet. Let's also consider getting equipment up and down from there. Walkway is maybe 2-3 feet above the ice, but that would require coming in from behind the curtain.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

We're talking probably the height of the glass being at waist height or so. Given an average band member's height of 5'6-5'7, subract maybe 2.5 feet for waist height, and the stage would have to be 9 feet above the ice (add a couple inches from the concrete), as dimensions for the walls from ice to top of the glass, at least according to NHL rules, is a little less than 12 feet. Let's also consider getting equipment up and down from there. Walkway is maybe 2-3 feet above the ice, but that would require coming in from behind the curtain.

Are we really gonna discuss the difficulty of a 19 or 20 year old's ability to carry a saxophone or a trumpet up a flight of stairs? Sure the tubas and drummers will have to work together -- what a concept -it'll be a team building exercise. Equipment?? Did I miss something?? Did the band go electric , adding a wall of amps and sound mixing to their repertoire?? A light show perhaps? Smoke?

We're talking about a set of new off-the shelf concert staging serviced by a flight of stairs - likely with a landing/switchback. Call me crazy, I think most second semester Arch. majors at the 'tute could handle this on the back of a napkin at the Notty... But what do I know...I guess the band will remain in oblivion behind the glass.

 

[DrDemento]

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Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Are we really gonna discuss the difficulty of a 19 or 20 year old's ability to carry a saxophone or a trumpet up a flight of stairs? Sure the tubas and drummers will have to work together -- what a concept -it'll be a team building exercise. Equipment?? Did I miss something?? Did the band go electric , adding a wall of amps and sound mixing to their repertoire?? A light show perhaps? Smoke?

We're talking about a set of new off-the shelf concert staging serviced by a flight of stairs - likely with a landing/switchback. Call me crazy, I think most second semester Arch. majors at the 'tute could handle this on the back of a napkin at the Notty... But what do I know...I guess the band will remain in oblivion behind the glass.

I am constantly amazed by the twists and turns of the RPI hockey threads-we seem to discuss some of the most unusual things here. i learn something new almost every day.

 

[GreatLakerMohawk]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

The 2012 Regional sites were announced. Does anyone in the know know why we did not submit / receive a bid?

Ken Schott mentioned on Twitter that the TUC is now hosting the high school basketball championships from 2011-2013 (whereas it was in Glens Falls before) and those take place at the same time Regionals do.

 

[engineerhockeyfan]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

A quick release is as important as heavy shot (I can speak to this as a former goalie) The element of surprise is often what is lacking from our PP shots...the pucks that we have mindlessly shot into defenders shin pads have been, for the most, part due to our inability to rip off quick shots, giving the PK defender time to slide into blocking position.

Puck movement AND quick releases lead to shots/rebounds/goals, IMO

That is exactly what I have been trying to say.