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RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

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Ralph Baer said:
From the other thread.
Monty designed powerplays don't work? :confused:
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Ralph: You may have hit the nail on the head. Special teams play is a system and for some teams and it seems every year it works and they are near the top of the statistics. For others it does not seem to work and they are either average or below. This seems to happen regardless of the players involved. Some teams change personel and the special teams remain top notch. We fix this somehow at RPI and we become a top tier team. BTW, I have no clue how to fix it.:confused:
 
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pensfan08 said:
I wasn't saying specifically that the ECAC would fold, but rather depending on how many teams are poached and from where by the CCHA then as leagues try to get back to the magic 12 teams that conferences seem to strive for, it seems that only 1 of the 2 can survive. At that point it leaves QU, Union, and RPI as the 3 easternmost non-Ivy schools to fight for 2 possible HE spaces, of course they could just as likely pick up one or two of the New England AHA teams. As to which league survives, it seems like AHA with its scholarship limits would be ideal for the Ivys since they don't give "athletic" scholarships (some athletes are apparently much better scholars than their high school grades imply).
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After a little bit of time of thinking about it, assuming BTHC comes to fruition and the ivies were to break off, I would not be surprised if the teams that were wanted to join Hockey East would be UCONN and Quinnipiac. I realize that UCONN isn't all that good, but there may still be feelings about the whole Big East mentality. If that were to happen, I would not be surprised if the remaining ECAC tried to gobble up RIT, Niagara, Canisius, and MAYBE West Point and make an empire league. The only concern I would see is if a certain D-III school which we won't mention will get on their high horse again because the majority of a D-I hockey league is made up of D-III schools (5 out of 9). WCHA I don't see going past 10 teams (granted I don't know who was the driving force behind that whole 10 team mentality), and I wouldn't be surprised if, for budgetary reasons, the CCHA kept 10 teams and a small amount of NC games similar to WCHA. Therefore, the only league I would really see to be in trouble would Atlantic, as, assuming the teams I mentioned move and Mercyhurst/Robert Morris were to get into CCHA, would be AIC/Bentley/Holy Cross/Sacred Heart/Air Force/Alabama-Huntsville.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
From the other thread.
Monty designed powerplays don't work? :confused:
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I think where it comes in is that the players don't have 100% confidence to not control the puck over the line (saw a lot of dump-and-chase), but some being cute with the puck around the perimeter rather than right away throwing it at the net while there's a little bit of a shooting lane still open. It really shouldn't be THAT big of a slight because his team is 10-3-2 in their play. However, the power play had shadows of what I've seen in previous years. It could also be worry that, because he plays 4-1, a bad blocked shot may result in an odd-man rush for a shorty. I'm not a coach so I don't how you would teach confidence, but that may be the issue. Why did Pirri guarantee a 15% power play? He has confidence with the puck and, to quote realet on one of his color calls last year during a special teams situation (although 4-on-4), "controlled the puck like it was on a string". Even now, we see a player like Chase Polacek getting a whole bunch of chances by just getting it towards the net and looking for a rebound off a pad if not the one-timer.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
After a little bit of time of thinking about it, assuming BTHC comes to fruition and the ivies were to break off, I would not be surprised if the teams that were wanted to join Hockey East would be UCONN and Quinnipiac. I realize that UCONN isn't all that good, but there may still be feelings about the whole Big East mentality. If that were to happen, I would not be surprised if the remaining ECAC tried to gobble up RIT, Niagara, Canisius, and MAYBE West Point and make an empire league. The only concern I would see is if a certain D-III school which we won't mention will get on their high horse again because the majority of a D-I hockey league is made up of D-III schools (5 out of 9). WCHA I don't see going past 10 teams (granted I don't know who was the driving force behind that whole 10 team mentality), and I wouldn't be surprised if, for budgetary reasons, the CCHA kept 10 teams and a small amount of NC games similar to WCHA. Therefore, the only league I would really see to be in trouble would Atlantic, as, assuming the teams I mentioned move and Mercyhurst/Robert Morris were to get into CCHA, would be AIC/Bentley/Holy Cross/Sacred Heart/Air Force/Alabama-Huntsville.
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I don't think that certain D-III school would get on its high horse since they have a different president now.

I understand your logic behind UConn and QU joining HEA, but the HEA wouldn't want UConn unless they pay more attention to hockey.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
I think where it comes in is that the players don't have 100% confidence to not control the puck over the line (saw a lot of dump-and-chase), but some being cute with the puck around the perimeter rather than right away throwing it at the net while there's a little bit of a shooting lane still open. It really shouldn't be THAT big of a slight because his team is 10-3-2 in their play. However, the power play had shadows of what I've seen in previous years. It could also be worry that, because he plays 4-1, a bad blocked shot may result in an odd-man rush for a shorty. I'm not a coach so I don't how you would teach confidence, but that may be the issue. Why did Pirri guarantee a 15% power play? He has confidence with the puck and, to quote realet on one of his color calls last year during a special teams situation (although 4-on-4), "controlled the puck like it was on a string". Even now, we see a player like Chase Polacek getting a whole bunch of chances by just getting it towards the net and looking for a rebound off a pad if not the one-timer.
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FD08-Like your concentration on the special teams play. I have always felt it was what made the difference between a decent team and a very good team. Probably even more important now that the officials are calling more than they did back in my days. I am certainly no expert on what works but it seems to me any successful power play has to be fluid-has to change and adapt to what the defense is doing. We have firepower for the power play-we just have to figure out how to free up the main guys like Chase and Bailin to be in a position to take a clean shot with a little room. There aren't as many places in hockey to design specific plans up but the power play and short handed situations are ertainly 2 of those situations.
 
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DrDemento said:
Interesting weekend in ECAC hockey even though we did not play. It does not look like the road trip to central NY is the hardest road trip in ECAC hockey this year. Brown seemed to do quite well out there. I would doubt Cornell gets any votes this week in the USCHO poll. This is going to be quite an interesting year.
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Wonder when Cornell and Colgate were last both swept at home...you don't see those two teams take the double-dip in their own barns too often.

Hopefully RPI can break that Starr Rink "curse" they've had...haven't won there in 10 years, if memory serves. They've had considerably better luck at Lynah.
 
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DrDemento said:
FD08-Like your concentration on the special teams play. I have always felt it was what made the difference between a decent team and a very good team. Probably even more important now that the officials are calling more than they did back in my days. I am certainly no expert on what works but it seems to me any successful power play has to be fluid-has to change and adapt to what the defense is doing. We have firepower for the power play-we just have to figure out how to free up the main guys like Chase and Bailin to be in a position to take a clean shot with a little room. There aren't as many places in hockey to design specific plans up but the power play and short handed situations are ertainly 2 of those situations.
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The other thing that RPI definitely needs to work on is accuracy from the point shots. We have some good hard shots from the top; but too often they go wide, when we get them on net it either seems to go in or give a nice juicy rebound. Overall it's definitely better than a few years ago where some of us joked about declining the powerplay.
 
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Is this what Monty meant?
Power plays are designed to move the puck usually starting on the outside. They are not designed specifically to give a particular player a shot. By moving the puck you cause the defense to move, hopefully out of position, creating passing and shooting lanes.
The result of a power play (good or bad) is usually a result of how the defense reacts to puck movement.
I know that most fans are frustrated with a power play that doesn’t produce a lot of shots, but a good power play is a patient power play. The more you move the puck the better chance you have to get the defense to move and open lanes.
 
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I know it's early, and what's done is done, but for those who like to crunch numbers...

By changing the loss in Schenectady into a tie, RPI moves up in the PWR to 13th (from 16th) and Union drops from 12th down to 16th (out of the tournament).

And, looking ahead, facing BGSU (and winning) this weekend would be a great boost to the common opponents comparison (as I believe FD08 pointed out earlier).
 
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burgie12 said:
I know it's early, and what's done is done, but for those who like to crunch numbers...

By changing the loss in Schenectady into a tie, RPI moves up in the PWR to 13th (from 16th) and Union drops from 12th down to 16th (out of the tournament).

And, looking ahead, facing BGSU (and winning) this weekend would be a great boost to the common opponents comparison (as I believe FD08 pointed out earlier).
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Really good point about the Union game. I know many try to play these things down but every game counts somewhat (some more than others). I truly hate when we do not get a point that we ought to have had. I have seen this so many times over o many years-every so often that one little difference has made the difference in whether we would have made the NCAA tournament in the past. Frustrating.
 
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AspyDad said:
Bryan Hicks refeered the Q vs. Dartmouth game. This is an absolute disgrace that the ECAC doesn't give him a night off. No consequences from Mr. Stewart and Mr Hagwell.
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second that. It seems that there is some favoritism there.
 
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DrDemento said:
Really good point about the Union game. I know many try to play these things down but every game counts somewhat (some more than others). I truly hate when we do not get a point that we ought to have had. I have seen this so many times over o many years-every so often that one little difference has made the difference in whether we would have made the NCAA tournament in the past. Frustrating.
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10 years or so ago, we seemed to be in that position every year.
 
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Beman said:
Is this what Monty meant?
Power plays are designed to move the puck usually starting on the outside. They are not designed specifically to give a particular player a shot. By moving the puck you cause the defense to move, hopefully out of position, creating passing and shooting lanes.
The result of a power play (good or bad) is usually a result of how the defense reacts to puck movement.
I know that most fans are frustrated with a power play that doesn’t produce a lot of shots, but a good power play is a patient power play. The more you move the puck the better chance you have to get the defense to move and open lanes.
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...was listening to Jeremy Roenick, several wks. ago, talking about the PP. Movement, movement, movement...is what he kept stressing. Not only to open the lanes but to wear down the D-men. He showed 2 examples...one team with "beautiful perimeter passing" BUT the D-men hardly had to move...another w/fast tape-to-tape passing BUT...the offensive team moving with the D-men having to chase to catch up...you could see the defense tiring. Of course this accounts for %100 PP rate....on paper ;)
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
I think it's more a testament to Western Michigan tanking, but it's still nice to go a little higher in that regard.
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Yes and the next few teams who were behind us not doing greatly.
 
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AspyDad said:
I just saw the following on WaP/Twitter:

"RPI's 1.82 team goals against average is the top rated defense in the nation." Of course, WaP is the first source in everything RPI Hockey.
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The big test for that number will be in the next couple of weeks, especially against the team that skates circles around the WHCA. ;) [sic] If we can keep the number to around 2 GAA or lower, I'd say we have a pretty good shot at making some national noise. Heck, Dartmouth was pretty high flying against the North Country, and we limited them to 1.
 
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