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RPI 2009 - 2010 Part II: I Believe in Seth Appert
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Re: RPI 2009 - 2010 Part II: I Believe in Seth Appert
An intermission might work better.
An intermission might work better.
RedWrister
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Re: RPI 2009 - 2010 Part II: I Believe in Seth Appert
I was disappointed to see in Sunday’s TU that the coach was quoted as saying the five players on the ice for ‘gate’s fifth goal were “embarrassing”. I was also disappointed to see in Saturdays TU a quote from the coach to the effect that the Cornell goalie outplayed York. I didn’t like the Eizenman benching, the Ornelas benching or this year’s “puppy pooh” benchings. In addition to presenting the program in a poor light, I think singling out players in this manner is counter-productive in that it breaks the “us versus the world” attitude that is important for successful teams. I also don’t think public humiliation is a good motivator. Some may view these types of actions as being appropriately tough. Personally, if he has “puppy pooh” issues, I’d rather see him rant and rave in private or even skate them till their feet bleed.
I was disappointed to see in Sunday’s TU that the coach was quoted as saying the five players on the ice for ‘gate’s fifth goal were “embarrassing”. I was also disappointed to see in Saturdays TU a quote from the coach to the effect that the Cornell goalie outplayed York. I didn’t like the Eizenman benching, the Ornelas benching or this year’s “puppy pooh” benchings. In addition to presenting the program in a poor light, I think singling out players in this manner is counter-productive in that it breaks the “us versus the world” attitude that is important for successful teams. I also don’t think public humiliation is a good motivator. Some may view these types of actions as being appropriately tough. Personally, if he has “puppy pooh” issues, I’d rather see him rant and rave in private or even skate them till their feet bleed.
Re: RPI 2009 - 2010 Part II: I Believe in Seth Appert
well said wrister... welcome back ...read todays record...
well said wrister... welcome back ...read todays record...
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Oh, so you'd rather have players out there that aren't playing hard and aren't doing everything they can to help the team win? Appert has every right to say when the guys aren't playing well and it was an embarrassing effort; the guys know that, Appert knows that, and the fans know that. He is trying to get the team to play better and it certainly worked for both AAG & Cullen who have been playing fantastic hockey and now hes trying to get York and the rest of the team fired up. I'd rather have him saying the truth than sit there saying "great effort by both teams all night blah blah" typical Appert response. I like that hes starting to get ****ed off, it shows that he actually cares.
Re: RPI 2009 - 2010 Part II: I Believe in Seth Appert
No, he should keep his player specific comments private, man to man,or on the practice ice and if you do not know that instinctually kind sir, than you were not properly raised. This is not the NHL. These are kids playing a college sport they love not muti millionaire NHL studs who are paid well to take the hits. We all know coach cares.
We played like crap, I was not happy with MY defense, I thought MY offense did not give the FANS 100%, I am really upset with some of my players,are all viable options when a point needs to be made publically.
No, he should keep his player specific comments private, man to man,or on the practice ice and if you do not know that instinctually kind sir, than you were not properly raised. This is not the NHL. These are kids playing a college sport they love not muti millionaire NHL studs who are paid well to take the hits. We all know coach cares.
We played like crap, I was not happy with MY defense, I thought MY offense did not give the FANS 100%, I am really upset with some of my players,are all viable options when a point needs to be made publically.
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GRussinko
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Re: RPI 2009 - 2010 Part II: I Believe in Seth Appert
I'm pretty sure what we see in the papers already is the toned down version of what Appert thinks about the games. I wouldn't have wanted to be a fly on the locker room wall after Saturday's game. We can complain about the refs (I know I did) but I'd say a majority of Colgate's opportunities came directly off poor decisions or turnovers by our players. That to me isn't a game that Colgate won (like Friday vs. Cornell where we played well but still got beat) so much as one that our guys lost.
I'm not a fan of throwing individual players under the bus either, but sometimes the best way to get more out of players is to call them out when they don't perform. Do we really think that those of us on the board know better than Appert what does and doesn't motivate the players on his team? Of course this is kind of a loaded question in itself, because if Appert knew how to perfectly motivate everyone on the team we wouldn't see the type of game we saw on Saturday. I still have to believe that he knows better than we do, as he works with these guys every day.
All that said, I'll still be at HFH on Wednesday rooting for our guys against Union, and I'll be at Agganis on Friday for the BU game. This weekend wasn't a very good one but nobody should be writing the team off. These guys have plenty of talent to get the job done, they just need it all to click in the same game. If we can get some consistency where we see decent to good performances offensively, defensively, and in net, we can handle most any team out there. However if any one cog in the wheel isn't there on any given night, I think we'll see some similar outcomes to this weekend.
I'm seriously hoping Bergin can put the injury bug behind him and suit up soon, so we can see the team back at full strength for the first time in a couple months.
I'm pretty sure what we see in the papers already is the toned down version of what Appert thinks about the games. I wouldn't have wanted to be a fly on the locker room wall after Saturday's game. We can complain about the refs (I know I did) but I'd say a majority of Colgate's opportunities came directly off poor decisions or turnovers by our players. That to me isn't a game that Colgate won (like Friday vs. Cornell where we played well but still got beat) so much as one that our guys lost.
I'm not a fan of throwing individual players under the bus either, but sometimes the best way to get more out of players is to call them out when they don't perform. Do we really think that those of us on the board know better than Appert what does and doesn't motivate the players on his team? Of course this is kind of a loaded question in itself, because if Appert knew how to perfectly motivate everyone on the team we wouldn't see the type of game we saw on Saturday. I still have to believe that he knows better than we do, as he works with these guys every day.
All that said, I'll still be at HFH on Wednesday rooting for our guys against Union, and I'll be at Agganis on Friday for the BU game. This weekend wasn't a very good one but nobody should be writing the team off. These guys have plenty of talent to get the job done, they just need it all to click in the same game. If we can get some consistency where we see decent to good performances offensively, defensively, and in net, we can handle most any team out there. However if any one cog in the wheel isn't there on any given night, I think we'll see some similar outcomes to this weekend.
I'm seriously hoping Bergin can put the injury bug behind him and suit up soon, so we can see the team back at full strength for the first time in a couple months.
Re: RPI 2009 - 2010 Part II: I Believe in Seth Appert
he already did that, he blamed himself for the loss saying he didn't have the guys ready. They may be playing a college sport but they're getting scholarships and players like Pirri will probably play at a higher league, maybe even the NHL. I'm sure he was asked questions like "take me through what happened on the goal" and he gave a legitimate answer, will something like "my defense didn't play well on that play" have been satisfying? He just said the players on the ice didn't do well - he didn't point out who was on the ice. I'm sure he discussed it with the guys and whats said in the media should have no affect on them whatsoever, its so the fans can really get involved with the games and have a team they want to root for. Tell me whats not true about Scrivens outplaying York? When we don't make big saves I think Appert has a right to mention that and it was better than saying "York played like crap he couldn't make any saves"(which is true) - instead he was more complimenting Scrivens than anything who played a really good game
oh by the way, I blame our loss Saturday entirely on the pep band for playing Sweet Caroline - it's a new low in the already dwindling status of our pep band who can't even time their "Clarkson still sucks" with the rest of the student body
No, he should keep his player specific comments private, man to man,or on the practice ice and if you do not know that instinctually kind sir, than you were not properly raised.This is not the NHL. These are kids playing a college sport they love not muti millionaire NHL studs.
We played like crap, I was not happy with MY defense, I thought MY offense did not give the FANS 100%, are all viable options when a point needs to be made publically.
he already did that, he blamed himself for the loss saying he didn't have the guys ready. They may be playing a college sport but they're getting scholarships and players like Pirri will probably play at a higher league, maybe even the NHL. I'm sure he was asked questions like "take me through what happened on the goal" and he gave a legitimate answer, will something like "my defense didn't play well on that play" have been satisfying? He just said the players on the ice didn't do well - he didn't point out who was on the ice. I'm sure he discussed it with the guys and whats said in the media should have no affect on them whatsoever, its so the fans can really get involved with the games and have a team they want to root for. Tell me whats not true about Scrivens outplaying York? When we don't make big saves I think Appert has a right to mention that and it was better than saying "York played like crap he couldn't make any saves"(which is true) - instead he was more complimenting Scrivens than anything who played a really good game
oh by the way, I blame our loss Saturday entirely on the pep band for playing Sweet Caroline - it's a new low in the already dwindling status of our pep band who can't even time their "Clarkson still sucks" with the rest of the student body
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We disagree, i am obviously old school. You are entitled to your opinion under the first amendment . Should you take the time to read the last four years of articles you would find plenty of players names under the bus in them. Along with some other related laundry like cuts and disciplinary actions that should never hit the papers. Some coaches do it, the vast majority do not.The loss was as much about Colgates game plan, Reds failure to counter and the matchups on the ice as it was about mistakes made by individual players. The scouting reports on RPI are beginning to look like they were written by the same person. I know the coach cares.I do not like it whe he does it just as i did not like it when the previous four coaches did it (with much less frequency) We disagree,I am sure we will both sleep well tonight anyway.Thanks for the exchange.
We disagree, i am obviously old school. You are entitled to your opinion under the first amendment . Should you take the time to read the last four years of articles you would find plenty of players names under the bus in them. Along with some other related laundry like cuts and disciplinary actions that should never hit the papers. Some coaches do it, the vast majority do not.The loss was as much about Colgates game plan, Reds failure to counter and the matchups on the ice as it was about mistakes made by individual players. The scouting reports on RPI are beginning to look like they were written by the same person. I know the coach cares.I do not like it whe he does it just as i did not like it when the previous four coaches did it (with much less frequency) We disagree,I am sure we will both sleep well tonight anyway.Thanks for the exchange.
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Re: RPI 2009 - 2010 Part II: I Believe in Seth Appert
I'm not participating in that contest so...I didn't pick anyone.
Also blocker, I agree that Appert has thrown people under the bus before and I definitely remember times where he has basically said "all my current players suck I can't wait until they're gone" and those were definitely uncalled for and quite frankly excuses for him not doing a good job coaching them - he was trying to teach them a style they couldn't play well and there was no way it would work.
However, I felt that all these recent comments were fair and true which is why I really don't have a problem with them. I also definitely do not have any problem at all with benching players, especially when the other guys that don't get to play are working so hard - why shouldn't they get a chance? I guess we can agree to disagree but sort of agree at the same time
On another note, is anyone else surprised that Smith isn't playing? I think he plays better than Vassel and as much as I like Halpern - I think i'd still rather have Smith out there. It's no coincidence that we've lost the past couple games he hasn't been in?
Ahem...I was the ONLY one on the ECAC predictions to pick Brown over Quinny. I promise not to hurt myself from patting myself on the back too hard!
But the rest of my picks were....quite ordinary!
I'm not participating in that contest so...I didn't pick anyone.
Also blocker, I agree that Appert has thrown people under the bus before and I definitely remember times where he has basically said "all my current players suck I can't wait until they're gone" and those were definitely uncalled for and quite frankly excuses for him not doing a good job coaching them - he was trying to teach them a style they couldn't play well and there was no way it would work.
However, I felt that all these recent comments were fair and true which is why I really don't have a problem with them. I also definitely do not have any problem at all with benching players, especially when the other guys that don't get to play are working so hard - why shouldn't they get a chance? I guess we can agree to disagree but sort of agree at the same time
On another note, is anyone else surprised that Smith isn't playing? I think he plays better than Vassel and as much as I like Halpern - I think i'd still rather have Smith out there. It's no coincidence that we've lost the past couple games he hasn't been in?
Ralph Baer
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Re: RPI 2009 - 2010 Part II: I Believe in Seth Appert
I agree that Smith is better than Vassel, but although he also is better than Halpern, they perform different roles.
miker
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In reference to...
http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/2009/12/06/sports/doc4b1b49fb682c0920001360.txt
In reference to...
http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/2009/12/06/sports/doc4b1b49fb682c0920001360.txt
Re: RPI 2009 - 2010 Part II: I Believe in Seth Appert
Seems to me the way the article is written Weaver added the names. I don't believe in calling out it should be between the coach and the players. This team had a ton of confidence when the season started and have fought back in most games that they were down. Teams lose games. I predict wins against Union and BU. This team has a ton of talent and they want to win. Scholarships or not they are doing this because they love the game. Give them some space!!
Seems to me the way the article is written Weaver added the names. I don't believe in calling out it should be between the coach and the players. This team had a ton of confidence when the season started and have fought back in most games that they were down. Teams lose games. I predict wins against Union and BU. This team has a ton of talent and they want to win. Scholarships or not they are doing this because they love the game. Give them some space!!
Ralph Baer
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Re: RPI 2009 - 2010 Part II: I Believe in Seth Appert
As a distraction from the current debate, our former AD ended up in an interesting situation in his new position out at Colorado College, relating to an off-mic comment accidentally broadcasted on B2...
http://letsgodu.blogspot.com/2009/12/cc-radio-announcer-insults-ads-alma.html
As a distraction from the current debate, our former AD ended up in an interesting situation in his new position out at Colorado College, relating to an off-mic comment accidentally broadcasted on B2...
http://letsgodu.blogspot.com/2009/12/cc-radio-announcer-insults-ads-alma.html
Re: RPI 2009 - 2010 Part II: I Believe in Seth Appert
News Flash. I think he means the second coming of Christ.
News Flash. I think he means the second coming of Christ.
Re: RPI 2009 - 2010 Part II: I Believe in Seth Appert
At "Skate with the Engineers" on Saturday after the game, the entire team was skating, except for CJ Lee. He sat on the bench the entire time wearing sweatpants. Bergin was skating around, having a good time and laughing with Pirri. Any day now...
At "Skate with the Engineers" on Saturday after the game, the entire team was skating, except for CJ Lee. He sat on the bench the entire time wearing sweatpants. Bergin was skating around, having a good time and laughing with Pirri. Any day now...
Ralph Baer
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Re: RPI 2009 - 2010 Part II: I Believe in Seth Appert
The concussion wouldn't necessarily affect his skating in the SwtE even if he hasn't been cleared to play in a game.
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Re: RPI 2009 - 2010 Part II: I Believe in Seth Appert
Doesn't the "Without a peer" weekend recap come out on Mondays?
Doesn't the "Without a peer" weekend recap come out on Mondays?
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