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RPI 2009 - 2010 Part II: I Believe in Seth Appert

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I saw Pirri's miss at the open net on the local TV news and he seemed to buckle at the knees not believing he missed a wide open goal. That had to be a bitter pill to swallow, but I'm sure he's already put it out of his mind. I hope D'Amigo didn't come back too soon but I assume he was OK or there would have been more discussion of him above. Anyway, Union handled Colgate (sort of) on less than their best last night. If you guys bring your A game this afternoon, it should be a W.

Believe me, that was one of the worst games Colgate has played all year in every aspect.
 
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Ladies & Gentleman make no mistake about it WE HAVE A GOALIE PROBLEM !

The turnovers must have also been York's fault. Tell ya what, let's play 2-on-1 hockey sometime. Me and a buddy attacking, you in goal. Let's see how you fare.
 
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FlagDUDE08,

In case you didn't see my post on the scores thread, thanks for posting after goals were scored in my absence. I liked the fact that you capitalized the name of the goal scorer. I may start doing it too.
 
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Doing the obvious here-pointing out that this team has hit a real snag. We are 1-5 in the last six games(and this stretch includes 4 games at home). We have one chance to put the wheels back on the cart this wednesday with a big victory over a very good Union team at home. If we do it, then we righted the ship. If we don't, then maybe some of the alarms being sounded are not as far fetched.
 
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We do not have a goalie problem. We do have a defensive zone coverage problem.
That was the worst defensive zone coverage I have ever seen.
The first period, we let Colgate run all over us. The third period, we stopped playing defense all together. The second period, we played in the Colgate defensive zone, so we did not have to play defense.
This team does not know how to win. They do not know how to take advantage of mementum shifts, and they are confused in the defensive zone.
The goal in the first period should have changed the momentum, but it didn't.
Getting the score back to even after being down by two should have turned the tide, but it didn't.
But I think the biggest problem yesterday was Appert losing focus when the referees were being totally ridiculous. He had every right to be upset, but he carried on for a period and a half. Not good.
The refs were bad, but WE lost the game in the defensive zone.
We have the talent, but we have to learn how to win games.
Every year we start out pretty good, then we fold in December.
We had better win on Wednesday, or this could turn into last year all over again. :( :mad: :eek:
 
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It's what I've been saying all along - Mike Bergin is the single player on this team (with the possible exception of Allen York, due to the lack of depth that every team has at goaltender) whose absence is missed the most. His current absence is missed even more than if Chase Polacek were out. No question.

ehf, with all due respect, saying that this team does not know how to win is a joke. Let's not be so obtuse as to disregard what this team was doing three weeks ago. I don't care how bad they might be, you don't go to Potsdam and win by three if your ream "doesn't know how to win."
 
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Man, the bedwetter Bat-signal is out in full effect if you're here making a mountain out of a molehill.

So, uh, I guess Allen York was the problem against Cornell too, right?

Take a walk back to the gutter you were hiding in before.
Well at least you proved one thing your good at guessing.
 
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FlagDUDE08,

In case you didn't see my post on the scores thread, thanks for posting after goals were scored in my absence. I liked the fact that you capitalized the name of the goal scorer. I may start doing it too.

It's a staple of RPI hockey threads; someone's gotta do it when you're not around. ;) I actually didn't capitalize Malchuk's name. I gave my standard cheer for Patrick Cullen, and the capital letters just stuck for Tyler.
 
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Well at least you proved one thing your good at guessing.

So... being down a player AND having a defenseman without a stick is the goalie's fault, and a 2-on-1 is also the goalie's fault.

Brilliant. Hooray for bedwetting townies.
 
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I'll start by stating that I DID NOT SEE THE GAME ON SATURDAY. But, EHF needs a chill pill, especially with the team hitting a rough patch with injuries and ranked opponents.
We do not have a goalie problem. We do have a defensive zone coverage problem.
That was the worst defensive zone coverage I have ever seen.
Maybe it was Colgate's forecheck that gave the D some fits. McIntryre and Smith are two of the premier forwards in the league at this moment. They can cause all sorts of problems, especially more visible when you have your goalie struggling a tad. If Allan made more key saves and the forwards won more puck battles, then the D would have been 'forgiven' their sins. Remember, it's a team sport.

This team does not know how to win.
This one had me chuckling. When RPI beat UNH, Union, or Yale, never a word was spoken about knowing how to win. Hockey 'sense' has been ingrained into these boys since they probably first laced up the skates. And Appert and his crew certaining have enjoyed success over the years before their stint at the Tute so I can't understand for the life of me how they don't know how to win. If anything, the lessons of 'learning on how to not lose' are the most difficult and that comes with experience, something this team is just getting. I'd love to believe that they learn exceptionally fast and their overall skill can minimize some the lumps that these 'lessons' bring...some nights it will, others not. EFH is not one of the now famous 'bedwetters' so I'll have to give him a pass this time.

But I think the biggest problem yesterday was Appert losing focus when the referees were being totally ridiculous. He had every right to be upset, but he carried on for a period and a half. Not good.
If he was Mike Schafer, he'd be a genius for 'riding the refs'. I can't believe for one second that Seth lost sight of the primary goal...the game. Working the refs is something that has to be done from time to time.

Every year we start out pretty good, then we fold in December.
This is not 'EVERY YEAR'. I wouldn't call 2 losses in December to the #9 team in the country and to a talented Colgate team 'folding'. December can be a tough month on teams...injuries, school requirements, fatigue from a heavy practice/game load take their toll on a team, especially one as young as RPI.

We had better win on Wednesday, or this could turn into last year all over again.
This is NOT a must game! I don't mean to discount the game's importance and a win over U has benefits on many many levels. But it is important that the team plays to its skill and maybe get some puck luck that it didn't get over the weekend. A strong effort is needed and if things go to plan, a win will be the result. I predicted a RPI win over U and I still stand by it, regardless of the weekend results. It has the potential to be a great game...
 
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The turnovers must have also been York's fault. Tell ya what, let's play 2-on-1 hockey sometime. Me and a buddy attacking, you in goal. Let's see how you fare.
Everyone here should take a pill.I'm not saying York is a lousy goaltender what I am saying is He's playing lousy.Anyone whom watches these games in person with any objectivity has to see that overall he is very shaky.Even when he makes saves for the most part it is an adventure.I believe there is a book out there now on AY that reads shoot high because he doesn't handle high shoots...and crash the net because he almost always leaves some kind of rebound.He needs to address those issues FAST. For the most part I believe the D corps has played better I think they need to get even better, but I believe we have a size issue and Bergins return will help because as other posters have noted He is the straw that stirs that drink.I believe on both Fri. and Sat. we had as many or more Grade A scoring chances than the other team but their goalies answered the calls ie: on both nights Pirri's goal mouth chances the goalie made the save. On Fri. Pirri had to try to draw the puck back to lift it because it was against Scrivens pad and Sat.His shot hit the goalies paddle.Where both goalies lucky....Yea....but they where in good position to make their own luck and my contention is that AY needs to start making some of his own luck!! Thats all I'm saying.
 
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I'll start by stating that I DID NOT SEE THE GAME ON SATURDAY. But, EHF needs a chill pill, especially with the team hitting a rough patch with injuries and ranked opponents.

This is not 'EVERY YEAR'. I wouldn't call 2 losses in December to the #9 team in the country and to a talented Colgate team 'folding'. December can be a tough month on teams...injuries, school requirements, fatigue from a heavy practice/game load take their toll on a team, especially one as young as RPI.

EHF might be thinking of losses to teams like Army and Niagara, and OT or one goal wins against Sacred Heart and AIC. With the kind of talent RPI has, 'Tute ought to beat those opponents comfortably.

As for right now, I don't think the recent skid is a question of hockey sense. I think, as SA himself as pointed out, that this team is still learning how to put together a complete 60 min game. They came close Fri against Cornell and in my opinion, lost to a team that was clearly better talent-wise. But there was no excuse for the first period against Colgate, where they were dominated in every facet of the game for the full period. Bottom line: there are some good periods and bad periods; some good games and bad games. Hopefully they're work on creating more of the "good games" where they put in a solid effort for the full 60. That's going to be a key for this season, IMHO.

This is not a goaltending problem IMHO. York's numbers are still very, very solid. Both nights he made some grade-A saves on point-blank shots. Both nights he kept the team in the game every step of the way. That's really all you can ask. I'd concentrate more on two very little, minor areas --- offense and defense, heh heh. D clearly misses Bergin, last night there were too many giveaways, careless passes, poor break-outs. The O generates opportunities but is showing more hesitation and "wait for the perfect shot" of the last few years. In this league you need one-timers, crash the net, solid forecheck, like they did against Yale. When you don't do those things goals will be hard to come by. I'd add that other ECAC teams seem to scout RPI well. I'd work on integrating some new plays. It doesn't seem to take opponents long to figure out what RPI will do.

Overall the guys seem to be a little down on themselves and some are clearly playing with a bit less poise and confidence than earlier in the season. But they have a lot of talent, even with injuries, and they can win any game they play. I think the team will correct its own confidence issues and a win against Union Weds. would go a long way, especially given all the love Schaefer showed Union in the paper after Cornell tied them last night.

There's still a long way to go in this season and a lot of hockey left to be played. I'm very optimistic.
 
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Red’s defensive zone play yesterday would have been defensive zone game of the year in any of the last three years imo.(making a point with humor) The truth is, D zone penalties, O zone penalties, turnovers, shots from the red zone on REDS goal, goals scored on self, scoring chances, weak side shots, odd man rushes and breakaways are way down, WHILE TIME IN THE OFFENSIVE ZONE IS WAY UP ALONG WITH GPG. (love that one puck rule) The PP is slightly improved and the PK has suffered a bit. (could be that they don’t get enough game time to work on the PK because penalty minutes are down?)

That said. Some good, well coached teams with talent are being successful by using similar offensive and defensive schemes (game plans) (excluding Cornell) against RPI and Red has not figured out how to effectively counter yet. This is a gross over simplification i know, but sometimes simple is better here.

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I missed yesterdays game although I may watch the on-line version, but on Friday I noticed that Jensen was being used on the power play and seemed to do it well. I wonder if he has earned a spot in the regular lineup when Bergin returns, and if so who will not dress.
 
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I am glad to see that people read what I write.
I love this team, win or lose.
Anyone who doesn't think that Wednesday's game is a must win is just kidding themselves.
As for knowing how to win, You don't tie a game in the last second and then have a ridiculous defensive breakdown to lose in overtime.
You don't come back from 2 goals down and give away a game in the defensive zone.
I was at the Yale game, and they were in control all the way. Get ahead stay ahead. They had ten bad minutes, but recovered.
I have been at the field house the last two Saturdays and at the Yale game.
It is December, and this team is not playing the same way they did in November.
You can blame injuries or officiating, or anything else you want, but it won't change a thing.
I believe that this team has the talent with the players that were on the ice last night to beat anyone.
Colgate's forecheck had nothing to do with the bad decisions that were made by our players. In almost every case that we gave up a goal, our players were either out of position or trying to make a more complicated play than was necessary.
I understand that they are college kids and are going to make mistakes, but it is time to minimize those mistakes and that is not happening.
I would like to see them tie a game up and then go forward from there.
Their energy should go up and they should be pressing for the next goal, but they do not.
These guys are good. They are talented, and they can play a very exciting game. But I will say it again. They don't know how to win.
Winning and losing are habits, and until we start winning regularly, we have very bad habits.
I will say again. Wednesday's game is huge.
I expect that they will be ready, but I thought they would be ready in the tournament, and they were not.
We will see.
 
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The engineers played well enough to win both games this weekend. Especially against Cornell. The physcial game against Cornell took a little "edge" off RPI in the first period against Colgate. But the second period they looked great. Third, they were a little off.
The Rabbani and AAG helpers in the second period were worth the price of admission. Just great!

It is so unfortunate that the refs played a part in the outcome this game.

Despite no points it was an exciting weekend at hfh.
York is good, very good, rebounds may be an issue but earlier in the year they weren't because the defense picked up the forwards after the shot.
Cornell's Ben Screvins was the best goalie this weekend.
 
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I think we could have and should have won both games this weekend. The Defense had a horrible night and I think that is our biggest problem right now. When a team spends an entire period in our zone we have a problem. When our D is being walked or pinches and gets burned we have a problem. And when the announcers on B2 give Polacek the Defense Player of the game we have a huge problem. We need our forwards to be freed up to attack offensively not winning defensive player of the game. Kuddos to Polacek because he played a heck of a game but I want that kid in the offensive zone shooting pucks. Appert has some work ahead of him. Shore up the D zone!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:
 
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I am glad to see that people read what I write.
I love this team, win or lose.
Anyone who doesn't think that Wednesday's game is a must win is just kidding themselves.

I will say again. Wednesday's game is huge.
I expect that they will be ready, but I thought they would be ready in the tournament, and they were not.
We will see.

Amen-huge does not even cover it-the game is incredibly important especially with the long layoff after it (I know we still have BU-but no ECAC games for a while). This is a good team with a load of talent (more than we have had in many years). But bad habits are developing and that has to stop.
 
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I am glad to see that people read what I write.
EHF, I read everybody's posts and take the time to answer only a few. Rants and incoherant logic I'll gladly pass on but yours require some friendly give and take.

Anyone who doesn't think that Wednesday's game is a must win is just kidding themselves.
Let's look at this for a sec, ok? First, a win in any game of the league season is worth two points, no more, no less. A win off of two league losses would be a big lift for sure...but to put the most meaning of a 'MUST' game is a tad too much. Second, to beat Union AGAIN would be a huge lift, especially as Union is ahead of RPI in the standings! RPI has already proven it can beat Union and a loss would not be catastrophic unless it was a 'bad loss' by being dominated, etc. Third, would a tie be demoralizing? The way the game is played will dictate the importance of the contest. Seth has the task of maintaining an even keel to the players to avoid getting too high or too low which usually proves to be the undoing of most teams. It's a marathon not a sprint to steal a phrase. Fourth, the fans like us may place too much importance on any one game (especially against Union our new team we love to hate rival) as our emotions are certainly in the right place. For us to on the edge of our seats during the game is well worth the price of admission but to the players, they need clear focus in most difficult circumstances. Mistakes will be made, by both teams, due to fatigue, mis-matches, etc. I won't go into the rest of how the game is played...but I am confident that Seth will have the boys ready. This ain't NHL 2010 played on a computer or game console so you better take the injuries, etc. into account!

You make some great insightful comments on the Yale game and tieing a game with .4 seconds is storylike but the defensive breakdown to lose in overtime was less egregious since York's own admission that it was a save he should have made (and normally does). Sh*t happens...sometimes a team recovers like in the Yale game and sometimes not like the last Union game.

I have been at the field house the last two Saturdays and at the Yale game. It is December, and this team is not playing the same way they did in November. You can blame injuries or officiating, or anything else you want, but it won't change a thing.
I believe that this team has the talent with the players that were on the ice last night to beat anyone.
Spot on. This team has talent! And they can beat any team on any given night. Not every night will be a dub since there are TWO TEAMS on the ice! Games mean more now, especially league contests, so every team is playing at its hardest. But I'm not 'blaming' anything for the sudden change of outcomes but the reality of players being injured must be factored as some major reasons for it.

EHF, we both want the same thing and I do believe we both are willing to be patient for success. Let's defer the debate on MUST games until February when crunch time really arrives!

GO RED!
 
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