>>>>> RIT TIGERS 2012-13: Clawing our way up the standings in the 2nd half

[TigerFan86-87]

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It's not for lack of effort on RIT's part, they marketed the Power Play pretty aggressively.

Yes they did, but how much did they really think that was going to raise that way? $5 or $10 a shot for a team that draws 1800 - 2000 per game? Even if everyone in the arena at 10 games called and donated $10, they would raise an whopping $200,000 against a goal of $15,000,000. Barely a dent. And I guarantee there aren't anywhere near 20,000 different fans that go to Tigers games. So that is just a wild example that wouldn't really happen anyhow. Of the 1500 or so of us that regularly go and the other 500 to 1000 that come occasionally, there just isn't the mass to support that kind of goal.

 

[RIT Winters]

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Shifting gears... how about that RMU-Mercyhurst score last night...think that helps us, hurts us or is no factor going into the weekend series with RMU?

Despite their out of conference success and their brief time on the national rankings, RoMo has looked extremely vulnerable in conference play all year. I don't think the Mercyhurst result factors into the RIT games this weekend, but I do think RIT needs to buckle down and play hard. RoMo is a team that we could take the majority of points from, even at home.

Yes they did, but how much did they really think that was going to raise that way? $5 or $10 a shot for a team that draws 1800 - 2000 per game? Even if everyone in the arena at 10 games called and donated $10, they would raise an whopping $200,000 against a goal of $15,000,000. Barely a dent. And I guarantee there aren't anywhere near 20,000 different fans that go to Tigers games. So that is just a wild example that wouldn't really happen anyhow. Of the 1500 or so of us that regularly go and the other 500 to 1000 that come occasionally, there just isn't the mass to support that kind of goal.

Well, they certainly weren't expecting to fund it entirely through $10 donations. They started the fundraising off with a $1,000,000 gift. The Pollesini's added $4,000,000 to that, and at least one corporation dropped in another $1,000,000 for a jumbotron. So before you even begin looking at the smaller efforts, keep in mind that they already had $6,000,000 in the pot pretty early on. That's a good 40% of their entire goal.

The $10 donations are always going to make up a small percentage of the overall funds, they are looking for high rollers - wealthy alums and businesses. I'm not sure why those dollars have stopped coming in, but I'm sure that the on ice performance and lack of sellouts doesn't help the sales pitch. If the team won the AHA championship and headed back to the national spotlight, you can bet money would pick up again.

 

[mar7967]

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Despite their out of conference success and their brief time on the national rankings, RoMo has looked extremely vulnerable in conference play all year. I don't think the Mercyhurst result factors into the RIT games this weekend, but I do think RIT needs to buckle down and play hard. RoMo is a team that we could take the majority of points from, even at home.

RIT is 0-3-1 at Robert Morris (not counting the win at CONSOL), plus RMU is going to fight hard after that loss last night. I think it's going to be another tough weekend.

 

[RIT Winters]

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RIT is 0-3-1 at Robert Morris (not counting the win at CONSOL), plus RMU is going to fight hard after that loss last night. I think it's going to be another tough weekend.

See, the thing I don't like about stats like this is how misleading they are. RIT was 0-1-2 versus Robert Morris last year, but since then we've replaced 8 different players and they also have a very different team. It doesn't really matter how we did against Robert Morris two years ago or even a year ago. Both teams have probably only half the players from 2010-11 on the ice this weekend.

What's more important is this season, where both teams are struggling to find wins and consistency. Robert Morris has arguably struggled more since the break, with a weaker schedule. They split UCONN, AIC, and Army. They have lost their last three games against teams not named Sacred Heart and are 5-6 in the AHA since the break. RIT is 4-3-1 in the same time frame in AHA, without Sacred Heart to pad their stats.

 

[kerwing7]

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Yes they did, but how much did they really think that was going to raise that way? $5 or $10 a shot for a team that draws 1800 - 2000 per game? Even if everyone in the arena at 10 games called and donated $10, they would raise an whopping $200,000 against a goal of $15,000,000. Barely a dent. And I guarantee there aren't anywhere near 20,000 different fans that go to Tigers games. So that is just a wild example that wouldn't really happen anyhow. Of the 1500 or so of us that regularly go and the other 500 to 1000 that come occasionally, there just isn't the mass to support that kind of goal.

Right. I think they could have been much more creative with their fundraising. My feeling is that most people like to get something tangible for their donation. I don’t think people want to donate $100 or $300 or $500 to something that doesn’t exist yet (and who’s design is not finalized), without getting something real to acknowledge their donation. I relatively recently saw that if you donate $1000 you can get your name on a seat in the new arena. That’s a cool concept, but who’s got $1000 lying around to throw at a new arena that seems to change in design quite a bit lately. Heck, you can buy a personalized brick for the dang sidewalk of the Quarter-mile for $175! Why don’t they have similar price-point donation “gifts” for the arena? For instance: a $100 will get you a special t-shirt (or something); $250 (and above) will get your name listed in the Media Guide and/or some other permanent sign in/around the arena, you could have different donor levels (gold, silver, bronze, etc.) based on the dollar amount of the donation; $350 you get a personalized brick on the walkway into the arena; etc…
These are just ideas off the top of my head, but I’m sure something similar could be worked out.

 

[JRZ DVLS]

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Exactly.

Not sure you are all adding into the fact that many of the students on the Hockey team are also considered international students being from Canada. So they would get additional aid on that as well.

As a student who had to get grants/aid and was in the Bursars office every quarter trying to get more money out of the school, I can tell you that there are numerous ways to get aid.

Ok, enough of that,
Planning on moving back to Rochester, anyone in need of a Retail Display designer, packaging designer?

 

[lmg6841]

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So Niagara is currently holding 9th in the PWR. If they maintain this spot or move up in PWR, would there be a chance that two AHA teams advance to the NCAAs assuming they don't win the Autobid? Or will a loss to say even #2 Air Force would drop them out of consideration?

 

[RIT Winters]

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Right. I think they could have been much more creative with their fundraising. My feeling is that most people like to get something tangible for their donation. I don’t think people want to donate $100 or $300 or $500 to something that doesn’t exist yet (and who’s design is not finalized), without getting something real to acknowledge their donation. I relatively recently saw that if you donate $1000 you can get your name on a seat in the new arena. That’s a cool concept, but who’s got $1000 lying around to throw at a new arena that seems to change in design quite a bit lately. Heck, you can buy a personalized brick for the dang sidewalk of the Quarter-mile for $175! Why don’t they have similar price-point donation “gifts” for the arena? For instance: a $100 will get you a special t-shirt (or something); $250 (and above) will get your name listed in the Media Guide and/or some other permanent sign in/around the arena, you could have different donor levels (gold, silver, bronze, etc.) based on the dollar amount of the donation; $350 you get a personalized brick on the walkway into the arena; etc…
These are just ideas off the top of my head, but I’m sure something similar could be worked out.

I know when I donated, you got one of those Tiger branded bench cushions for a $25 donation. But I do agree with you, this is actually a really good idea. So good, in fact, I might have to forward it along............

 

[MattS]

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They can do that comparison all they want, but they must allot any financial aid (be it X, Y or Z) proportionately to athletes vs rest of student body. i.e. if 50% of athletes get this aid while 20% of rest of student body gets it, then you're at Geneseo and will be in violation.

I understand this. Maybe I wasn't clear. I did say that the athlete would get more aid compared to the non-athlete. But you, or Ed, or anyone can't get me to believe that hockey recruit doesn't get special treatment (or maybe I should say first in line) for financial aid over the student that is a nobody majoring in photography.

I'd invite you to suggest that this goes on to coach or to someone in the athletic department. Let me be there when you do it so I can watch the reaction.

Your naivete is pretty humorous. When I come up for the next game at BCA (I imagine that is the next time I will see an RIT game in person), you get me time with any of the coaching staff and/or Athletic department (not a flunky) and I will ask. Not that I would expect an honest answer but I too would be curious to see the reaction.

 

[five8five]

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I still stand by my statement that RIT hasn't played well in front of Ruby. I'm glad the offense exploded and things worked well Saturday, but that was one of how many games we've had with Ruby in net? Ruby is still 2-5-1 with 30 goals against this season. If things get better with him back there, then great. As someone mentioned already, this team plays very inconsistently and splitting against Uconn this weekend, regardless of the goal differential, is not much to celebrate.

I have no idea why you would continue to say that the team hasn't played well with Ruby in net when clearly they have. Let's take a look at the stats for his last three games played:

          MIN     SVS    GA    SV%      GF (Scored by RIT)  

Niagara   34:40   19     2    .905      2
UConn     58:36   33     3    .917      1
UConn     60      23     1    .958      7

Totals            75     6    .926      10   

Overall GAA: 2.35 
Overall GFA: 3.92

 

[lmg6841]

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Because before this last weekend RIT hadn't played well in front of Ruby. He had a great weekend, but it was also against Uconn. They're tied with us in point, and considering how bad both teams are doing, it's not something to celebrate. He's still averaging 3.78 GAA, with 30 goals in 9 games. Not something you'd expect from a D1 goalie that's getting praise. However, like I said before (and you quoted), I hope things get better.

I have no idea why you would continue to say that the team hasn't played well with Ruby in net when clearly they have. Let's take a look at the stats for his last three games played:

          MIN     SVS    GA    SV%      GF (Scored by RIT)  

Niagara   34:40   19     2    .905      2
UConn     58:36   33     3    .917      1
UConn     60      23     1    .958      7

Totals            75     6    .926      10   

Overall GAA: 2.35 
Overall GFA: 3.92

 

[five8five]

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Because before this last weekend RIT hadn't played well in front of Ruby. He had a great weekend, but it was also against Uconn. They're tied with us in point, and considering how bad both teams are doing, it's not something to celebrate. He's still averaging 3.78 GAA, with 30 goals in 9 games. Not something you'd expect from a D1 goalie that's getting praise. However, like I said before (and you quoted), I hope things get better.

So he had a great weekend but it doesn't count because UConn is tied with RIT in the standings? Air Force is currently in third place and only four points ahead of RIT, would wins against them count or are they not good enough either? How about Niagara? Are they good enough to count? Ruby's stats from the Niagara game on January 26th look pretty darn good considering he hadn't played since December 7th and he came in cold, no warmup.

 

[Zyklon]

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So he had a great weekend but it doesn't count because UConn is tied with RIT in the standings? Air Force is currently in third place and only four points ahead of RIT, would wins against them count or are they not good enough either? How about Niagara? Are they good enough to count? Ruby's stats from the Niagara game on January 26th look pretty darn good considering he hadn't played since December 7th and he came in cold, no warmup.

My only scare with Ruby, even though I really like him, is he sometimes seem to be the type that is a knockout Goalie until a goal is scored on him and then it's a question of how quickly he can regain his composure. We even saw last week when the corner started chanting his name he got distracted and let in a goal.

 

[SmallTown]

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My only scare with Ruby, even though I really like him, is he sometimes seem to be the type that is a knockout Goalie until a goal is scored on him and then it's a question of how quickly he can regain his composure. We even saw last week when the corner started chanting his name he got distracted and let in a goal.

I'd like to know which goal you are referring to? On Friday night, the first goal was a shot from the point that had eyes in ALOT of traffic; no way he's stopping that one, 2nd goal was a UCONN Power Play goal where he made a big save on the 1st shot and the rebound landed unfortunately on a UCONN stick pretty much in the crease, the 3rd goal was a complete team defensive breakdown; they let a UCONN player walk right into the crease, how's Ruby supposed to stop that? And on Saturday night the only goal was a 5 on 3 which was really a 5 on 2 because Smith didn't have his stick. I'm having a hard time seeing which one of those goals is on Ruby where he "got distracted and let in a goal"

 

[lmg6841]

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Ruby did alright against Uconn. Subbing in to a Niagara blowout (at the time he came in anyway) and letting in two goals is not what I would call fantastic. My original point is that neither of these two goalies what we need to be competitive in D1, and based on stats from the first half of the season, I had every right to be terrified of Ruby in net. He does make some great saves, but the fact is GA has been his down fall so far.

So he had a great weekend but it doesn't count because UConn is tied with RIT in the standings? Air Force is currently in third place and only four points ahead of RIT, would wins against them count or are they not good enough either? How about Niagara? Are they good enough to count? Ruby's stats from the Niagara game on January 26th look pretty darn good considering he hadn't played since December 7th and he came in cold, no warmup.

 

[RIT Winters]

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I'd like to know which goal you are referring to? On Friday night, the first goal was a shot from the point that had eyes in ALOT of traffic; no way he's stopping that one, 2nd goal was a UCONN Power Play goal where he made a big save on the 1st shot and the rebound landed unfortunately on a UCONN stick pretty much in the crease, the 3rd goal was a complete team defensive breakdown; they let a UCONN player walk right into the crease, how's Ruby supposed to stop that? And on Saturday night the only goal was a 5 on 3 which was really a 5 on 2 because Smith didn't have his stick. I'm having a hard time seeing which one of those goals is on Ruby where he "got distracted and let in a goal"

Some people blame the goalie when a goal is scored, regardless of the situation on the ice. These people are wrong.

 

[RITAbe]

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ICYMI, according to his Twitter, Rocky got the call to work tonight's Habs/Sabres game. Gonna strain my ear extra hard to pick up those dulcet tones.

https://twitter.com/34ROCKYP/status/299343120078864384

 

[SmallTown]

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Ruby did alright against Uconn. Subbing in to a Niagara blowout (at the time he came in anyway) and letting in two goals is not what I would call fantastic. My original point is that neither of these two goalies what we need to be competitive in D1, and based on stats from the first half of the season, I had every right to be terrified of Ruby in net. He does make some great saves, but the fact is GA has been his down fall so far.

I just want to throw this out there, As a sophmore Jared DiMichiel's stats looked like this: 6 games played, GAAVG 3.69, Save% .868. Ruby's stat's a sophmore so far: 7 games started, GAAVG 3.78, Save% .891. And DiMichiel took us to the Frozen Four in his senior year. Were you terrified of DeMike too?

 

[lmg6841]

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If he had this RIT team in front of him, yes.

I just want to throw this out there, As a sophmore Jared DiMichiel's stats looked like this: 6 games played, GAAVG 3.69, Save% .868. Ruby's stat's a sophmore so far: 7 games started, GAAVG 3.78, Save% .891. And DiMichiel took us to the Frozen Four in his senior year. Were you terrified of DeMike too?

 

[komey1]

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If he had this RIT team in front of him, yes.

DeMike had better teams in front of him with those stats - so you could argue his numbers would have been worse with the current team.

I admit I was nervious when DeMike started getting playing time. But he did what he had to do to improve and became a very good goalie.