>>>>> RIT TIGERS 2012-13: Clawing our way up the standings in the 2nd half

[RITProf]

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I'd glady donate if I wasn't already ~$140k in the hole because of RIT.

Because of your choice to attend RIT ...

(And you've spent more than $10 of your time here complaining about the arena. It would have been cheaper to donate.)

 

[lmg6841]

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Jeez one comment about the arena! lol Technically my initial agreement was something to the effect of not paying for college, but that's a whole different story. I do plan on donating something to the hockey program.. bonuses are coming up and that may be a good time to do so.

Because of your choice to attend RIT ...

(And you've spent more than $10 of your time here complaining about the arena. It would have been cheaper to donate.)

 

[blazer777]

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If you're going to spend money on an upgrade why not go all out (then again it's not my money..)?

Maybe somebody in the administration has a job who's sole reason for being is to keep the school solvent by operating within its means?

 

[Downstate_RIT_Fan]

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I think a factor we could be overlooking is the economy. While hockey players tend to be more afluent than they are in other sports, going to a school where there is no scholarship as opposed to one with a scholarship makes a differance.

I thought about this as well...if a kid in the USHL had a handful of D1 programs looking at him and money was an issue, all things being somewhat equal, (quality of education, majors offered, opportunity to play right away, school ties to professional leagues, etc.) the D1 programs offering hockey scholarships to help offset tuition cost would get a second look. This would be especially true if that player had siblings younger than him. It is what it is folks, like komey, I do not think the economy can be ruled out. I guess there's what, ten schools in D1 that don't offer scholies? Yes, Union, made a run last year and the Ivies hold their own, but the consistently strong programs have a formula for packing their barns and winning big games regularly and unfortunately for RIT that formula does include scholarships. Coming off a great year the "reloading" is quite challenging for the non-scholarship schools, especially for a Union or RIT that despite their strong academic histories are not Ivies.

 

[blazer777]

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I thought about this as well...if a kid in the USHL had a handful of D1 programs looking at him and money was an issue, all things being somewhat equal, (quality of education, majors offered, opportunity to play right away, school ties to professional leagues, etc.) the D1 programs offering hockey scholarships to help offset tuition cost would get a second look. This would be especially true if that player had siblings younger than him. It is what it is folks, like komey, I do not think the economy can be ruled out. I guess there's what, ten schools in D1 that don't offer scholies? Yes, Union, made a run last year and the Ivies hold their own, but the consistently strong programs have a formula for packing their barns and winning big games regularly and unfortunately for RIT that formula does include scholarships. Coming off a great year the "reloading" is quite challenging for the non-scholarship schools, especially for a Union or RIT that despite their strong academic histories are not Ivies.

With the current cost of a college education, sure, cost comes into play around most everybody's kitchen table but.....while RIT doesn't offer scholarships,
they do offer grants? Sure, they don't cover the entire cost but all things being even, RIT doesn't look too bad.

Are student athletes eligible for grants?

 

[Downstate_RIT_Fan]

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With the current cost of a college education, sure, cost comes into play around most everybody's kitchen table but.....while RIT doesn't offer scholarships,
they do offer grants? Sure, they don't cover the entire cost but all things being even, RIT doesn't look too bad.

Are student athletes eligible for grants?

I am not familiar with grants for student athletes, so I defer to someone on the board that perhaps had or currently has a child playing D1 hockey. Academic scholarships are available at most schools for students who have performed well academically in high school. I'm sure that many RIT scholar athletes have taken advantage of those opportunities.

 

[LtPowers]

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I think you can rest assured the hockey staff and financial aid departments work to get every available need- and merit-based scholarship dollar available to a student whose hockey skills are wanted.


Powers &8^]

 

[MattS]

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I think a factor we could be overlooking is the economy. While hockey players tend to be more afluent than they are in other sports, going to a school where there is no scholarship as opposed to one with a scholarship makes a differance.

I think you can rest assured the hockey staff and financial aid departments work to get every available need- and merit-based scholarship dollar available to a student whose hockey skills are wanted.
Powers &8^]

The economy might be a factor. But I don’t think it would be for a blue chip prospect. If say a Trouba type player wanted to come to RIT to shore up the D, does anyone really think the he wouldn’t get a sweet financial package that would basically see him paying $0? Money might come in to play with a mid-level recruit where RIT can’t/doesn’t want to fork over the grant money and thus a scholarship looks even more appealing.

Again, it's unrealistic to expect any program to foot the bill for a $60 million rink, which is roughly where the original renderings would have placed us. As it stands, the community is doing a pathetic job of raising funds, so even the $30 million target is being, at best, limped towards. It's not for lack of effort on RIT's part, they marketed the Power Play pretty aggressively. Admittedly, a winning season would certainly have helped, but the well seems to have dried up faster than RIT expected, and now they are already looking at the very real possibility of spending more than $15 million of their own cash on the barn.

No matter what, the new rink will be a significant improvement over Ritter and a great thing for this program. But if you want it to be better, and this applies to everyone here, you better open your wallet rather than your mouth.

Just curious as to why the community is at fault with raising funds? Doesn’t that fall on RIT to do a better job? Personally, I think this whole new rink has been poorly planned from the beginning. It just doesn’t seem like they had any real idea what they were/are doing and everything is being rushed (changed).

I’ve never worked for a University setting for capital fundraising, but I have for (smaller) nonprofits and the rule of thumb, is they want 1/3 – 1/2 of the money necessary already committed/raised before the announcement of the capital project to the general public. This certainly was not the case at RIT but maybe they have different guidelines. I don't know and am just wondering. Either way I am guessing that RIT thought that the money would flow in much easier than it has.

 

[lmg6841]

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I think the whole campaign was kicked off because of that alumni 1mil donation to the rink. That and it seemed a good idea to piggy back the Frozen Four hype.

This certainly was not the case at RIT but maybe they have different guidelines. I don't know and am just wondering. Either way I am guessing that RIT thought that the money would flow in much easier than it has.

 

[dxk3355]

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I donate to RIT every year, but only to the academic programs. Not to these frivolous non-academic endeavors. These programs are basically businesses in their own right and should operate within their means. That includes capital improvements.

 

[mar7967]

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I donate to RIT every year, but only to the academic programs. Not to these frivolous non-academic endeavors. These programs are basically businesses in their own right and should operate within their means. That includes capital improvements.

Shouldn't the academic programs operate within their means too (tuition)? Why donate at all? To me, a new rink adds to the campus atmosphere and can help bring more business to the campus (more youth hockey tournaments, etc). Increasing foot traffic on campus only leads to more money for RIT, which is really a business on its own.

 

[komey1]

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The economy might be a factor. But I don’t think it would be for a blue chip prospect. If say a Trouba type player wanted to come to RIT to shore up the D, does anyone really think the he wouldn’t get a sweet financial package that would basically see him paying $0? Money might come in to play with a mid-level recruit where RIT can’t/doesn’t want to fork over the grant money and thus a scholarship looks even more appealing.

Do you REALLY think a blue chip prospect is going to go to an Atlantic Hockey team - even if he is going to pay $0? There is next to no exposure for him there. Blue chippers are going primarily to the BTHC, HE, NHCA and WCHA because of TV and better quality teams. I would argue that ONLY reason a blue chip recruit comes to an RIT or other AHA team would be some sort of connection already - like being a kid who wants to play for the local team.

 

[lmg6841]

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Agreed. I feel that I've donated quite enough to RIT academics with my tuition, especially since other schools seem to do just fine operating at 1/4 or 1/3 of that price. However, outside of my good friends, RIT hockey is about the only thing else that made college memorable for me. To me that makes for a worthwhile donation and an annual trip to Blue Cross.

Shouldn't the academic programs operate within their means too (tuition)? Why donate at all? To me, a new rink adds to the campus atmosphere and can help bring more business to the campus (more youth hockey tournaments, etc). Increasing foot traffic on campus only leads to more money for RIT, which is really a business on its own.

 

[MattS]

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Do you REALLY think a blue chip prospect is going to go to an Atlantic Hockey team - even if he is going to pay $0? There is next to no exposure for him there. Blue chippers are going primarily to the BTHC, HE, NHCA and WCHA because of TV and better quality teams. I would argue that ONLY reason a blue chip recruit comes to an RIT or other AHA team would be some sort of connection already - like being a kid who wants to play for the local team.

I would have thought it was obvious I meant a hypothetical blue chip player and not an actual player such as Trouba. The point was, since I guess you missed it, that a blue chip player that RIT could snag (top flight AHA recruit if you will) and one that the coaching staff wants would not have trouble finding grant and/or scholie money from RIT.

 

[Ed Trefzger]

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I would have thought it was obvious I meant a hypothetical blue chip player and not an actual player such as Trouba. The point was, since I guess you missed it, that a blue chip player that RIT could snag (top flight AHA recruit if you will) and one that the coaching staff wants would not have trouble finding grant and/or scholie money from RIT.

I have every confidence that RIT is playing strictly by the NCAA rules which apply to it as a Division III institution and are not doing things that would jeopardize compliance. What you suggest would jeopardize it. The school has to avoid even the slightest appearance of providing athletic scholarships and they work diligently to obey every jot and tittle.

 

[Downstate_RIT_Fan]

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I have every confidence that RIT is playing strictly by the NCAA rules which apply to it as a Division III institution and are not doing things that would jeopardize compliance. What you suggest would jeopardize it. The school has to avoid even the slightest appearance of providing athletic scholarships and they work diligently to obey every jot and tittle.

Getting back to my original premise, it is a challenge for RIT to reload year after year. The fact that RIT has remained as competitive as it is is a credit to the program and the school. Building a new arena, regardless of it's final projected layout, having a great fanbase and having RIT hockey alum succeeding in the various professional hockey leagues will only help to continue to bring in quality recruits. Reading or watching videos of the recent success of the likes of Tanev, Burt, Brenner, McReynolds and those who came before them should excite recruits to consider RIT.

Shifting gears... how about that RMU-Mercyhurst score last night...think that helps us, hurts us or is no factor going into the weekend series with RMU?

 

[MattS]

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I have every confidence that RIT is playing strictly by the NCAA rules which apply to it as a Division III institution and are not doing things that would jeopardize compliance. What you suggest would jeopardize it. The school has to avoid even the slightest appearance of providing athletic scholarships and they work diligently to obey every jot and tittle.

I'm not insuinating that RIT was/is not adhering to the NCAA overloard rules. They're not being fast and loose like USC. I do not think RIT gives more $$ for the hockey players than they would any other student that they wanted to come to RIT. Unless things have changed since I was there, and based upon my first hand knowledge, I do know that RIT can "find" money for a potential student when said student is greatly desired. Athlete or not. If RIT wants you to come there the money can be found.

If student "A" has grades of "X", qualifies for grants of "Y", academic scholies of "Z" and is a generic student. Student "B" has grades of "X", qualifies for grants of "Y", academic scholies of "Z" and is a top flight hockey recruit. Who do you really think will get the need base money first?

 

[TigerFan86-87]

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If student "A" has grades of "X", qualifies for grants of "Y", academic scholies of "Z" and is a generic student. Student "B" has grades of "X", qualifies for grants of "Y", academic scholies of "Z" and is a top flight hockey recruit. Who do you really think will get the need base money first?

They can do that comparison all they want, but they must allot any financial aid (be it X, Y or Z) proportionately to athletes vs rest of student body. i.e. if 50% of athletes get this aid while 20% of rest of student body gets it, then you're at Geneseo and will be in violation.

 

[Ed Trefzger]

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If student "A" has grades of "X", qualifies for grants of "Y", academic scholies of "Z" and is a generic student. Student "B" has grades of "X", qualifies for grants of "Y", academic scholies of "Z" and is a top flight hockey recruit. Who do you really think will get the need base money first?

I'd invite you to suggest that this goes on to coach or to someone in the athletic department. Let me be there when you do it so I can watch the reaction.

 

[Ed Trefzger]

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They can do that comparison all they want, but they must allot any financial aid (be it X, Y or Z) proportionately to athletes vs rest of student body. i.e. if 50% of athletes get this aid while 20% of rest of student body gets it, then you're at Geneseo and will be in violation.

Exactly.