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>>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
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Of course not. But in Division I sports, teams that don't live up to the usual expectations get questions asked of them. The media and the fans start wondering what the coach is going to do to repair the situation. If it gets too bad (and RIT hockey is nowhere near this point yet), people lose their jobs.
I'm not suggesting heads should roll, by any stretch of the imagination. But I don't think it's unreasonable for fans to start asking what steps are being taken to correct the disappointing results thus far.
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Of course not. But in Division I sports, teams that don't live up to the usual expectations get questions asked of them. The media and the fans start wondering what the coach is going to do to repair the situation. If it gets too bad (and RIT hockey is nowhere near this point yet), people lose their jobs.
I'm not suggesting heads should roll, by any stretch of the imagination. But I don't think it's unreasonable for fans to start asking what steps are being taken to correct the disappointing results thus far.
Powers &8^]
StimulisRK
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Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
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Sorry to get you guys off-topic, but why cant RIT give athletic scholarships to the hockey team? I always thought D-II and D-III meant no scholarships, and D-I was fair game when it came to scholarships?
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
Sorry to get you guys off-topic, but why cant RIT give athletic scholarships to the hockey team? I always thought D-II and D-III meant no scholarships, and D-I was fair game when it came to scholarships?
redhotzep96
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Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
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We aren't allowed to give scholarships for our DI Hockey program because the rest of our school is not DI. Hence the recent debate on here about moving the entire Institute up to Division I athletics.
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
We aren't allowed to give scholarships for our DI Hockey program because the rest of our school is not DI. Hence the recent debate on here about moving the entire Institute up to Division I athletics.
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
Good game tonight, crisp passing, good defense with some minor slip ups. Nice goaltending by Shane tonight helped the team out.
My only wish would be that WITR would be in sync with the America One broadcast as the announcers for UCONN were tough to listen to.
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
Good game tonight, crisp passing, good defense with some minor slip ups. Nice goaltending by Shane tonight helped the team out.
My only wish would be that WITR would be in sync with the America One broadcast as the announcers for UCONN were tough to listen to.
The schools in AHA are supposed to provide a connection to America One for visiting teams. Only RIT, Air Force, Army and Niagara comply. Your complaints to the Atlantic Hockey league office may or may not help as we have done so numerous times.
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No, what he's referring to is that RITs WITR broadcasts ahead of the America One videostream when you try to stream them separately. I've also noticed that RITs stream is very quiet on America One for home games.
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
No, what he's referring to is that RITs WITR broadcasts ahead of the America One videostream when you try to stream them separately. I've also noticed that RITs stream is very quiet on America One for home games.
I understand. You are supposed to have the option of hearing either the home or visiting team. If you have RIT's audio when we're on the road, you don't have to worry about it being in sync.
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
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Not an RIT-er, but it essentially goes like this: Shortly after Division III was instituted as a non-scholarship division, several schools classified with Division III were competing in sports at the Division I level and allowed to keep offering scholarships to remain competitive (this includes Clarkson, SLU, RPI, and Colorado College in hockey, and three others in other sports). Schools wishing to "play up" after that point would not be allowed to offer scholarships if they were classified as Division III as their primary division, full stop. This includes RIT and Union in hockey (as well as a handful of others in other minor sports; a school will never be allowed to play football or men's basketball at the D-I level and keep the rest of their sports D-III). Although there's currently a moratorium on schools being allowed to play up from D-III, any school who would be allowed to do so would have to abide by D-III restrictions, meaning no scholarships (and legislation was almost passed a few years ago that would have forbid even the grandfathered schools from offering scholarships in their grandfathered sports).
D-II, by the way, allows athletic scholarships, but it's intended to be on a smaller scale than D-I and the limits a team must abide by are lower.
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
Not an RIT-er, but it essentially goes like this: Shortly after Division III was instituted as a non-scholarship division, several schools classified with Division III were competing in sports at the Division I level and allowed to keep offering scholarships to remain competitive (this includes Clarkson, SLU, RPI, and Colorado College in hockey, and three others in other sports). Schools wishing to "play up" after that point would not be allowed to offer scholarships if they were classified as Division III as their primary division, full stop. This includes RIT and Union in hockey (as well as a handful of others in other minor sports; a school will never be allowed to play football or men's basketball at the D-I level and keep the rest of their sports D-III). Although there's currently a moratorium on schools being allowed to play up from D-III, any school who would be allowed to do so would have to abide by D-III restrictions, meaning no scholarships (and legislation was almost passed a few years ago that would have forbid even the grandfathered schools from offering scholarships in their grandfathered sports).
D-II, by the way, allows athletic scholarships, but it's intended to be on a smaller scale than D-I and the limits a team must abide by are lower.
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
The moratorium is passed, but schools GENERALLY have to go to DII before DI. RIT succeessfully petitioned to be allowed to bring their hockey team from DIII to DI since there is no DII championship in hockey.
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
The moratorium is passed, but schools GENERALLY have to go to DII before DI. RIT succeessfully petitioned to be allowed to bring their hockey team from DIII to DI since there is no DII championship in hockey.
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
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I'll look next time they are on the road. The controls on their player are not very intuitive and sound control doens't seem to work at all. I had to stop the video feed to mute them and hear you guys on the WITR link. You guys are about 10 seconds ahead of the video feed outside of their player.
Nice interview with Wilson after the game. Some of his comments seemed to refer to some of the stuff talked about earlier in the week on this forum.
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
I'll look next time they are on the road. The controls on their player are not very intuitive and sound control doens't seem to work at all. I had to stop the video feed to mute them and hear you guys on the WITR link. You guys are about 10 seconds ahead of the video feed outside of their player.
Nice interview with Wilson after the game. Some of his comments seemed to refer to some of the stuff talked about earlier in the week on this forum.
Scott Biggar
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Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
RIT is currently third in Atlantic Hockey, with 10 of 27 league games played. They have won the AHA regular season title four of the last five seasons, the post season title once, and made it to the Frozen Four once. This team has an above .500 overall record and entered December with a winning record for only the second time since going Division I.
For someone like myself who has been a fan of RIT hockey for 27 years, through a national championship and many years of domination in Division III, and covered the team for print, internet, and radio for nearly 20 years, I am finding it difficult to comprehend what expectations are not being lived up to enough to even contemplate such a level of despair as your postings imply.
I wonder how you would have reacted during the seasons back in the early/mid 90's when RIT struggled to even make, and sometimes missed, the ECAC West playoffs.
Sports teams struggle at times, finding themselves, figuring out how to play with the personnel they have, constantly reacting to what opponents are doing, etc. One of the wonderful aspects of college hockey is that upwards of 25% of each team changes every year, creating a new landscape for the teams and fans to figure out. For most fans, that is all part of the fun of the sport.
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
RIT is currently third in Atlantic Hockey, with 10 of 27 league games played. They have won the AHA regular season title four of the last five seasons, the post season title once, and made it to the Frozen Four once. This team has an above .500 overall record and entered December with a winning record for only the second time since going Division I.
For someone like myself who has been a fan of RIT hockey for 27 years, through a national championship and many years of domination in Division III, and covered the team for print, internet, and radio for nearly 20 years, I am finding it difficult to comprehend what expectations are not being lived up to enough to even contemplate such a level of despair as your postings imply.
I wonder how you would have reacted during the seasons back in the early/mid 90's when RIT struggled to even make, and sometimes missed, the ECAC West playoffs.
Sports teams struggle at times, finding themselves, figuring out how to play with the personnel they have, constantly reacting to what opponents are doing, etc. One of the wonderful aspects of college hockey is that upwards of 25% of each team changes every year, creating a new landscape for the teams and fans to figure out. For most fans, that is all part of the fun of the sport.
Scott Biggar
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Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
Some info on the new rink announced this weekend. WITR had Rob Dermody, Development Officer at RIT, on during the second intermission of Saturday's game. One of the items he mentioned is that they have about $8M in donation pledges to date. When they get to about $10M, they will begin final architectural work and break ground soon thereafter.
Coach Wilson announced at the alumni gathering before the game that they are hoping to break ground on the new rink by Brick City weekend, 2012, with construction expected to take 18-24 months. So with some additional donations and luck with a smooth drawing/construction process, the team could be opening the 2014 season in the new rink.
Personally, I think a hoped for 4-year timespan from announcement of first gift by the Schultz's to playing on the ice is phenominally quick and a testament to how much RIT and the community are pushing this project along.
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
Some info on the new rink announced this weekend. WITR had Rob Dermody, Development Officer at RIT, on during the second intermission of Saturday's game. One of the items he mentioned is that they have about $8M in donation pledges to date. When they get to about $10M, they will begin final architectural work and break ground soon thereafter.
Coach Wilson announced at the alumni gathering before the game that they are hoping to break ground on the new rink by Brick City weekend, 2012, with construction expected to take 18-24 months. So with some additional donations and luck with a smooth drawing/construction process, the team could be opening the 2014 season in the new rink.
Personally, I think a hoped for 4-year timespan from announcement of first gift by the Schultz's to playing on the ice is phenominally quick and a testament to how much RIT and the community are pushing this project along.
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Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
I'm not despairing. (I'm not the one who said "WE SUCK".) I'm just wondering what happened to our scoring touch and what steps are being taken to try to regain it. It's very difficult to win championships if we can't get the puck in the net.
Powers &8^]
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
I'm not despairing. (I'm not the one who said "WE SUCK".) I'm just wondering what happened to our scoring touch and what steps are being taken to try to regain it. It's very difficult to win championships if we can't get the puck in the net.
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Tom Naeger
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Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
Scott you hit just about every point right on the head, but its going to fall on deaf ears, we have been trying to talk sense in these folks for years. I am going to take it a step further and say;
<b>Hey people get ready to get more frustrated because this is not the kind of team that is going to run away with the league.</b>
This is a team which still should have two players like a Tyler Brennar and Chris Tanev. I don’t care who you have, those are two players that are hard to replace. There is a lot of talent on this team, but the coaches and player are still trying to figure out how to win with it consistently. It is tough without a bonafide goal scorer, trust me I am frustrated too that with play makers like Cameron Burt, and guys who showed flashes of goal scoring touch like Mitchell, Lynch, and Colevecchia are not scoring more. But sometimes that is the way it goes.
Regardless, this teams only chance to get to the NCAAs was via winning the AHA Tournament. They have beaten the top team in the standings, and took both games against the team many consider to be the best from the east. They sit third and are one good winning streak away from trying to run down Air Force which they did in the year they tied Air Force for the regular season title. They came from something like 10 points back to catch the Falcons. So yes given past success it has been a frustrating year, but we don’t need to hit the panic button yet.
I think what is truly ironic is that if this was the start back in the old D-III days we would certainly be hitting the panic button at this point. There is a definite disconnect between RIT fans that go back to the D-III days and the younger generation of RIT fans. You all most think it be the other way around. Back in the day, there was no parity there was only maybe a third of the games that you worried about RIT losing the game, and that was only if they where having an off year. Most of the game you would expect RIT to win, not 3-2, but 10-2 mostly.
What keeps things in perspective for me is the experience of watching RIT play most games not sold out, against team no body every heard of and at places like the Geneva Recreation Facility. Against teams that people expected to be more over matched by RIT than the 1980 USA Olympic team was against the Soviets.
I think we need to lock all the “RIT is under achieving” (or in Powers case just beam him into the room) in a room with Remy. Maybe they all can agree that a frozen four appearance, one Atlantic Tournament Championship, and 4 regular season titles in 5 years of playing at full D-II schedule is no big achievement. The fact these guys sound so much like Remy is why I really have no patients with them.
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
Scott you hit just about every point right on the head, but its going to fall on deaf ears, we have been trying to talk sense in these folks for years. I am going to take it a step further and say;
<b>Hey people get ready to get more frustrated because this is not the kind of team that is going to run away with the league.</b>
This is a team which still should have two players like a Tyler Brennar and Chris Tanev. I don’t care who you have, those are two players that are hard to replace. There is a lot of talent on this team, but the coaches and player are still trying to figure out how to win with it consistently. It is tough without a bonafide goal scorer, trust me I am frustrated too that with play makers like Cameron Burt, and guys who showed flashes of goal scoring touch like Mitchell, Lynch, and Colevecchia are not scoring more. But sometimes that is the way it goes.
Regardless, this teams only chance to get to the NCAAs was via winning the AHA Tournament. They have beaten the top team in the standings, and took both games against the team many consider to be the best from the east. They sit third and are one good winning streak away from trying to run down Air Force which they did in the year they tied Air Force for the regular season title. They came from something like 10 points back to catch the Falcons. So yes given past success it has been a frustrating year, but we don’t need to hit the panic button yet.
I think what is truly ironic is that if this was the start back in the old D-III days we would certainly be hitting the panic button at this point. There is a definite disconnect between RIT fans that go back to the D-III days and the younger generation of RIT fans. You all most think it be the other way around. Back in the day, there was no parity there was only maybe a third of the games that you worried about RIT losing the game, and that was only if they where having an off year. Most of the game you would expect RIT to win, not 3-2, but 10-2 mostly.
What keeps things in perspective for me is the experience of watching RIT play most games not sold out, against team no body every heard of and at places like the Geneva Recreation Facility. Against teams that people expected to be more over matched by RIT than the 1980 USA Olympic team was against the Soviets.
I think we need to lock all the “RIT is under achieving” (or in Powers case just beam him into the room) in a room with Remy. Maybe they all can agree that a frozen four appearance, one Atlantic Tournament Championship, and 4 regular season titles in 5 years of playing at full D-II schedule is no big achievement. The fact these guys sound so much like Remy is why I really have no patients with them.
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redhotzep96
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Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
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I should clear up that my "HEY! WE SUCK!" post was totally a joke. You all took it too seriously. Although I would like to win a little more
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
I should clear up that my "HEY! WE SUCK!" post was totally a joke. You all took it too seriously. Although I would like to win a little more
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I think in both radio and TV interviews, Wayne Wilson and Brian Hills have been pretty up front about it. You act on here like they don't notice, don't care, and won't address it on the ice or in the media.
Wilson's post-game interviews are part of RIT News' weekly podcast, so if you don't hear them live, you can listen later.
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I think in both radio and TV interviews, Wayne Wilson and Brian Hills have been pretty up front about it. You act on here like they don't notice, don't care, and won't address it on the ice or in the media.
Wilson's post-game interviews are part of RIT News' weekly podcast, so if you don't hear them live, you can listen later.
OrangeBruin
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Maybe next time you need to add a /sarcasm tag so everybody understands. I could see how people could have taken it out of context, but, yeah, people need to calm down. You can't overreact to every loss. The team usually plays better in January and closes well. Remember the team has never played an AHA playoff game outside of Rochester.
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
I should clear up that my "HEY! WE SUCK!" post was totally a joke. You all took it too seriously. Although I would like to win a little more
Maybe next time you need to add a /sarcasm tag so everybody understands. I could see how people could have taken it out of context, but, yeah, people need to calm down. You can't overreact to every loss. The team usually plays better in January and closes well. Remember the team has never played an AHA playoff game outside of Rochester.
StimulisRK
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Thanks for the info; So will RIT ever be allowed to give out scholarships? Other people have mentioned it's because RIT isn't DI in every sport.
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
Thanks for the info; So will RIT ever be allowed to give out scholarships? Other people have mentioned it's because RIT isn't DI in every sport.
redhotzep96
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That is true.
Re: >>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR
That is true.
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