>>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR

[Ed Trefzger]

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It was funny though to hear Ed and Scott trying to come up with extra material to keep talking about while they waited for Wayne. Oh Randy we could have used you on Saturday Night…

Yeah ... while we were vamping to fill time, he already would have had a table.

 

[Tom Naeger]

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Yeah ... while we were vamping to fill time, he already would have had a table.

And I would have already bought a round for him, and he would have been on his third by the time you guys rolled in... I miss those old days at Wild Wings...

 

[ken66]

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RPI comes into town on Friday at 2-10/1-4 ECAC in last place. They've had a week off after losing to Union 5-1 at home last Tuesday. Perusing their thread here, I found an assessment of their season so far from one fan as a team that isn't getting scoring from their upperclassmen, depending more and more on freshmen forwards, and trying to overcome some early-season injuries. Gee, who does that sound like?

 

[Tom Naeger]

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What's up with these NAHL recruits? Why are we recruiting from Tier II. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't our whole team Tier I? (USHL & BCHL mostly)

Kind of confused by your comment, he is the only one we have, first I can remember off the top of my head from the NAHL.

Our friends from Air Force seem to disagree with you there, they have grabbed a lot of NAHL recruits and already have 8 for this year and next. There have been some notable NAHL player last couple of years, most notable is Nathan Longpre from Robert Morris, followed by Tim Kirby of Air Force. Garrett Bartus did some good things at UCONN when he was thrown into the fire there. And current Canisius captain Scott Moser is from the NAHL.

If you go over the list you see guys from the NAHL going to power house schools, maybe not as many as the USHL & BCHL but still shows there talent in that league. And just because you get guys from the USHL or BCHL doesn't mean they will be your best players. Look at last year senior class. If you go back to their recuriting class you had Mike Janda & Sean Murphy from the USHL. And I know he didn't play his senior year, but Tyler Mazzei came out of the BCHL. Also in that class was Tyler Brenner (MWJHL) & Andrew Favot (OPJHL).

I guess Herb Brooks would have said, not looking for the best leagues just the right ones....

 

[RITMRC Tiger]

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D&C article on our two new local recruits:

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20111123/SPORTS09/111230316/Daniel-Schuler-Woody-Hudson-Matt-Lane-Riley-Bourbonnais-NCAA?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CSports

 

[Tweedle Dee]

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Bourbonnais plays for the Cedar Rapids RoughRiders of the USHL. He narrowed his collegiate choices to RPI and RIT before committing to the Engineers. RIT's inability to offer an athletic scholarship played into his decision.
"I liked both schools but they gave me a full scholarship so that worked out well for me and my parents," Bourbonnais said. "They've got a growing program and it's exciting to be part of that."
Bourbonnais' father, John, played on RIT's 1984-85 NCAA Division III championship hockey team.


"It would have been nice to see him go to RIT," John Bourbonnais said, "but it was tough for him to turn down RPI."

Well now we know we lost one becasue RIT can't give athletic scholarships.

 

[RITProf]

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Well now we know we lost one becasue RIT can't give athletic scholarships.

The article says it was a factor, not the cause. Maybe he really wanted to go to RPI, maybe he wanted to play in the ECAC, maybe the family has too much $$ for RIT to offer a good aid package? Probably a little bit of each. We've also gained some because they preferred their RIT offer to an athletic scholarship. It can, and does of course, go both ways.

 

[Tom Naeger]

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The article says it was a factor, not the cause. Maybe he really wanted to go to RPI, maybe he wanted to play in the ECAC, maybe the family has too much $$ for RIT to offer a good aid package? Probably a little bit of each. We've also gained some because they preferred their RIT offer to an athletic scholarship. It can, and does of course, go both ways.

They said that he got a full athletic scholarship, trust me that was the deciding factor, no aid package can beat free...

This is an issue, yes sometime the aid packages will work in RIT favor, but for really elite talent your kidding yourself. Why I have said many time part of the goal needs to be bringing the entire school D-I, it would be good not only for hockey but the whole school in general. For the size of the school, RIT should be a D-I Program, it also be great for Rochester...

 

[MattS]

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They said that he got a full athletic scholarship, trust me that was the deciding factor, no aid package can beat free...

This is an issue, yes sometime the aid packages will work in RIT favor, but for really elite talent your kidding yourself. Why I have said many time part of the goal needs to be bringing the entire school D-I, it would be good not only for hockey but the whole school in general. For the size of the school, RIT should be a D-I Program, it also be great for Rochester...

It's not too often I completely agree with Tom, but he is absolutely correct on this.

 

[redhotzep96]

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They said that he got a full athletic scholarship, trust me that was the deciding factor, no aid package can beat free...

This is an issue, yes sometime the aid packages will work in RIT favor, but for really elite talent your kidding yourself. Why I have said many time part of the goal needs to be bringing the entire school D-I, it would be good not only for hockey but the whole school in general. For the size of the school, RIT should be a D-I Program, it also be great for Rochester...

Hear, hear!!

 

[WestsideTigersFan]

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I have to admit, for once, I agree with Tom 1000%. The athletics program needs to be DI across the board.

 

[komey1]

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And as soon as one of us wins the lottery - it will be.

And yes, I wish it were too. I'm grateful that we got DI hockey when I never thought THAT would happen.

 

[RITProf]

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1. I never said anything about "really elite talent". Those guys aren't debating between RIT and RPI.

2. I'm not kidding myself at all. It is not at all unusual that RIT's packages are more attractive than a year-to-year athletic scholarship. Free is free; the deal attached to it can be an issue. (e.g. My children can attend RIT for "free", but I might actually choose to pay something for them to go somewhere else depending on the situations. So, yes, "free" can be beaten.)

3. I also didn't say anything about the whole program being DI. Yes, that would be nice, but Komey hit it on the head ... and it would take an awfully large lottery.

4. It amazes (and scares) me that you all are absolutely sure what this kid and his family were thinking and how they made their decision based on the tiny bit of information in the article. Without more facts, all any of us can do is speculate.

And ... Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!

(hoping for a win on Friday for dessert)

 

[Tweedle Dee]

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4. It amazes (and scares) me that you all are absolutely sure what this kid and his family were thinking and how they made their decision based on the tiny bit of information in the article. Without more facts, all any of us can do is speculate.

I agree with everything but this. His father said it would be nice if he went to RIT. I'm assuming your a parent so I know that you know that when a parent says "it would be nice" to/about their son it is what they wanted him to do. It's the sarcasm every parent uses.

 

[LtPowers]

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So what's the big deal about D-I? What does enrollment size have to do with what division a school should be in? What advantage is there for a career-oriented undergraduate-oriented non-research-oriented university to spend the money on a D-I athletic program?

Certainly having D-I hockey has helped improve the university's profile, but it seems like the gain from moving all of our sports would be minimal compared to the loss of academic focus.


Powers &8^]

 

[blazer777]

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1. I never said anything about "really elite talent". Those guys aren't debating between RIT and RPI.

2. I'm not kidding myself at all. It is not at all unusual that RIT's packages are more attractive than a year-to-year athletic scholarship. Free is free; the deal attached to it can be an issue. (e.g. My children can attend RIT for "free", but I might actually choose to pay something for them to go somewhere else depending on the situations. So, yes, "free" can be beaten.)

3. I also didn't say anything about the whole program being DI. Yes, that would be nice, but Komey hit it on the head ... and it

And ... Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!

(hoping for a win on Friday for dessert)

I agree with your point on this one. When my son was deciding colleges, he could have gone to a few state colleges and others for a lot less money but RIT's package and reputation for education was the deciding factor. It's not always about the upfront money but the end result of 6+ years of education that we really focused on.

As far as desert, I'll take a win as well and some of that pumpkin pie!

 

[komey1]

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So what's the big deal about D-I? What does enrollment size have to do with what division a school should be in? What advantage is there for a career-oriented undergraduate-oriented non-research-oriented university to spend the money on a D-I athletic program?

Certainly having D-I hockey has helped improve the university's profile, but it seems like the gain from moving all of our sports would be minimal compared to the loss of academic focus.

Powers &8^]

Hoops and Lax would benefit from DI, as those sports get air time on TV regularly. It is debatable about the loss of academic focus.

 

[JRZ DVLS]

So what's the big deal about D-I? What does enrollment size have to do with what division a school should be in? What advantage is there for a career-oriented undergraduate-oriented non-research-oriented university to spend the money on a D-I athletic program?

Certainly having D-I hockey has helped improve the university's profile, but it seems like the gain from moving all of our sports would be minimal compared to the loss of academic focus.


Powers &8^]

This sounds exactly like the argument Simone had in the early 2000's. Hasn't seemed to affect the academics at all, but has boosted the non existent school pride in both students and alumni. The FF was huge PR for the school especially with the emphasis melrose was making about the academics of the school.

 

[LtPowers]

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This sounds exactly like the argument Simone had in the early 2000's. Hasn't seemed to affect the academics at all, but has boosted the non existent school pride in both students and alumni. The FF was huge PR for the school especially with the emphasis melrose was making about the academics of the school.

Absolutely, but there's a big difference between moving one sport up -- being able to focus resources on that one sport -- versus having the move the whole program up. That's a huge investment, and risks losing focus on what we do well -- hockey and career preparation -- for a benefit that isn't at all clear.

It seems to me that there's a reason why other schools like CC, Clarkson, St. Lawrence, Union, and RPI haven't moved their entire programs up, and RIT would be wise to take that into account.


Powers &8^]

 

[Rochester]

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Absolutely, but there's a big difference between moving one sport up -- being able to focus resources on that one sport -- versus having the move the whole program up. That's a huge investment, and risks losing focus on what we do well -- hockey and career preparation -- for a benefit that isn't at all clear.

It seems to me that there's a reason why other schools like CC, Clarkson, St. Lawrence, Union, and RPI haven't moved their entire programs up, and RIT would be wise to take that into account.


Powers &8^]

One thing that RIT has going for them is all the others schools don't have a 1.2 million metropolitan area with no other D1 schools or major league sports teams to compete with. The investment should be looked into carefully but RIT is a big school and Rochester has a big metro.