RIT/Army incident

[mookie1995]

Re: RIT/Army incident

And yet did not apologize for the behavior of his own team.

did they (players and coaches) yell profanities that could be heard by the fans?!?

that's all he apologized for, not general behavior (badness). as i read it vulgar words and behavior (flipping fingers?).

i'd guess if a Cadet did that, he'd be in big trouble....

 

[mookie1995]

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Why does RIT hate America?

if you lived that close to buffalo, you'd hate everything too (just ask shrader).

 

[Red Cloud]

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I was at the game Saturday night and first let me say that the elbow was likely one of the worst intent to injure plays that I've seen in college hockey. The kid from RIT deserves at the very least to be suspended for the remainder of the season.

Given such a hit, especially on a kid who just returned from a concussion (yes, I know the RIT player likely didn't know that), I can see the game breaking down into a melee. The Army player was wrong for dropping the gloves and deserves whatever suspension he gets.

As far as the crowd is concerned, anyone who hasn't been to a game at West Point has to realize that it's a different experience than any other arena in college hockey. There is NO profanity from the crowd. It's a family environment and even when a good number of cadets show up, there is a strict conduct code in place. Occasionally you'll hear an off-color comment from a hockey dad but that's about it. I'm not an Army "fan" as I'm a Clarkson graduate, but I go to several games a year since it's right down the road from me.

I was seated near the RIT bench but not close enough to be within earshot of the players. There were no comments that I heard made by the fans other than boos and a couple of comments about goon hockey and surprisingly no profanity given the events. I did notice a few gestures being made by the players as they cleared the ice, particularly one that a WCHA coach or NY Jets head coach may be familiar with.

I have never seen anything but respect shown for the opponents from the crowd at West Point. This incident Saturday night, clearly fueled by RIT, was embarrassing to a program that prides itself on the family experience.

Having been to a pair of games at Tate Rink, I can confirm that Army offers easily the most family friendly atmosphere I've yet seen in college hockey and that is thanks in no small part to the code of conduct that cadets are expected to live by. That, in turn, tends to soften the visiting fans as well.

 

[LtPowers]

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This incident Saturday night, clearly fueled by RIT, was embarrassing to a program that prides itself on the family experience.

Clearly fueled by RIT? You mean the elbow? I wasn't there, but how does Mazur throwing an elbow justify Smith getting gooned by Ikkala and a DQ from the refs?

Let the refs handle the elbowing call.


Powers &8^]

 

[Tom Naeger]

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did they (players and coaches) yell profanities that could be heard by the fans?!?

If you really think that during that altercation that the Army players did not have any choice words about the "weather" then your as naive as the Army AD. Not to mention it did not take a professional lip reader to know that several fans in the arena were yelling profanities and I did not see one Usher do anything.

I was at the game Saturday night and first let me say that the elbow was likely one of the worst intent to injure plays that I've seen in college hockey. The kid from RIT deserves at the very least to be suspended for the remainder of the season.

Given such a hit, especially on a kid who just returned from a concussion (yes, I know the RIT player likely didn't know that), I can see the game breaking down into a melee. The Army player was wrong for dropping the gloves and deserves whatever suspension he gets.

As far as the crowd is concerned, anyone who hasn't been to a game at West Point has to realize that it's a different experience than any other arena in college hockey. There is NO profanity from the crowd. It's a family environment and even when a good number of cadets show up, there is a strict conduct code in place. Occasionally you'll hear an off-color comment from a hockey dad but that's about it. I'm not an Army "fan" as I'm a Clarkson graduate, but I go to several games a year since it's right down the road from me.

I was seated near the RIT bench but not close enough to be within earshot of the players. There were no comments that I heard made by the fans other than boos and a couple of comments about goon hockey and surprisingly no profanity given the events. I did notice a few gestures being made by the players as they cleared the ice, particularly one that a WCHA coach or NY Jets head coach may be familiar with.

I have never seen anything but respect shown for the opponents from the crowd at West Point. This incident Saturday night, clearly fueled by RIT, was embarrassing to a program that prides itself on the family experience.

They should be embarassed byt the actions of Ikkala, but O man, get off your high horse. Your fans are not “holier than thou”. I’ve heard a couple of stories about West Point that makes them look like NY City fans. Does this reflect on all of the Army fans, no, but not all of them are angels. There actually were a few good trash talking stories I heard when RIT first visited Tate Rink and Army was one of the better teams in the Atlantic.

I will give you some slack on that I missed the Al Muzar hit at the end. He is a great player who hardly gets involved in altercations like that and we will just skip the charge that could have been a major that was not called when an Army guy crushed Alexin with the puck nowhere near him....

But hey guys, boys will be boys. And you making stuff up, I watched the RIT players leave the ice. There were some dismissive waves at the crowd but that’s about it, I did not see any birds get flashed. Riley and Wilson sure did not react like what was going on was so terrible. They both shock hands like, well hey boys will be boys.

I am just in shocked by this entire controversy, I’ve seen a lot more profanity thrown around High School games I have umpired. I am going out on a limb here and thinking this is not the general opinion of many of those enlisted in the Army. If I am wrong then I am certainly thankful that we still have the Marines for when the enemy throw profanity at us…

 

[hockeyjunkie10]

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Clearly fueled by RIT? You mean the elbow? I wasn't there, but how does Mazur throwing an elbow justify Smith getting gooned by Ikkala and a DQ from the refs?

Let the refs handle the elbowing call.


Powers &8^]

The problem is that the refs, and the AHA, haven't handled the elbowing issues. RIT has been throwing vicious elbows all year long. This is obviously the brand of hockey they choose to play.

RIT is the best barn to visit in the AHA, and one of the best in college hockey. You RIT fans are passionate and exciting. But the cheap shots thrown by your hockey team are a problem. They are classless, and need to be addressed before someone ends up like Mikael Tam.

 

[cplinford]

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The problem is that the refs, and the AHA, haven't handled the elbowing issues. RIT has been throwing vicious elbows all year long. This is obviously the brand of hockey they choose to play.

RIT is the best barn to visit in the AHA, and one of the best in college hockey. You RIT fans are passionate and exciting. But the cheap shots thrown by your hockey team are a problem. They are classless, and need to be addressed before someone ends up like Mikael Tam.

That's a pretty big accusation to toss out there without anything to back it up. You go through and compile all the elbowing penalties for all the teams in the AHA and see who comes out on top?

 

[Red Cloud]

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That's a pretty big accusation to toss out there without anything to back it up. You go through and compile all the elbowing penalties for all the teams in the AHA and see who comes out on top?

Hooray for righteous indignation!

 

[Stompey5]

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The problem is that the refs, and the AHA, haven't handled the elbowing issues. RIT has been throwing vicious elbows all year long. This is obviously the brand of hockey they choose to play.

RIT is the best barn to visit in the AHA, and one of the best in college hockey. You RIT fans are passionate and exciting. But the cheap shots thrown by your hockey team are a problem. They are classless, and need to be addressed before someone ends up like Mikael Tam.

You've seen every RIT game where they've thrown elbows? Not to mention you've seen enough of the rest of the league to see that they aren't the only team who gets called for elbowing?

 

[kbranch]

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The problem is that the refs, and the AHA, haven't handled the elbowing issues. RIT has been throwing vicious elbows all year long. This is obviously the brand of hockey they choose to play.

Besides the elbow by Mazur would you care to point out some specifics please?

 

[hockeyjunkie10]

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Besides the elbow by Mazur would you care to point out some specifics please?

In 30 games, RIT has 18 elbowing or CTH penalties (we will group them together as they are basically everything around the head area) for 42 total minutes. They have received at least one elbowing/CTH penalty in more than half of their games and two or more on 4 occasions. Taylor McReynolds recieved a 5 minute major and a game misconduct for CTH-Elbowing on November 21st.

 

[cplinford]

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In 30 games, RIT has 18 elbowing or CTH penalties (we will group them together as they are basically everything around the head area) for 42 total minutes. They have received at least one elbowing/CTH penalty in more than half of their games and two or more on 4 occasions. Taylor McReynolds recieved a 5 minute major and a game misconduct for CTH-Elbowing on November 21st.

How about you can't cause CTH does not mean always mean elbowing. And anything involving McReynolds should be considered separately

Quick look at overall PIM counts for AHA teams both Canisius and Mercyhurst have significantly more penalties than RIT so how you just worry about your own team?

 

[hockeyjunkie10]

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How about you can't cause CTH does not mean always mean elbowing. And anything involving McReynolds should be considered separately

Quick look at overall PIM counts for AHA teams both Canisius and Mercyhurst have significantly more penalties than RIT so how you just worry about your own team?

Well CTH obviously means to the head and elbowing is generally around the head area which is the point of the original comment. The two are essentially in the same category. I can see Canisius and Mercyhurst being more penalized but its the type of penalty that is of concern.

Your dismissal of the actions of McReynolds are essentially cementing my original point. You are effectively acknowleding the brand of hockey that he plays. I don't think a player who played parts of four years of junior in the AJ, SJ and USHL recording 52 total points and 621 penalty minutes was brought to RIT for his goal scoring touch...

 

[kbranch]

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How about you can't cause CTH does not mean always mean elbowing. And anything involving McReynolds should be considered separately

Quick look at overall PIM counts for AHA teams both Canisius and Mercyhurst have significantly more penalties than RIT so how you just worry about your own team?

Considering that RIT plays half of their games in the smallest rink in the AHA if not all of college hockey, it is no surprise that they play a physical style of hockey. But when you consider that RIT only 23rd in PIMs out of 58 DI programs you can hardly say that playing dirty is their trademark.

 

[Tom Naeger]

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In 30 games, RIT has 18 elbowing or CTH penalties (we will group them together as they are basically everything around the head area) for 42 total minutes. They have received at least one elbowing/CTH penalty in more than half of their games and two or more on 4 occasions. Taylor McReynolds recieved a 5 minute major and a game misconduct for CTH-Elbowing on November 21st.

"Contact to the head" is a point of emphasis this year, and I have talked to many coaches, players, and media types who seem to agree with me that they are over doing it, which they always do with the points of emphasis. They are becoming to much like the IIHF.

This has caused everyones penalties for contact to the head to go up. RIT is an agressive team who plays a high tempo game, as an effect they will get some calls like this, but they are hardly throwing cheap shots. McReynolds is that kind of player you need to disturb things, he does take more penalties than I would like, but I have to say he bothers me a lot less then a Steve Avery or Patrick Kaleta type player.

Deacon Jones once said, "You have to serve Justice, if you don't your going to be kicked around the league..."

That is the kind of game hockey is, so much goes on during a game that it boils over. There is a code but this is game for big boys, if you can't handle it there always curling...

 

[cplinford]

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Well CTH obviously means to the head and elbowing is generally around the head area which is the point of the original comment. The two are essentially in the same category. I can see Canisius and Mercyhurst being more penalized but its the type of penalty that is of concern.

Your dismissal of the actions of McReynolds are essentially cementing my original point. You are effectively acknowleding the brand of hockey that he plays. I don't think a player who played parts of four years of junior in the AJ, SJ and USHL recording 52 total points and 621 penalty minutes was brought to RIT for his goal scoring touch...

I counted 9 total elbowing RIT penalties, 1 attributed to McReynolds. Yeah he was brought in to bang bodies around, this is hockey but he doesn't go around throwing cheap elbows.

Interesting there was 3 CTH/elbowing penalties for Army compared to 1 for RIT during this last weekend series...

 

[Chris Lerch]

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I think (and i am biased as the dad of two players over 6-3) that some CTH is the result of height differential. It is there to protect smaller players and one can't glean intent or viscousness from a box score. Throwing a shoulder check at a level height may or may not be a penalty based on the size of the players in question.

As to this incident, IMHO the Army AD was personally involved in this (according to media he "got in the face" of the RIT coaches on the ice after the game) and should have stuck to commenting (or not) on his own team. More in my column this week.

 

[RITProf]

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Well, clearly RIT has arrived as DI team ... we have irrational haters at this level now, too!

 

[Chris Lerch]

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Well, clearly RIT has arrived as DI team ... we have irrational haters at this level now, too!

At least one will be happy to know that I am tired of mocking the manufactured enthusiasm that's a part of the most overrated annual college hockey "event" - the Big Red Freakout. I usually make fun of it in my column each season, but it's getting old. RIT and dozens of other schools have this every week. It's known as "fans getting excited at a hockey game".

I'll still mock it on the radio, though.

 

[Red Cloud]

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At least one will be happy to know that I am tired of mocking the manufactured enthusiasm that's a part of the most overrated annual college hockey "event" - the Big Red Freakout. I usually make fun of it in my column each season, but it's getting old. RIT and dozens of other schools have this every week. It's known as "fans getting excited at a hockey game".

I'll still mock it on the radio, though.

Jealousy is a stinky cologne, Chris. I will miss your yearly hilarious misunderstanding of/obsession with the Freakout.