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RIT/Army incident

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Red Cloud said:
Jealousy is a stinky cologne, Chris. I will miss your yearly hilarious misunderstanding of/obsession with the Freakout.
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It started with me teasing Moy about including it in the USCHO schedule every year in the place we have reserved for tournaments, playoff games, etc. I told him I wanted every homecoming/trinket handout game at every school included. I've been to the freakout, and I've been to about 20 other rinks for regular season games that had a better atmosphere, including some D-III places.

PS Army is not one of them. Good for them for promoting a G-rated product, but it does tend to take away some of the enthusiasm. Still, great rink and a great place to see a game, especially when the cadets are out in force. Best rink in the AHA, but not the most exciting.
 
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cplinford said:
I counted 9 total elbowing RIT penalties, 1 attributed to McReynolds. Yeah he was brought in to bang bodies around, this is hockey but he doesn't go around throwing cheap elbows.

Interesting there was 3 CTH/elbowing penalties for Army compared to 1 for RIT during this last weekend series...
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And for the Army fans who live in glass houses, check out the number of boarding calls against your team this year before you start throwing stones. Bunch of hypocritical hack goons. :p :rolleyes:
 
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Chris Lerch said:
PS Army is not one of them. Good for them for promoting a G-rated product, but it does tend to take away some of the enthusiasm. Still, great rink and a great place to see a game, especially when the cadets are out in force. Best rink in the AHA, but not the most exciting.
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This, I can agree with, but it's what they aim for there so I can at least respect that.
 
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Chris Lerch said:
PS Army is not one of them. Good for them for promoting a G-rated product, but it does tend to take away some of the enthusiasm. Still, great rink and a great place to see a game, especially when the cadets are out in force. Best rink in the AHA, but not the most exciting.
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Thats one thing I was dissapointed in was the lack of Cadets at the game. Was like trying to find Waldo all most. My Girlfriend asked me if they keep the kids so busy they that they do not have time to come to the game. The first thing she said after the game was RIT has the better atmosphere. I understand what Army is trying to do, but what they have really done is created more of a pro feel to the game. And its not nearly as G Rated as they think they are...

The revelation of the AD getting in the faces of the RIT coaches really shows how emotional and thoughtless his remarks were. He should apologies for his embarassing actions...
 
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Tom, you are 100% correct that they do keep the cadets that busy. When I was closer to the Academy, they had requirements that the non-athlete cadets attend sporting events but USMA has so many sports that most schools don't have that a good percentage of the cadets are considered student-athletes. There are also so many events to attend that very few want to take their Friday or Saturday night to attend a game as that is "their" time.

As far as the G rated atmosphere is concerned, you are also correct that the athletic department wishes to keep a family atmosphere at most of its sporting venues because the Academy doesn't have much of a community connection. College sports aren't big in this area and in the winter the focus is generally on the very successful Marist women's basketball team. Army hockey markets itself to families, youth hockey teams, and local scout groups. It does take away from the atmosphere (trust me, when I attend a Clarkson game, I turn from a rather respectable 35 year old to a yelling screaming fanatic) but that's what works for them. I go to a number of their games not for the atmosphere but because I love college hockey. If the two worst teams in the country were playing nearby, I'd go to see them.

There is some level of profanity on the ice and from the crowd in college hockey. I know that and I generally expect it. I don't think you hear it off the ice at West Point nearly as much as any other venue I've been to in college hockey (except maybe Princeton, if you want to talk about boring atmosphere). Profanity and gestures directed to the fans in any event are unacceptable.

I'm surprised as a high school baseball official that you would let this kind of activity go. I know in Section IX we try to limit profanity as best we can but we expect some of it amongst the players on the bench or under their breath to themselves. If there is ever any profanity directed to the other team, the officials, or the fans, the offenders are immediately ejected. Having umpired at state tournament levels, I know not every part of the state is quite so strict.
 
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This is a bit off track but I had an interesting experience to relate regarding Army hockey. I went on the USMA athletics website to purchase tickets for Union's game there just after New Year's. I enjoyed my first visit to the Academy in several decades and was only disappointed that due to darkness I could not take in any of the sights. The atmosphere was definitely fan and family friendly though they did confiscate some food I brought with me on my way in, not a big deal, I can always do without a few calories. ;)

Anyway a week or so ago I received an e-mail from Army athletics warning me in a friendly way not to interfere with or take affirmative action in the athlete recruiting process as it could be a violation of NCAA regulations. I was kind of stunned by this as I'd never seen anything like it before, and of course it wasn't on my radar. In some ways, I see the fan apology to be in the same vein. Maybe this athletic department is just cut from a different cloth.
 
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I got the same email Wholin, though I thought it was only sent out to the Army "A Club". I'm a member of the A Club as I hold season tickets for football. I know that several schools send out an annual (or periodic) email to their athletic boosters regarding NCAA regulations. I'm surprised you got one just for purchasing a ticket to a single game though.
 
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we've found the atmosphere at the Air Force Academy games to be very family friendly. yelling "you suck" isn't done. we tried the "who cares" at the opponents intros and got dirty looks. its different from what we are used to at Michigan Tech, but, yes, the cadets are held to much different standards.
 
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FireKnight said:
I'm surprised as a high school baseball official that you would let this kind of activity go. I know in Section IX we try to limit profanity as best we can but we expect some of it amongst the players on the bench or under their breath to themselves. If there is ever any profanity directed to the other team, the officials, or the fans, the offenders are immediately ejected. Having umpired at state tournament levels, I know not every part of the state is quite so strict.
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I think any good high school official know that this can be a grey area sometimes, and black and white at other times. I need to be careful cause what I say can reflect against my organization. There are times for warning and times for ejections. There are even more times for common sense. I know many officials in High School who have looked the other way if there was a profanity said in frustration of how they play. The old unwritten baseball rule has been minor profanity can be over looked, but if they put you or another player before or after a profanity they are going to get run.

Some Organizations, maybe even some in my own would disagree with me and that is fine. I have always decide to try to be a common sense official, I played long time, I know what it is like, I know when someone is showing me up, and that when they will get run. If they respect me, they will get a good long time to talk with me about anything...
 
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It appears GoArmySports has taken down the link to the Apology Letter. You can still type in the direct link and search it out, but a link to the letter on GoArmySports is nowhere to be seen...
 
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Tom Naeger said:
I think any good high school official know that this can be a grey area sometimes, and black and white at other times. I need to be careful cause what I say can reflect against my organization. There are times for warning and times for ejections. There are even more times for common sense. I know many officials in High School who have looked the other way if there was a profanity said in frustration of how they play. The old unwritten baseball rule has been minor profanity can be over looked, but if they put you or another player before or after a profanity they are going to get run....
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that was a cocksucking call.

did you just call me a **********?

no, i said that was a cocksucking call.

did you just call me a **********?

is that what you want? do you want me to call you a **********?

say it?

do you?

say it?

do you?

say it?

:eek: :D :eek: :D
 
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Tom Naeger said:
Thats one thing I was dissapointed in was the lack of Cadets at the game. Was like trying to find Waldo all most. My Girlfriend asked me if they keep the kids so busy they that they do not have time to come to the game.
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As it was Presidents Day weekend most of the cadets had a 4-day pass and were not on campus.
 
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PLEASE let these two teams meet in the playoffs. We'll gladly take whoever survives/is still eligible at Blue Cross.

P.S. Most soldiers I've met curse like mother****ers.
 
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Chris Lerch said:
At least one will be happy to know that I am tired of mocking the manufactured enthusiasm that's a part of the most overrated annual college hockey "event" - the Big Red Freakout. I usually make fun of it in my column each season, but it's getting old. RIT and dozens of other schools have this every week. It's known as "fans getting excited at a hockey game".

I'll still mock it on the radio, though.
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Taken from RIT Athletics website: "The Student Athlete Advisory Committee (SAAC) is sponsoring a “white out” at the Men’s hockey game on Saturday, February 20 against Air Force. SAAC will be giving away white t-shirts to everyone coming to the game in order to create a “white out” in the crowd." Keep telling yourself that you are above promotional events.

PS - RPI fans get excited and create a great atmosphere at every game, not just the Freakout. The Freakout just brings it to a new level. We're not talking about Union here.
 
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yarblockers said:
Taken from RIT Athletics website: "The Student Athlete Advisory Committee (SAAC) is sponsoring a “white out” at the Men’s hockey game on Saturday, February 20 against Air Force. SAAC will be giving away white t-shirts to everyone coming to the game in order to create a “white out” in the crowd." Keep telling yourself that you are above promotional events.

PS - RPI fans get excited and create a great atmosphere at every game, not just the Freakout. The Freakout just brings it to a new level. We're not talking about Union here.
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RIT is not above promotional events - we do them often. Most notably 'Make the Rink Pink', raising $21,000 to fight cancer. But promotions aren't the reason people come to the games and we don't need promotions to get people excited about hockey at the Ritter.
 
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I was able to catch the Army games at home against Bentley this year, and I'll be the first to admit that Army is a tremendous program with some great people. I got to talk to Coach Wilson before both games, and he is a genuinely nice person. It was a great weekend of hockey, and the fandom for both Bentley and Army were fantastic.

To the man who said that Army is apologizing for the Vietnam War - this is not the forum and your comments are not appreciated. That, to me, is a slap in the face of all the men and women who gave their souls overseas in that conflict and the following conflicts. And you're the only one I'm singling out on this because that is totally uncalled for, and you have no right to say something like that.

I haven't been to Tate Rink, but the hospitality of the Black Knight staff has put that on my list of road trips in the coming years. Their staff were great to work with at Bentley, and I echo the sentiment that this is because of the rigors and discipline the team has to live with at the Academy. We have some pretty solid goons on Bentley's team, but the weekend was just a great weekend of hockey and enjoyable for everyone.

That said, I think this is a growing concern among fans at hockey games. I took in the Bentley-Holy Cross games this weekend at both the JAR and out at the Hart Center. Bentley is notorious for not having a great following, but their fans sit well out of earshot of other fans and do not cause a terrible ruckus. In 2 years associated with Bentley, I haven't heard many expletives thrown out onto the ice singling out players in that manner, and we've had some pretty bad blood bath games against teams like Canisius.

Holy Cross was another thing. Their students were unpoliced, leaning over the boards and shouting verbal attacks at the Bentley players (parents - hockey parents at that - even said that some of it crossed lines). They made it a point to stand right next to the Bentley bench and yell at the team, in front of Bentley fans, students, and players. I was appalled, and I made mention after the game to nobody in particular that it was classless. There's a fine line between being a fan chanting "Sieve" or "It's All Your Fault" or even "BC sucks!" (at a BU Terrier game) or any of the standard hockey chants and whatever it was that was shouted at RIT and at Holy Cross. There's no place for that in sports.
 
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