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What if good cops actually stopped protecting bad cops?
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Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!
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What if good cops actually stopped protecting bad cops?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!
Actually, it is an argument. I agree with you it is not an excuse -- at least not for everything. But if you don't think that, say, property crime is explained in large part by poverty, or that cultural crimes like drug laws aren't in large part about power structures, Robert K. Merton and one hundred years of hard data would like a word with you.
Actually, it is an argument. I agree with you it is not an excuse -- at least not for everything. But if you don't think that, say, property crime is explained in large part by poverty, or that cultural crimes like drug laws aren't in large part about power structures, Robert K. Merton and one hundred years of hard data would like a word with you.
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walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Bye,bye union
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!
Obviously they didnt pull hard enough on their bootsraps!!
Obviously they didnt pull hard enough on their bootsraps!!
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!
They'd lose their badge through intimidation.
They'd lose their badge through intimidation.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!
Laugh now.
Obviously they didnt pull hard enough on their bootsraps!!
Laugh now.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!
A "no bill" in Houston.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/houston-grand-jury-chooses-indict-police-officer-shooting/story?id=27795123
My only question: Is Officer Juventino Castro a "white hispanic"?
A "no bill" in Houston.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/houston-grand-jury-chooses-indict-police-officer-shooting/story?id=27795123
My only question: Is Officer Juventino Castro a "white hispanic"?
Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!
Next to impossible to get a Harris County grand jury to indict a cop. A famous case involving dead 17-year old Randall Webster, a throw down gun and a massive coverup was made into a TV movie.
Next to impossible to get a Harris County grand jury to indict a cop. A famous case involving dead 17-year old Randall Webster, a throw down gun and a massive coverup was made into a TV movie.
omahasioux1
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Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!
What if people actually stopped celebrating thugs, blocking streets, looting, killing cops, robbing and the list goes on.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
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What if you actually answered the question? I wont hold my breathe...
What if you actually answered the question? I wont hold my breathe...
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Their job may require them to kill someone. We pay them to do that dirty job for us. You roll around in the mud with pigs (no pun intended), you're going to get a little dirty. But that's what we ask cops to do.
I feel the same way about the military. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. Not to say I won't keep an eye on them, but I am not going to apply civilian rules to them either.
I always think of Jack's "you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall" speech in A Few Good Men. Of course, in the Hollywood ending we all want, Jack is led away to serve his time because, of course, we as a society are just too good for that type of conduct. Which is all b.s. As a country, we do want them on that wall and need them on that wall, and we are going to look away because it is a dirty, d@mn job.
I agree with this 100%.
Their job may require them to kill someone. We pay them to do that dirty job for us. You roll around in the mud with pigs (no pun intended), you're going to get a little dirty. But that's what we ask cops to do.
I feel the same way about the military. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. Not to say I won't keep an eye on them, but I am not going to apply civilian rules to them either.
I always think of Jack's "you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall" speech in A Few Good Men. Of course, in the Hollywood ending we all want, Jack is led away to serve his time because, of course, we as a society are just too good for that type of conduct. Which is all b.s. As a country, we do want them on that wall and need them on that wall, and we are going to look away because it is a dirty, d@mn job.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!
Colonel Nathan R. Jessup (sort of):
Son, we live in a world that has criminals, and those criminals have to be met by cops with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for criminals, and you curse the cops. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That a criminal's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that street, you need me on that street. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very safety that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and walk a beat. Either way, I don't give a **** what you think you are entitled to.
The difference here? No one ordered a "Code Red".
Colonel Nathan R. Jessup (sort of):
Son, we live in a world that has criminals, and those criminals have to be met by cops with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for criminals, and you curse the cops. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That a criminal's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that street, you need me on that street. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very safety that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and walk a beat. Either way, I don't give a **** what you think you are entitled to.
The difference here? No one ordered a "Code Red".
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I hate to be cynical here, but violence, when successful, is always in a good cause.
Winners write the history.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!
A few days before the two NY City police officers were assassinated, a crowd was chanting:
"what do we want?"
"Dead cops."
"when do we want it?"
"Now."
and the mayor was celebrating free speech rights. This very situation is before the SCOTUS right now: when does "free speech" become "criminal menacing"?
IMHO, in this case,
a) the crowd had the right to chant what they said, as repugnant as it might be: they were speaking symbolically and not "directly" inciting an actual person to commit an actual murder (theoretically they would have been satisfied if a meteor fell from the sky or a sinkhole opened up).
b) the mayor should have made it explicitly clear that repugnant free speech, while "free", is still despicable.
A few days before the two NY City police officers were assassinated, a crowd was chanting:
"what do we want?"
"Dead cops."
"when do we want it?"
"Now."
and the mayor was celebrating free speech rights. This very situation is before the SCOTUS right now: when does "free speech" become "criminal menacing"?
IMHO, in this case,
a) the crowd had the right to chant what they said, as repugnant as it might be: they were speaking symbolically and not "directly" inciting an actual person to commit an actual murder (theoretically they would have been satisfied if a meteor fell from the sky or a sinkhole opened up).
b) the mayor should have made it explicitly clear that repugnant free speech, while "free", is still despicable.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!
You are no doubt equally outraged by this and would broadly apply it to all policemen?
What's that?
Can't hear you over the crickets.
You are no doubt equally outraged by this and would broadly apply it to all policemen?
What's that?
Can't hear you over the crickets.
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At one time, unions actually did "police" their members in order to preserve their reputation for quality. It was primarily in the building trades, electricians, plumbers, carpenters, and the like, where a sloppy job might kill people. The union members actually cared back then, because their good reputation for quality was one of their primary marketing tools.
Something similar is (very quietly) going on today with physician-owned liability insurance companies. They know who is careful and who is not and they won't offer liability coverage to the "bad apples" at any price.
At one time, unions actually did "police" their members in order to preserve their reputation for quality. It was primarily in the building trades, electricians, plumbers, carpenters, and the like, where a sloppy job might kill people. The union members actually cared back then, because their good reputation for quality was one of their primary marketing tools.
Something similar is (very quietly) going on today with physician-owned liability insurance companies. They know who is careful and who is not and they won't offer liability coverage to the "bad apples" at any price.
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Gurtholfin
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That's disgusting. Can't imagine anyone here would say otherwise.
Why should I broadly apply it to all policemen though? You lost me there...
That's disgusting. Can't imagine anyone here would say otherwise.
Why should I broadly apply it to all policemen though? You lost me there...
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