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Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

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unofan said:
The original one? I don't recall the cops doing anything of note.
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Because they didn't have tanks.

Geez, try to keep up. ;)

Just think of what cops with M103s could have done on Edmund Pettus Bridge.
 
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So now there are posters here saying racism isn't real? So long as people are willing to flat out lie, the discussion will go nowhere.
 
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unofan said:
Gee, what a surprise, the biggest cop *** kisser finds an article defending the cop and blaming the victim.

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You Stay Classy <STRIKE>San Diego</STRIKE> Omaha
 
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SteveP said:
The Garner death from an expert medical perspective

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/12/a_medical_perspective_on_the_garner_tragedy.html
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How come this information isn't more widely broadcast?

Eric Garner's death had essentially nothing to do with racism or racial animosity, particularly when one can see an African-American female sergeant, in charge at the scene, standing and observing the arrest in the background. Ultimately, as the senior officer on the scene, she was responsible for Mr. Garner's safety, although it would be unreasonable to incriminate her, either, given the obscure physiology of the chain of events that led to his unfortunate demise.
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Was she being examined by the grand jury as well?
 
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Slap Shot said:
So now there are posters here saying racism isn't real? So long as people are willing to flat out lie, the discussion will go nowhere.
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I think it's useful to draw a distinction between racism and bias. Racism is real, but relatively rare - especially among people who have acquired sufficient societal navigation skills to rise to positions of power (whether in government, industry, academia, etc). Bias, on the other hand, is not only real but pervasive. It's unconscious but does affect the little decisions that every. single. one. of us makes every day - anyone who thinks he is free from bias has not thoughtfully considered the issue.

http://www.tolerance.org/Hidden-bias
 
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Priceless said:
By no means am I an expert. Practitioner of many trades, master of none. However, I have worked among the poverty-stricken (regardless of race) and lived and worked in Dorcester, MA. I have not experienced the racism in the South other than through second-hand accounts from my mother, grandmother and others. I have seen how easy it is in predominantly white neighborhoods to get a "Slow - Children at Play" sign put up and how incredibly difficult it is to get that same sign put up in a predominantly black neighborhood. Is anyone seriously going to tell me it isn't a matter of race? Same city. Same income levels. It took 9 months and countless phone calls, letters and showing up at council meeting to get the city to put up a sign. I swear they only put it up to make us go away, not to respond to citizens of their community.

I know, I know. White guilt. Unicorns. Dr. Schweitzer. I call it empathy, compassion and just being a human being. I'm not sure why some of you can't see it, unless it's that you don't want to see it. I guess not even acknowledging it exists is more comfortable than trying to change the system. But I have skin in the game. My nephew is adopted. His mother was white, his father black. Fortunately the city where he lives now has (I believe) a fairly colorblind police force and multiracial city officials. He isn't likely to get shot and killed for playing with a toy gun. I hope he stays here when he grows up. I am not naive enough to believe the world will have changed much by then. Maybe by the time he has kids...
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No question racism exists in this country. I'm just not convinced race played a role in the Ferguson incident or the Garner incident.

In my opinion superimposing a racial component over the question of a police/citizen incident does a couple of things. One is that is has the effect of dividing people into "us" and "them". If a cop kills a citizen, we as citizens have the right and obligation to look and determine, was the action justified. But if it turns into "the white man is always killing the black man" I think you unnecessarily cause people to defend their own race, when there probably isn't even a need.

Second, it distracts from the real question, which is, was the action justified?

Playing the race card is certainly a way to get media attention, to get the attention of protestors and the like. But I wonder how much it really helps.
 
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How come this information isn't more widely broadcast?
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Because the American Thinker is the right wing equivalent of Mother Jones? While even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile, I wouldn't count on any sort of objectivity in its reporting or spin.

Especially when the actual medical examiner already ruled it a homicide, and this guy clearly doesn't understand that a victim's weaknesses don't excuse the conduct of the other person. If I punch someone in a manner that would only bruise a normal person but causes a hemophiliac to die, I'm still going to jail for a long time.
 
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aparch said:
Another non-Caucasian shot by cops...
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2014/12/08/shooting-lansing-township/20101031/

Witness says the driver was holding a gun in a non-threatening manner to alert cops he was armed before they approached the vehicle.
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How about just dropping the gun in a non-threatening manner?

There is no such thing as holding a gun in a non-threatening manner to show cops you are armed.
 
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SJHovey said:
How about just dropping the gun in a non-threatening manner?

There is no such thing as holding a gun in a non-threatening manner to show cops you are armed.
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Keep you hands in the air, you weapon holstered, and announce to the officers that you have the weapon on you when they're close enough to see that you're not a threat; that's the smart way to handle the situation.
 
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LynahFan said:
I think it's useful to draw a distinction between racism and bias. Racism is real, but relatively rare - especially among people who have acquired sufficient societal navigation skills to rise to positions of power (whether in government, industry, academia, etc). Bias, on the other hand, is not only real but pervasive. It's unconscious but does affect the little decisions that every. single. one. of us makes every day - anyone who thinks he is free from bias has not thoughtfully considered the issue.
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I think this is an excellent point.
 
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SJHovey said:
No question racism exists in this country. I'm just not convinced race played a role in the Ferguson incident or the Garner incident.
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Garner's widow herself isn't quite sure whether race was a factor:

The chokehold death of Eric Garner in NYPD custody wasn’t “a black-and-white thing,” his widow said Sunday....Esaw Snipes said she believed her husband was “murdered unjustly,” but said skin color wasn’t a factor behind his fatal arrest....

“I don’t even feel like it’s a black-and-white thing, honestly, you know, in my opinion,” Snipes told NBC’s “Meet the Press.”
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http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/eric-garners-widow-he-was-murdered-unjustly-n263371
 
Gurtholfin said:
Who exactly is justifying the choke hold killing or the boy in Cleveland?
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Just to bring this back up; sure looks like SteveP is, for one. Omahasioux looks to be going that way too. Jury is still out on fishy.

I just jumped the gun by a week or so.
 
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unofan said:
Just to bring this back up; sure looks like SteveP is, for one. Omahasioux looks to be going that way too. Jury is still out on fishy.

I just jumped the gun by a week or so.
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Even so, you can't lump us all together.

At the time I said that, to my knowledge, no one was trying to justify them.
 
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A lot in the media are...TDS had a lot of clips where people talked about his size, how he was overweight, had asthma...its ridiculous.

The guy died cause a cop decided to pretend he was in the WWE. The man is alive if a bunch of cops didnt use excessive force.
 
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Handyman said:
A lot in the media are...TDS had a lot of clips where people talked about his size, how he was overweight, had asthma...its ridiculous.

The guy died cause a cop decided to pretend he was in the WWE. The man is alive if a bunch of cops didnt use excessive force.
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You mean there is a reason they call it a choke hold?
 
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