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Religion: Catholics, Episcopalians, Atheists, All Are Welcome!

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For a brief moment, I considered walking into my old church in Muskegon to say hi to people and sing the old songs.

Then I realized what would happen: a lot of "I disagree with your lifestyle" without understanding what I actually do, hearing my dead name a lot, a lot of "he/him," and plenty more. There are maybe two people in that entire parish that love all of me and are ready to stand in my presence.

**** it. I'll stay down here with Grace, where I can walk in singing "TiK ToK" by Kesha and get all sorts of Mama hugs every week. With people who get me and don't think I'm just a confused boy.
 
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Speaking of Mama hugs, what I don't think several people understand is that a lot of my "Mama Bears" are Christians. My biggest allies down here are Christians. There are people down here who get it.
 
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MissThundercat said:
Speaking of Mama hugs, what I don't think several people understand is that a lot of my "Mama Bears" are Christians. My biggest allies down here are Christians. There are people down here who get it.
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Does it matter to anyone other than the "several people" what you label them? To you or your "Mama Bears?"
 
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burd said:
Does it matter to anyone other than the "several people" what you label them? To you or your "Mama Bears?"
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Let me explain further. I get asked as a trans woman "how can you still practice your faith and associate yourself with Christians even after what a church did to you" a lot. What I'm telling you is that I learned that what happened at 1624 Hoyt St in Muskegon isn't the be all, end all of Christianity. Neither is the Catholic church. Neither are Franklin Graham, Tony Perkins, and their band of *******s. And while it is easy to label all Christians as hateful *******s, there are those down here who are open and affirming. Where the message is "we love our girl and want the best for her." And all the women down here who give me big warm hugs and treated me as their daughter: Christians.
 
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MissThundercat said:
Let me explain further. I get asked as a trans woman "how can you still practice your faith and associate yourself with Christians even after what a church did to you" a lot. What I'm telling you is that I learned that what happened at 1624 Hoyt St in Muskegon isn't the be all, end all of Christianity. Neither is the Catholic church. Neither are Franklin Graham, Tony Perkins, and their band of *******s. And while it is easy to label all Christians as hateful *******s, there are those down here who are open and affirming. Where the message is "we love our girl and want the best for her." And all the women down here who give me big warm hugs and treated me as their daughter: Christians.
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Thanks for expanding, MT. What I guess I meant was, what does it matter what they are called or call themselves? They're just people, as are you and I. And if they define themselves or you by some label they attach, I doubt you have much time for them. That sounds simplistic to the point of being trite, but also true, no?
 
One thing about my church: we are being smart about things right now. The Great Lakes region has a plan for reopening, and right now, I'm hearing outdoor services may start soon, but it'll be awhile before the doors open.
 
After a friend of mine, a really good friend at that died by suicide last year, Grace Episcopal tried to heal. Hope Church was there to heal. The open and affirming churches at Holland Pride last year all tried to help me heal. A few so-called Christian friends of mine simply looked at me and said "well, we live in a fallen world." Nothing of trying to pray for us, nothing of trying to heal a broken heart, just "this world is f-cked up."
 
I have trouble with the so-called Dawkins Scale. 1 means you're a strong theist, 4 means you're pure agnostic, and 7 means strong atheist. But I don't believe anyone rates themselves a straight 1, straight 4, or straight 7. Even the strongest theists I know have doubts.
 
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I have trouble with the so-called Dawkins Scale. 1 means you're a strong theist, 4 means you're pure agnostic, and 7 means strong atheist. But I don't believe anyone rates themselves a straight 1, straight 4, or straight 7. Even the strongest theists I know have doubts.
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I'll take a 6.
 
6.999999999 for me, with God’s existence hanging on by the skin of its teeth only because of the logistical technicality that you can’t prove a negative. I am as certain that there is no god as I am that there is no bengal tiger in my bathroom right now. No, I can’t see into the bathroom to be able to prove it, but everything I have learned throughout my life tells me that it is very, very, very unlikely.
 
LynahFan said:
6.999999999 for me, with God’s existence hanging on by the skin of its teeth only because of the logistical technicality that you can’t prove a negative. I am as certain that there is no god as I am that there is no bengal tiger in my bathroom right now. No, I can’t see into the bathroom to be able to prove it, but everything I have learned throughout my life tells me that it is very, very, very unlikely.
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Russell's teapot.

That is why I took a 6. If all real numbers are permitted then I am a 6.99999 with the 9s marching off into the sunset (but not infinitely because Carnap says 6.9 repeating is 7 and he's both smarter and weirder than I).
 
Kepler said:
Russell's teapot.

That is why I took a 6. If all real numbers are permitted then I am a 6.99999 with the 9s marching off into the sunset (but not infinitely because Carnap says 6.9 repeating is 7 and he's both smarter and weirder than I).
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Yeah, but given the Drake equation, I actually think it’s more likely that someone accidentally left a bit of porcelain floating somewhere in space than it is that a tiger got into my bathroom, so I went with that.

I remember my mind being blown in 7th grade when I first encountered the proof that .9999 repeating equals 1. Been so long that I just kind of accept it now - like gravity. That should blow our minds every single day, but we’re too used to it to notice how freaky and phenomenal it is.
 
LynahFan said:
Yeah, but given the Drake equation, I actually think it’s more likely that someone accidentally left a bit of porcelain floating somewhere in space than it is that a tiger got into my bathroom, so I went with that.

I remember my mind being blown in 7th grade when I first encountered the proof that .9999 repeating equals 1. Been so long that I just kind of accept it now - like gravity. That should blow our minds every single day, but we’re too used to it to notice how freaky and phenomenal it is.
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I always liked the rationale for reducing near impossibility to impossibility: at a certain point it becomes more likely that you have gone insane and are imagining it.
 
From stories people here have told I think Minnesotans are going to appreciate this joke.

There was a Baptist missionary who became stranded on a desert island.

After a number of years he successfully flagged a passing ship. His rescuers came ashore and one of them asked what had happened to land the missionary there. The missionary told his tale of how he had managed to survive all alone on the island for the whole time.

Intrigued, the rescuer then asked about the four buildings he could see on a nearby hill. The missionary said the building on the far left was his sleeping quarters, the building next to it was his kitchen, and the building on the far right was his church. Puzzled, the rescuer asked about the fourth building the missionary had not mentioned.

Immediately, the missionary became red in the face, the veins in his neck became visible, and appeared on the verge of a stroke. As soon as he was able, he shouted out "that is the church I used to attend!"
 
At this point, I would take a private Confirmation service. I could pick the music, the Scriptures, invite chosen family (I'd even invite Kep and Fade), and make sure there were yummy treats after.
 
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