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Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

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Pooley's teams had much more talent then these teams...Pisani has had a decent little pro career...

Players Pooley recruited before Smith/the school cut the athletic dept (see baseball being cut) for building the Smith center for the arts were more talented then the players on these teams. The last class brought in before that was the DiSalvatore, Rask, Fregoe, Schaefer class. After that not so much.
 
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The rumor is that PC got bludgeoned.
 
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I was kind of thinking of going to game tomorrow, but it seems like they've given up. I wasn't at the game: what happened?
 
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I was kind of thinking of going to game tomorrow, but it seems like they've given up. I wasn't at the game: what happened?


Not much. I drank some soda. My son ate some cotton candy.
 
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Not much. I drank some soda. My son ate some cotton candy.

Did people point out that PC91 is a loudmouth in purple pants? Did the staff and athletic department treat paying customers like crap?

I can replay all these games in my head. Alex Beaudry is going to need a lifetime of therapy after he graduates... sigh.
 
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Did people point out that PC91 is a loudmouth in purple pants? Did the staff and athletic department treat paying customers like crap?

I can replay all these games in my head. Alex Beaudry is going to need a lifetime of therapy after he graduates... sigh.

Gates played 2 periods. He did ok, a little rusty.
 
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34 goals scored in 19 Hockey East games.

That is utterly, pathetically bad. No team in the conference is even close to that mark.

This team is in another freefall...
 
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Crap you mean we aren't getting the J D Powers award for for best fan experience at a college sporting event?;)

lol. I am not sure the school is even aware that the people that go are fans. I think they might think they're transients or something. :D
 
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It is extremely frustrating to support this team. Tonight's game was a waste of time for everyone concerned, with the possible exception of the officials.

I do have a question for the Board.

There are many posts on this and the previous thread to the effect that (i) this year's team is far better than last year's team and (ii) there is a wealth of young talent here.

If there was a lot of young talent, wouldn't they have won more than 2 games since mid-November? I see very little talent among the forwards. Other than MacKinnon, it seems to me the talent is of the Division 3 variety--and I mean mid-level Division 3. We just don't do the things that other HE teams do on offense. The defense I think is pretty good.

And didn't last year's team at least have some guys who inspired a little concern on the part of the opponent--Taormina, Norton and Mazzolini were guys the other team probably didn't look forward to playing against. I assume the opponents can't wait to play the Friars this year. If Beaudry had played the first half last year then last year's team would almost certainly have ended up with as many wins or more wins than this year's team.

I apologize for the negativity, and I do understand that the players are under pressure and are doing the best they can under difficult circumstances, and that they are just young men and not professionals.

I sincerely wish the program and all involved the best of luck. I just don't think I can watch this any longer.
 
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I sincerely wish the program and all involved the best of luck. I just don't think I can watch this any longer.

Nobody is going to blame you there.

Offensively -- this team has got to be near the bottom of Division 1 in goals scored.

The guys who follow the recruiting can tell you best how good the talent is -- but it's hard to believe there's a lot of "great young talent" offensively on this team just from looking at the numbers. Defensively, that could be a different story, but the team's offense simply is not there...and hasn't been in a long, long time.
 
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Beaudry yanked again after the 1st period.

When is the blame going to fall on him...he's got to be next in line, right? :D
 
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34 goals scored in 19 Hockey East games.

That is utterly, pathetically bad. No team in the conference is even close to that mark.

This team is in another freefall...

Skeeterman used to talk about the St. Cloud Swoon.

Let's just coin it as the "Friar's Freefall."
 
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Thoughts for a Saturday morning...

After reading czeckthebody's post about whether the talent is there, points made by many others here, and the earlier posts of Hokydad listing the background of every player, it got me thinking. The bios of players' experience sounds quite similar to the guys that Pooley brought in. Pooley's team often seemed to step it up later in the year (often after a slow start).

The year Army arrived, the team went on a tear - 8-0 start. They led the country, or were pretty close to the top, in power play goals. One of the assistants told a friend of mine, "We didn't know they were this good. Heck, we haven't even coached the power play yet." Shortly after that the team fell apart. Top players stopped seeing ice time, players started leaving. In hindsight, my guess is they started "coaching."

I'm not so sure this is all about talent. I do think there is talent on this team. Im thinking something else. This was brought to mind by a recent Sports Illustrated article about the NHL coach's dog house,
The Doghouse Diaries in SI's January 11 issue. We have a coach who spent years in this world.

It seems clear to me that this coach has a similar dog house. This coach gets into the heads of his team in such a negative way that they play so tenatively and so afraid to make a mistake. Talent or no talent, under those conditions you tighten up, you play not to lose.

My humble opinion is that the Friar Freefall kicks in as the coach's head games get worse. It almost seems that tentative play then results in the team either giving up or quitting on the guy. Ironically, I have seen the guy quit on the team in so many games it's not funny.

IMHO what works in the pros does not work in college and vice versa. Just ask Rick Pitino or Pete Carroll who could not succed in the pros or Charlie Weis in college.

This is college, not the pros. To me it is all about a bad fit.

This is just sad...
 
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Freds I have been saying that for 4 years now......he is not a college coach and it looks like his staff is a a carbon copy
 
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This is college, not the pros. To me it is all about a bad fit.

Remember when Army was first hired and someone who had worked with/followed him in the AHL came on and said "be careful what you wish for" and that PC would basically regret the hiring?

Nearly 5 seasons later and there is no doubt, as you say, he's not a good fit here.

I think the worst part is what you alluded to, and that there does not exist, or did not exist, a good relationship between him and the players. You go beyond the awful record and you'd at least hope that's there. But it wasn't and while I'm not privy to the situation now, it does not seem to have changed.

The first year Army was here, we were friendly with one of the players. When things started going wrong late in the year, I asked him about it, and while he didn't want to say too much, he did admit "the coaches pushed the panic button a little too quickly." By the time this player graduated he and others had gone to the AD to talk about how ill-suited they felt Army was to coach this program.

I think you are right -- Army came in and his team played very well until the last month of that first season. Then he benched Devin Rask and the team...I don't want to say quit...but they started playing passionless, emotionless hockey. To an observer like me, it looked very much like Army "lost" the team. They went into a freefall that culminated in that awful OT loss to Merrimack at home (remember that one?) where the Mack scored twice in the last 2 minutes to tie it and then won it in OT. And that was a game where PC was playing for home ice.

To me Army has never recovered from the very end of that first season. His teams collapse once January comes, year in and year out, displaying consistent patterns of performance. Bad record, lack of offense, bad power play, no in game adjustments -- it's a hallmark of the Army era.

I know Hokydad and others come in here and can't stand hearing this -- but I can't understand why any real PC hockey fan would give Army the benefit of the doubt.

5 seasons is a long time in this game.

He's had his shot, he's failed, the record is embarrassing...you can blame the school all you want, and I agree with Cav, things need to change there too.

But at the same time, what good does it do to keep Army here? Cav's also right they may not have (m)any choices. But even giving Dave Berard a shot -- a guy who has had to suffer under Pooley and now Army -- would be preferable, to me, than keeping a guy who as Cav said is "damaged goods" and can't recruit -- much less COACH anyone!

There does not seem to be a good argument -- or any argument -- that can be made at this point in time, in Army's defense. He's Dead Coach Walking right about now. If he's still here over the next few years, the only way he starts turning this around is a Top 4 finish, home ice, a Quarterfinal playoff win, etc. But I can't see with him here how that's going to be in the cards.
 
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