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Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

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FryarBoy06 said:
I agree with everyone else you say, except I'm pretty sure Devin Rask graduated a few years before Army arrived. I think Torry Gajda is the player in question. Frustrating to see that Army hasn't worked out as I was one of the Kool-Aid "Tim's Army" drinkers upon arrival during my senior year.
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I think you are right FB, Rask played on the team that went to the Gahden in 2001. Unless he was under the radard, he could not have been here in 2005-06. Forgive HM, he is getting on in years. :p Me too, becuase it took a few days to click.

FryarBoy06 said:
I see the comment about the sound level on the music and while I don't like it too loud, you literally couldn't hear it last night. One wonders why bother playing if it's going to be that low.
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Hmm, if it is that low I might come back to see a game.

Aside from the fact I would rather there be now recorded music and allow the band and the fans to fill in during breaks (pep band music and student chants) - the things that create a college hockey atmosphere - I believe a problem at Schneider is that the sound system is completely unbalanced. In one area (Section E inlcuded) the decibel levels are beyone safe allowances, other areas (near the press box) where the sound is controlled, it often sounds fine. Trouble is nobody checks it out, the just assume we are a bunch of grumpy old men.
 
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Jon said:
Paul Pooley must read this thread every morning and laugh his *** off.

Should we all be apologizing to him right now?
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Why is he laughing? Is he looking in the mirror? He is getting 1/3rd the pay and coaching on the biggest underperforming team in the country over the past 2 seasons. They are 9th place in CCHA, under 500 and got smoked back to back to 2-14 W Michigan, who was dead last in their conference before they played ND. There roster is a whos who of US Natl team kids and NHL draft picks. They also have a rink that makes Schneider look like North Dakotas

He should be laughing, at himself.
 
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Netman said:
CAV I disagree with you here. I was trained, in several different jobs, how to treat customers. You stated that the players get it, but the grad students don't? That doesn't make sense to me grad students are the same age as many of the players.
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Well you used a key word you were trained. The players have been trained. The Grad Students have not, its a job to get them through this period of school and for the school clearly in PC's case not worth even giving them any, since they will soon move on and a new batch will replace them, and hoping they have some innate sense of the right thing to do or to figure it out quickly on their own.

I tried to explain how the players would get it. Sports is their arena (not in the physical sense like Schneider). We have all seen young kids play baseball or hockey or any other sport. Clearly they are picking up on higher level players such as the pros, but also from those just ahead of them. They have been to clinics that say the high school kids in their town teach the kid, they look up to those kids at 10 and at 17 they reciprocate. They have worked with kids and can associate with them. Let's face it even if the grads students had some extra cirricular activity that gave them insight into the real world business there is no 10 year looking up to them for doing so. Likewise as I noted most of these players have either been put in a situation where their athletic skill made them BMOC and in that situation even most good high school coaches indoctrinate them in the importance of what they must give back. I think a clearer example is the juniors where its also a business and the players are trained in that part of the business since they are the product. Where would there be a paralle example fo the grad students if this is really their Little League/Pee Wee experience.
 
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They also have a rink that makes Schneider look like North Dakotas
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Why am I not surprised you are oblivious about this....

Notre Dame to build 5,000-seat hockey arena
http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/39514352.html

Why is he laughing? Is he looking in the mirror? He is getting 1/3rd the pay and coaching on the biggest underperforming team in the country over the past 2 seasons.
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31-6-3, CCHA regular season champions and tournament champions, and an NCAA berth last year.

THAT'S "underperforming"??

You are just unbelievably, completely lost. You think 31-6-3 is "underperforming" because they lost an NCAA game (my god, at least they got there!) and yet you turn the other way at Tim Army's record with 8 wins in PC's last 47 league games or whatever it is?

You are a hypocrite in addition to being clueless...I also didn't see you being so "negative" when PC beat them back in October!

They are 9th place in CCHA, under 500 and got smoked back to back to 2-14 W Michigan, who was dead last in their conference before they played ND.
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Looks like the guy who "shrugs off the bad times" and the losses has no problem discussing losses and bad records when he feels like it. Guess it just doesn't apply to PC, does it?
 
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I agree with everyone else you say, except I'm pretty sure Devin Rask graduated a few years before Army arrived. I think Torry Gajda is the player in question.
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Totally, you are absolutely right FB, I was thinking Gajda and got the names crossed up.
 
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Pooley should be laughing because we were willing to take any coach with a name that spelled hockey, we were wrong.......we should be looking for a coach whose name spelled teacher, maybe its time to let Berard take full control of the team so the cost will not kill the school and we do know he can recruit, give him a chance to run the program until we get out from under Armys contract as he will not resign
 
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satyking said:
Pooley should be laughing because we were willing to take any coach with a name that spelled hockey, we were wrong.......we should be looking for a coach whose name spelled teacher, maybe its time to let Berard take full control of the team so the cost will not kill the school and we do know he can recruit, give him a chance to run the program until we get out from under Armys contract as he will not resign
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Bingo, great post. I think Berard deserves it. Having to work with the kids under the last two guys -- Berard has put in the time, I agree it wouldn't kill the school cost wise, and hopefully he'd learn from the glaring errors his predecessors made. It would be a low-risk, high-reward type of move. Give the guy a chance, if it doesn't work, it's not like you have to hand out contracts as they did to Pooley and Army.

And I also agree Army will never leave.

Great players, in any sport, don't always make good coaches. In fact they seldom do. A lesson PC must have learned having been burned now twice in a row with that type of hire.
 
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HockeyMan2000 said:
I think Berard deserves it. Having to work with the kids under the last two guys -- Berard has put in the time, I agree it wouldn't kill the school cost wise, and hopefully he'd learn from the glaring errors his predecessors made. It would be a low-risk, high-reward type of move. Give the guy a chance, if it doesn't work, it's not like you have to hand out contracts as they did to Pooley and Army.
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Okay let's play devil's advocate here.

1. What glaring errors is Berard going to fix and more importantly how? Minimally under Pooley he had a voice in these decisions, he was Associate Head Coach.

2. He's going to work for less then the going rate for head coaches? Let's see if I'm not mistaking Pooley with perks was approaching 200K when he left what would be 6 seasons ago if you consider the contract begins next year in your plan. You would need to give him a multi year contract minimum of 5 years because no coach takes on a job without some secruity to raise a sinking ship. He's high on the experience list of guys who aren't head coaches but would be looking for a head job--its just his resume has little of the positive in it. In other words he brings more college experience to the table now then Pooley or Army did. Minimum of 175-200K a year. Then you have to replace him and I'd be relatively sure he'd reach out to Ricky Bennett up at Union and to bring him back as his top aide he'd need to give him title of associate head coach and top what he gets a Union (which might not be that hard). You could skimp on the 2nd assistant but do you want to? Hard to handle all the details of a program today without able assistants.

3. Please put in black and white what would be acceptable records from him in his 5 years?
 
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Video of a panel discussion, created by RPI-TV, on Saturday http://www.rpitv.org/productions/276-legends-of-85-panel-discussion. The panel consists of four members of the RPI 1985 NCAA championship team including George Servinis. From about the 37-minute mark until about 40 minutes there is a discussion of his goal. George admits that he was offsides but didn't know until he saw a video a year later.

The video may not work if you are using IE. (They are trying to fix it.) It works with other browsers.
 
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It sounds like there are two different arguments at play here Cav. I wasn't bringing Berard's name up as a "Name Who You'd Pick to Be PC's next coach" kind of answer -- I was more responding to satyking's suggestion that the school might get a break if they went in-house with Berard and didn't necessarily have to be locked in to an extended commitment to him.

If that's not possible -- and what you are outlining is what would happen in reality, that they would have to give a 5 year plan -- then I would not go down that road. Not after the last two coaches, who weren't college head coaches either before they came to PC. It would be foolish if not suicidal to do that.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
Video of a panel discussion, created by RPI-TV, on Saturday http://www.rpitv.org/productions/276-legends-of-85-panel-discussion. The panel consists of four members of the RPI 1985 NCAA championship team including George Servinis. From about the 37-minute mark until about 40 minutes there is a discussion of his goal. George admits that he was offsides but didn't know until he saw a video a year later.

The video may not work if you are using IE. (They are trying to fix it.) It works with other browsers.
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Thanks Ralph. My insider information tells me the, questionable nature of THAT goal was a point of conversation throughout the weekend.
 
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So just that it is now officially clear that the 1985 National Championship is, uh, tainted. :p
 
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HockeyMan2000 said:
Why am I not surprised you are oblivious about this....

Notre Dame to build 5,000-seat hockey arena
http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/39514352.html

Well aware of the new rink, which they are not playing in yet......

31-6-3, CCHA regular season champions and tournament champions, and an NCAA berth last year.

THAT'S "underperforming"??

From what they expected last year, yes. Quit NCAA exit

They are brutal this year

They have played Bowling Green 5 times in last 2 years and W Michigain 6 times, do you not want to count those??



You are just unbelievably, completely lost. You think 31-6-3 is "underperforming" because they lost an NCAA game (my god, at least they got there!) and yet you turn the other way at Tim Army's record with 8 wins in PC's last 47 league games or whatever it is?

You are a hypocrite in addition to being clueless...I also didn't see you being so "negative" when PC beat them back in October!



Looks like the guy who "shrugs off the bad times" and the losses has no problem discussing losses and bad records when he feels like it. Guess it just doesn't apply to PC, does it?
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ND is in a big slide and fan base has dropped off. How amny games have you been to there? How many families do you know who have kids play there? 0/2? shocking. little hint for you, blogs are not gospel
 
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Cav as always you are the voice of reason......mine the voice of desperation, I just want to rid the program of this horrid example of a coach and will do it any way possible......imagine paying him that kind of money and getting this in return.....he should be ashamed
 
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Not to argue, but look at ND's thread.

accusing coach of quitting, poor leadership, not having talent, saying coach is throwing kids under bus etc

sound familiar??

Hockeyman, it is a huge dissapointment in there barn
 
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Hokydad said:
ND is in a big slide and fan base has dropped off. How amny games have you been to there? How many families do you know who have kids play there? 0/2? shocking. little hint for you, blogs are not gospel
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Just curious, but how many games have YOU been to there this year? :confused:

If the answer is zero (which it likely is), then perhaps you have nothing to add either.
 
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