unofan
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Do you think the founders envisioned a country where one state is literally 65x bigger than the smallest in terms of population?
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Presidential Election Prediction Thread
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Do you think the founders envisioned a country where one state is literally 65x bigger than the smallest in terms of population?
unofan
Well-known member
You mean if you ignore the votes of 20% of the population, you'll get different results? No shiat, Sherlock.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread
The 1790 census numbers:
Massachusetts 378,787
New Hampshire 141,885
Rhode Island 68,825
Connecticut 237,946
New York 340,120
New Jersey 184,139
Pennsylvania 434,373
Delaware 59,096
Maryland 319,728
Virginia 691,737
North Carolina 393,751
South Carolina 249,073
Georgia 82,548
They had just under 12x at the time.
The 1790 census numbers:
Massachusetts 378,787
New Hampshire 141,885
Rhode Island 68,825
Connecticut 237,946
New York 340,120
New Jersey 184,139
Pennsylvania 434,373
Delaware 59,096
Maryland 319,728
Virginia 691,737
North Carolina 393,751
South Carolina 249,073
Georgia 82,548
They had just under 12x at the time.
unofan
Well-known member
So the difference today is higher by a factor of five. That's not insignificant.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread
I'm just data reporting with that. I really had no idea. I guess the 12x doesn't surprise me. It should show that they realized there'd be differences (VA v. DE).
I'm just data reporting with that. I really had no idea. I guess the 12x doesn't surprise me. It should show that they realized there'd be differences (VA v. DE).
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Yah
Doesn't matter the size now vs then. They were aware of it and in their infinite wisdom created what they did that way
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread
Also consider at that time VA had 19.3% of the country's population.
CA today is 12.2%. So they are not now TOO big that they should merit extra consideration
Also consider at that time VA had 19.3% of the country's population.
CA today is 12.2%. So they are not now TOO big that they should merit extra consideration
unofan
Well-known member
19% out of 13 colonies versus 12% out of 50 states.
Clearly applied math is not mookie's strong point.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Mookie is not seeing anything dramatic enough to defy original intent. Their wisdom was stood up for 240yrs for a reason. Certainly enough to not be challenged from a state employed lawyer from cowtown.
cF[Authentic]
southpaw
Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread
And had Hillary won, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
And had Hillary won, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
unofan
Well-known member
Your act is bad and you should feel bad. You've got a lot of catching up to do if you really want to become the next Old Pio.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Oh
Only you can throw around names at others here? Use the stupid card?
Didn't see that memo....
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread
Agreed. The whole idea here is to protect our republic from the dangers of "too much democracy". Where the underrepresented are crowded out.
Agreed. The whole idea here is to protect our republic from the dangers of "too much democracy". Where the underrepresented are crowded out.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread
Do away with the Electoral College and you'll never again see a Presidential candidate in the grey counties in this link.
http://www.businessinsider.com/half-of-the-united-states-lives-in-these-counties-2013-9
Do away with the Electoral College and you'll never again see a Presidential candidate in the grey counties in this link.
http://www.businessinsider.com/half-of-the-united-states-lives-in-these-counties-2013-9
Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread
Would it work for mookie if a popular vote for president was the founders wanted? Per wiki:
"Some delegates, including James Wilson and James Madison, preferred popular election of the executive. Madison acknowledged that while a popular vote would be ideal, it would be difficult to get consensus on the proposal given the prevalence of slavery in the South"
Playing hardball in the 18th century has worked out quite well for the south in the 21st century.
Would it work for mookie if a popular vote for president was the founders wanted? Per wiki:
"Some delegates, including James Wilson and James Madison, preferred popular election of the executive. Madison acknowledged that while a popular vote would be ideal, it would be difficult to get consensus on the proposal given the prevalence of slavery in the South"
Playing hardball in the 18th century has worked out quite well for the south in the 21st century.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
The vast majority of them never see one anyway.
ericredaxe
Veteran
Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread
Even if we allocated all of a states electorates to the winner of the overall popular vote in the presidential election, the smaller states would still be "over represented" as the ratio of senator/congress to population as compared to the larger states.
Even if we allocated all of a states electorates to the winner of the overall popular vote in the presidential election, the smaller states would still be "over represented" as the ratio of senator/congress to population as compared to the larger states.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread
OK, I'll be devil's advocate. If nobody lives in them, why does that matter? Shouldn't the candidates go where people live? It's We the People, not We the Amber Waves of Grain.
Or is there something about the people who live in cities that is less worthy of attention. Something. Wait a bit, it'll come to me...
OK, I'll be devil's advocate. If nobody lives in them, why does that matter? Shouldn't the candidates go where people live? It's We the People, not We the Amber Waves of Grain.
Or is there something about the people who live in cities that is less worthy of attention. Something. Wait a bit, it'll come to me...
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread
Maybe we should keep the Senate but redraw the states every hundred years. I don't know about you, but I'd love to cut California down to size. And while geographical diversity is still a (much diminished) thing economically, I would love to hear a compelling reason why we shouldn't combine ND, SD and NE, or MT, ID, WY. If you want to tell me they are in some respects different, I give you Brooklyn vs Potsdam, or San Francisco vs Bakersfield.
The other way to ensure that everyone is represented equally is to get rid of the states, get rid of the Senate, and simply have a House with 435 exactly equal districts redrawn every election by a computer program.
There is plenty of stuff we could do now that they couldn't do in 1789.
Maybe we should keep the Senate but redraw the states every hundred years. I don't know about you, but I'd love to cut California down to size. And while geographical diversity is still a (much diminished) thing economically, I would love to hear a compelling reason why we shouldn't combine ND, SD and NE, or MT, ID, WY. If you want to tell me they are in some respects different, I give you Brooklyn vs Potsdam, or San Francisco vs Bakersfield.
The other way to ensure that everyone is represented equally is to get rid of the states, get rid of the Senate, and simply have a House with 435 exactly equal districts redrawn every election by a computer program.
There is plenty of stuff we could do now that they couldn't do in 1789.
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