Preliminary & Ongoing Pairwise Watch and 2013 NCAA Tournament Musing Thread

[IceIsNice]

Re: Preliminary & Ongoing Pairwise Watch and 2013 NCAA Tournament Musing Thread

... you could end up with only one WCHA team in the tournament. Don't think anyone would have predicted that.

No one might have predicted it, but it would be wildly celebrated by 85% of the geography that takes interest!

I'll give you this, it's a little like hating the Yankees or the Patriots, a backhanded sign of a respect, but still the talk amongst many, many, many beanpot attendees last night was... "wouldn't it be great if....."

 

[OnMAA]

Re: Preliminary & Ongoing Pairwise Watch and 2013 NCAA Tournament Musing Thread

No one might have predicted it, but it would be wildly celebrated by 85% of the geography that takes interest!

I'll give you this, it's a little like hating the Yankees or the Patriots, a backhanded sign of a respect, but still the talk amongst many, many, many beanpot attendees last night was... "wouldn't it be great if....."

.....The East won the last game of the year in Ridder. (Just filling in the blanks).

 

[D2D]

Re: Preliminary & Ongoing Pairwise Watch and 2013 NCAA Tournament Musing Thread

Based on the Pairwise individual comparisons as they are today (which are subject to change in the 5 weekends before the NCAA tournament selection, of course), Clarkson owns the RPI, Teams Under Consideration, and Common Opponents comparisons over Mercyhurst, and the same holds true for Mercyhurst over North Dakota. Given that, North Dakota would clearly be the first to go if a lower-rated team were to get an autobid, and I have to believe the committee would have no choice but to send that lower team to Minnesota at this point.

I am really hoping for lower-rated team, Whioux-ever that turns out to be.

 

[IceIsNice]

Re: Preliminary & Ongoing Pairwise Watch and 2013 NCAA Tournament Musing Thread

I am really hoping for lower-rated team, Whioux-ever that turns out to be.

I'm cool with this, so long as the process isn't badgered in any way.

 

[ManBehindTheCurtain]

Re: Preliminary & Ongoing Pairwise Watch and 2013 NCAA Tournament Musing Thread

I want Wisconsin in, I think that despite the season won-loss records they are one of the best 8 hockey teams when the hockey teams are on the ice, playing hockey, especially at this point in the season.

In the quarterfinals I want Wisconsin to have to go east and some eastern team have to come west to play Minnesota.

That is what I think would make the best tournament. I would like to see as a final four Minnesota, Wisconsin, Boston College and the winner of Harvard/Cornell.

Unfortunately, the season records are what the season records are. The matchups to make the tournament I would like to see actually happen seem to have a probability of between zero and none. Please note that when I say see, I actually mean SEE. I have tickets. I will be at whatever games occur, those are the games I would like to see.

I feel free to make this post because the thread title is "Tournament Musing Thread". I am just musing.

Addendum:

If the team that Wisconsin goes to in the quarterfinals beats them I am way good with that team replacing Wisconsin in my fantasy final four.

I guess what I am fantasizing about is

somebody at Minnesota
Wisconsin at BU
somebody at BC
Harvard/Cornell

That could produce a final four I would like to see.

But on the other hand, who knows, who really ever knows?

 

[mnpokecheck]

Re: Preliminary & Ongoing Pairwise Watch and 2013 NCAA Tournament Musing Thread

No one might have predicted it, but it would be wildly celebrated by 85% of the geography that takes interest!

I'll give you this, it's a little like hating the Yankees or the Patriots, a backhanded sign of a respect, but still the talk amongst many, many, many beanpot attendees last night was... "wouldn't it be great if....."

.....The East won the last game of the year in Ridder. (Just filling in the blanks).

Hey, hey, (shakes)....wake up, you were dreaming....are you all right(wiping the drool from your chin).

 

[pakidnyc]

I want Wisconsin in, I think that despite the season won-loss records they are one of the best 8 hockey teams when the hockey teams are on the ice, playing hockey, especially at this point in the season.

In the quarterfinals I want Wisconsin to have to go east and some eastern team have to come west to play Minnesota.

That is what I think would make the best tournament. I would like to see as a final four Minnesota, Wisconsin, Boston College and the winner of Harvard/Cornell.

Unfortunately, the season records are what the season records are. The matchups to make the tournament I would like to see actually happen seem to have a probability of between zero and none. Please note that when I say see, I actually mean SEE. I have tickets. I will be at whatever games occur, those are the games I would like to see.

I feel free to make this post because the thread title is "Tournament Musing Thread". I am just musing.

Addendum:

If the team that Wisconsin goes to in the quarterfinals beats them I am way good with that team replacing Wisconsin in my fantasy final four.

I guess what I am fantasizing about is

somebody at Minnesota
Wisconsin at BU
somebody at BC
Harvard/Cornell

That could produce a final four I would like to see.

But on the other hand, who knows, who really ever knows?

If it is Harvard vs Cornell in NCAA quarters, that could very well mean that those 2 teams will have played each other 3 out of 4 weekends in a row leaving some of us to wish for a little diversity. I could easily see the Comte sending BU back to Cornell for a 3rd year in a row elimination game. After BU defeated Cornell in 2010 Frozen Four, Cornell beat BU in 2 regular season tilts only to go triple OT for the win last year. Then this year split 1-1. Would be a very rivalry filled quarters!

 

[OnMAA]

Re: Preliminary & Ongoing Pairwise Watch and 2013 NCAA Tournament Musing Thread

Hey, hey, (shakes)....wake up, you were dreaming....are you all right(wiping the drool from your chin).

Might be old on the outside, but young at heart on the inside. We should be allowed to dream Non ?.
(That last line sounds so much better in French)

 

[Eeyore]

Re: Preliminary & Ongoing Pairwise Watch and 2013 NCAA Tournament Musing Thread

If it is Harvard vs Cornell in NCAA quarters, that could very well mean that those 2 teams will have played each other 3 out of 4 weekends in a row leaving some of us to wish for a little diversity.

That's what Minnesota and North Dakota did last year.

 

[ARM]

Re: Preliminary & Ongoing Pairwise Watch and 2013 NCAA Tournament Musing Thread

That's what Minnesota and North Dakota did last year.

And that was 4 games over that stretch and 6 on the season. Heading toward that again with someone. Ugh.

 

[mnpokecheck]

Re: Preliminary & Ongoing Pairwise Watch and 2013 NCAA Tournament Musing Thread

Might be old on the outside, but young at heart on the inside. We should be allowed to dream Non ?.
(That last line sounds so much better in French)

Amen.

 

[Numbers]

Re: Preliminary & Ongoing Pairwise Watch and 2013 NCAA Tournament Musing Thread

I have a question about the Women's Committee and the PWR for the ladies.

Right now it seems the Mercyhurst is about 1 game ahead of Wisconsin and North Dakota in the RPI. The TUC records are all about the same, if you take the 4 games with Minnesota off of Wisconsin and UND's records. The COp results are also very close.

So, if UW or UND sneaks by Mercyhurst in the RPI, is there a possibility that the committee might seed the WCHA team 7th, and Mercyhurst 8th? And, with that, send Mercyhurst to Minneapolis for the quarterfinals?

Thanks.

 

[ARM]

Re: Preliminary & Ongoing Pairwise Watch and 2013 NCAA Tournament Musing Thread

The TUC records are all about the same, if you take the 4 games with Minnesota off of Wisconsin and UND's records. The COp results are also very close.

One problem that both UW and UND have is that neither was perfect against MSU, the only common WCHA opponent with the Lakers. So unless Mercyhurst loses to RIT (helps UND) or Lindenwood (helps both UND and UW), they are going to lose that category. I don't know that there is a precedent for the committee to say, "Minnesota is hard to beat, so let's ignore those games." If it was a case of Mercyhurst losing to Minnesota once in one meeting while the others lost four or five times, then that is the type of adjustment that they may have made in the other years. UMD would be in better shape in that they have the same result as Mercyhurst against BC. But given that BC is the #2 team and the Lakers managed to split the Eagles, then it is hard to give teams a free pass for losses to Minnesota. If a WCHA team had a considerably better RPI, that may possibly change the thinking.

 

[IceIsNice]

Re: Preliminary & Ongoing Pairwise Watch and 2013 NCAA Tournament Musing Thread

One problem that both UW and UND have is that neither was perfect against MSU, the only common WCHA opponent with the Lakers. So unless Mercyhurst loses to RIT (helps UND) or Lindenwood (helps both UND and UW), they are going to lose that category. I don't know that there is a precedent for the committee to say, "Minnesota is hard to beat, so let's ignore those games." If it was a case of Mercyhurst losing to Minnesota once in one meeting while the others lost four or five times, then that is the type of adjustment that they may have made in the other years. UMD would be in better shape in that they have the same result as Mercyhurst against BC. But given that BC is the #2 team and the Lakers managed to split the Eagles, then it is hard to give teams a free pass for losses to Minnesota. If a WCHA team had a considerably better RPI, that may possibly change the thinking.

Meanwhile, Clarkson has a couple of key games left in their schedule, not to mention the fact that they seem capable of losing an "on paper win". They could potentially lose the RPI comparison to Mercyhurst (especially should they lose to either Princeton or Dartmouth), not to mention the TUC (with a loss to Harvard), and Common Opponents (with a loss to Quinnipiac). I give this only about a 25% chance but the potential is there for Hurst to climb to 6, which hopefully eliminates having to go to Minnesota.

Of course, selfishly, I'm hoping they come to Boston and I would hope that even if our area boasted the #1 team.

 

[ARM]

Re: Preliminary & Ongoing Pairwise Watch and 2013 NCAA Tournament Musing Thread

Of course, selfishly, I'm hoping they come to Boston and I would hope that even if our area boasted the #1 team.

Makes sense that you don't want to fly family members to MN for a possible final career game, especially when you're looking at the possibility of doing it all over again the week after.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: Preliminary & Ongoing Pairwise Watch and 2013 NCAA Tournament Musing Thread

Question: If Cornell is top 4 and Mercyhurst is anywhere at all from 5-8, would the committee send Hurst to Cornell no matter what?

 

[mattj711]

Question: If Cornell is top 4 and Mercyhurst is anywhere at all from 5-8, would the committee send Hurst to Cornell no matter what?

I doubt it.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

I doubt it.

I'm not saying there is a right or wrong answer but perhaps some detail would contribute more to the thread here

 

[mattj711]

I'm not saying there is a right or wrong answer but perhaps some detail would contribute more to the thread here

They have yet to send Cornell to Mercyhurst or Mercyhurst to Cornell.

 

[dave1381]

Re: Preliminary & Ongoing Pairwise Watch and 2013 NCAA Tournament Musing Thread

I have a question about the Women's Committee and the PWR for the ladies. Right now it seems the Mercyhurst is about 1 game ahead of Wisconsin and North Dakota in the RPI. The TUC records are all about the same, if you take the 4 games with Minnesota off of Wisconsin and UND's records. The COp results are also very close. So, if UW or UND sneaks by Mercyhurst in the RPI, is there a possibility that the committee might seed the WCHA team 7th, and Mercyhurst 8th? And, with that, send Mercyhurst to Minneapolis for the quarterfinals? Thanks.

If the committee acts like it has the last two years, I expect the second WCHA team will have to put a considerable distance between itself and Mercyhurst to avoid playing Minnesota, not just sneak by Mercyhurst in some fashion.

In 2011, the committee choose a 2-flight bracket over 4-flight bracket even though it created an intraconference matchup and clearly went against seeding. In 2012, the committee choose a 1-flight bracket over a 3-flight bracket that would've avoided the intraconference matchup (the rankings from 5-8 were all somewhat noisy). In earlier years, the committee was more willing to avoid the QF WCHA matchups. It's also possible the 2-flight bracket vs. send-Mercyhurst-to-Boston bracket is a different tradeoff from 3 vs. 1 and 4 vs. 2, and it's possible that the gap between Mercyhurst and a second WCHA team could be a consideration.