POTUS 46.10: A New Hope

[Chuck Murray]

Good morning, Faculty Loungers ... Happy Monday!! Today, your Uncle Chuck has a sing-a-long for y'all ... enjoy!!

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

It's about fcking time a sitting US President visibly advocated for the rights and interests of working Americans, rather than the interests of global corporate behemoths.

 

[Jimjamesak]

It's about fcking time a sitting US President visibly advocated for the rights and interests of working Americans, rather than the interests of global corporate behemoths.

But he’s offending Supply-Side Jesus so it’s bad.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

But he’s offending Supply-Side Jesus so it’s bad.

Supply side Jesus, haha

I saw headline this week about how boomers are the new population going homeless now.

they can always pray to supply side jesus, the lord savior they’ve ensured is in power for decades

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

Blue collar union members such as those in manufacturing have lost their way in great numbers.

A colleague in the Iron workers (I briefly worked as a rep with an Iron Workers local) led a shop out on a strike. Democratic pols from Pennsylvania walked their picket line and John Fetterman, who was PA's Lt. Governor at the time, made a great video in support of the strikers. Who did they all (the ones who bothered to vote) vote for in 2020? donald trump and republican Mike Kelly, who was one of the representatives who filed lawsuits to invalidate ballots in PA in an effort to "overturn" PA's election.

While Biden needs to spend the time showing them he actually DOES support working people and their unions (because he absolutely does), most of these people are lost causes and I am under no illusions. They'll see him on their picket lines, he will advocate for policies and practices that strengthen unions and support working class people, and the ones who vote -- especially the white ones -- will vote for trump because of reasons. I'll keep working to change people's minds until I'm dead or retired, but I do not believe I am changing anyone's mind. It is not like anyone will ever get me to vote for a republican in a contested election. Voters are virtually 100% polarized now and election success is confined to finding the way to get your voters to actually vote.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Blue collar union members such as those in manufacturing have lost their way in great numbers.

A colleague in the Iron workers (I briefly worked as a rep with an Iron Workers local) led a shop out on a strike. Democratic pols from Pennsylvania walked their picket line and John Fetterman, who was PA's Lt. Governor at the time, made a great video in support of the strikers. Who did they all (the ones who bothered to vote) vote for in 2020? donald trump and republican Mike Kelly, who was one of the representatives who filed lawsuits to invalidate ballots in PA in an effort to "overturn" PA's election.

While Biden needs to spend the time showing them he actually DOES support working people and their unions (because he absolutely does), most of these people are lost causes and I am under no illusions. They'll see him on their picket lines, he will advocate for policies and practices that strengthen unions and support working class people, and the ones who vote -- especially the white ones -- will vote for trump because of reasons. I'll keep working to change people's minds until I'm dead or retired, but I do not believe I am changing anyone's mind. It is not like anyone will ever get me to vote for a republican in a contested election. Voters are virtually 100% polarized now and election success is confined to finding the way to get your voters to actually vote.

Stop talking to the old guys and focus on the younger ones, that’s where the progress will be made. Older guys are selfish and care only about their retirement.

 

[Whalers]

"First sitting President to side with labor so devisively."

But Joe told us last week that he was an auto worker in the union, who helped design the original Mustang and the air bag was his idea. He even once had to fight this strike breaker named Corn Pop ("that Boy was one Bad Dude") who tried to sniff the hair of a female union member, so "I took him out behind the wood shed, no joke." Before I kicked the C&!p out of him, I said "I'm the only person allowed to sniff their hair, especially when they are younger than 15."

 

[Kepler]

Stop talking to the old guys and focus on the younger ones, that’s where the progress will be made. Older guys are selfish and care only about their retirement.

It varies. There are plenty of old guard union people who still understand the value of united action. You have to be over 50 to even remember what it was like before ownership destroyed labor in this country.

 

[Whalers]

This is why FDR should not have dropped Henry Wallace. Oh, what might have been.

I see that you are having trouble multi-tasking these days Kep. I'm sure you are still working on your well reasoned evidence response while the rest of us dim wits juggle 15 different real world issues to keep business moving forward.

If Henry Wallace wasnt dropped, do you think he would have decided to drop the Big One? Doubtful, and "what might have been" would have turned out a lot differently. Sometimes, you need men of action who stand behind - "The buck stops here!" THAT guy would be branded a far-right, xenophobe extremist these days (come to think of it, so wouldn't JFK).

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

You have to be over 50 to even remember what it was like before ownership destroyed labor in this country.

Around here, it used to mean that Joey Sixpack with a HS diploma could marry and have two kids, own a weekend lake cottage with plenty of toys, and retire comfortably on a pension + soc.

Nowadays, Joey peaks in HS. He flunks out of Generic State U after accumulating a year or two's worth of student debt, tries to join the military but lies about his weed charge from college on the app and gets a BCD when they find out during basic. He works menial minimum wage jobs, learns to hate women after they reject him for being a whiny self-victimizer with nothing to offer, and joins a militia, all by age 30.

/heavy sarc, obv (or is it?)

 

[aparch]

Around here,
...
/heavy sarc, obv (or is it?)

Accurate.

Saw a TikTok that enraged me a week ago. Millenial aged girl goes back to her birth home to visit her parents and made the TikTok from this gorgeous lake house. Explained how her two parents, both school teachers, were able to afford this "modest" home on their salaries in the '90s. Two people, just getting by with a child, and able to make mortgage on their house.

Two houses were currently for sale on the lake. One was priced at 550k and the other 1.2M.

Neither are affordable to two people earning public school money now days, and way out or reach for the video creator who said that on her good-for-her-age salary, is barely able to stay above water with renting an apartment.

*sigh*

The f*cking Boomers ruined everything.

 

[Kepler]

Around here, it used to mean that Joey Sixpack with a HS diploma could marry and have two kids, own a weekend lake cottage with plenty of toys, and retire comfortably on a pension + soc.

My dad was second generation American, second generation English-speaking, single parent household, grew up a latchkey kid and passed around a bunch of different cities, parents, and junior high and high schools, who graduated high school (first generation either side of family) went to college on the GI bill, and got his Masters in EE at night school while working full-time at his union job as a Grumman subcontractor. He bought our family a very nice ranch house on Long Island in a new development cut out of potato fields in the early 60s and sent all three of his kids to expensive private colleges, and had a pension that supported him and my mom through 25 and, now, 35 years of retirement, respectively. That was because of leftist policies in general and unions in particular.

The blue collar dereliction of their class interest in favor of their racism and superstition is the greatest self-own in economic history. They have been voting more and more Republican with every election, while their party as-sf-cks them and destroys their lives and those of their children.

"Reagan Democrats" had opposable thumbs. They could have cracked a book. They allowed themselves to be lied to by the Right because they could not get over their butthurt that non-whites and women were no longer second class citizens. They have themselves to blame. Nobody forced them to vote on racism and religion.

The tragedy is they hurt so many innocent people along the way. But the people who voted for the Right? Self-inflicted.

 

[Chuck Murray]

Poor Kep seems fixated on "racism" and "superstition", like most on the Left. On the occasions when I check in on one of his/her/their posts, it's always one or the other, often both. What a way to live your life. Anyway ...

 

[RaceBoarder]

Accurate.

Saw a TikTok that enraged me a week ago. Millenial aged girl goes back to her birth home to visit her parents and made the TikTok from this gorgeous lake house. Explained how her two parents, both school teachers, were able to afford this "modest" home on their salaries in the '90s. Two people, just getting by with a child, and able to make mortgage on their house.

Two houses were currently for sale on the lake. One was priced at 550k and the other 1.2M.

Neither are affordable to two people earning public school money now days, and way out or reach for the video creator who said that on her good-for-her-age salary, is barely able to stay above water with renting an apartment.

*sigh*

The f*cking Boomers ruined everything.

This needs to be slammed into the heads of EVERYONE over 50... It's not "laziness" or whatever the buzz words of the week are.

The entire system is stacked against people 40 and under like a carnival game. Sure, someone will get the occasional win. But a majority of the time, people can put their absolute best efforts forward and still come up with nothing to show.

 

[Kepler]

This needs to be slammed into the heads of EVERYONE over 50... It's not "laziness" or whatever the buzz words of the week are.

The entire system is stacked against people 40 and under like a carnival game. Sure, someone will get the occasional win. But a majority of the time, people can put their absolute best efforts forward and still come up with nothing to show.

This is capitalism is general. Intergenerational economic mobility has cratered since the 1980s. This isn't a new phenomenon. We have been a neo-feudal state now for the better part of fifty years.

 

[Drew S.]

My dad was second generation American, second generation English-speaking, single parent household, grew up a latchkey kid and passed around a bunch of different cities, parents, and junior high and high schools, who graduated high school (first generation either side of family) went to college on the GI bill, and got his Masters in EE at night school while working full-time at his union job as a Grumman subcontractor. He bought our family a very nice ranch house on Long Island in a new development cut out of potato fields in the early 60s and sent all three of his kids to expensive private colleges, and had a pension that supported him and my mom through 25 and, now, 35 years of retirement, respectively. That was because of leftist policies in general and unions in particular.

The blue collar dereliction of their class interest in favor of their racism and superstition is the greatest self-own in economic history. They have been voting more and more Republican with every election, while their party as-sf-cks them and destroys their lives and those of their children.

"Reagan Democrats" had opposable thumbs. They could have cracked a book. They allowed themselves to be lied to by the Right because they could not get over their butthurt that non-whites and women were no longer second class citizens. They have themselves to blame. Nobody forced them to vote on racism and religion.

The tragedy is they hurt so many innocent people along the way. But the people who voted for the Right? Self-inflicted.

Politics aside, land that is close to cities and buildable has been mostly used up. I think the government would do well to subsidize/encourage building huge developments in different areas throughout the country. Take a 2k acre piece of land off 95 in Maine and build 3k modest ranch/capes and 5k multi family units. You build a hundred of these developments across the country and you start to get someplace.

 

[Handyman]

Blue collar union members such as those in manufacturing have lost their way in great numbers.

A colleague in the Iron workers (I briefly worked as a rep with an Iron Workers local) led a shop out on a strike. Democratic pols from Pennsylvania walked their picket line and John Fetterman, who was PA's Lt. Governor at the time, made a great video in support of the strikers. Who did they all (the ones who bothered to vote) vote for in 2020? donald trump and republican Mike Kelly, who was one of the representatives who filed lawsuits to invalidate ballots in PA in an effort to "overturn" PA's election.

While Biden needs to spend the time showing them he actually DOES support working people and their unions (because he absolutely does), most of these people are lost causes and I am under no illusions. They'll see him on their picket lines, he will advocate for policies and practices that strengthen unions and support working class people, and the ones who vote -- especially the white ones -- will vote for trump because of reasons. I'll keep working to change people's minds until I'm dead or retired, but I do not believe I am changing anyone's mind. It is not like anyone will ever get me to vote for a republican in a contested election. Voters are virtually 100% polarized now and election success is confined to finding the way to get your voters to actually vote.

That has to do more with age than it does anything else I would bet. UAW didn't tell Trump to get bent for nothing. I believe I read UAW is a rather young and diverse union so I think it is more that certain demos of unions have lost their way.

My college is partially a trades college (cars, pipes, welders...some others) and I can tell you the demographic shift of those unions is not good for the GOP.

 

[Slap Shot]

I love watching the Charlie Kirk fluffer trying to throw shade while regurgitating an endless string of comic strips to do is bidding. Some of you are missing out on 100% pure comedy gold.

 

[Chuck Murray]

Politics aside, land that is close to cities and buildable has been mostly used up. I think the government would do well to subsidize/encourage building huge developments in different areas throughout the country. Take a 2k acre piece of land off 95 in Maine and build 3k modest ranch/capes and 5k multi family units. You build a hundred of these developments across the country and you start to get someplace.

So "build it and they will come"? Unfortunately, you've got a generation of kids who have been brainwashed into thinking life is all about being in the big city. And there is about to become a boom of available residential space in major urban downtown areas where commercial real estate is getting kicked in the shorts from the increase of work-at-home jobs that used to fill all kinds of big towers in big cities. That potential bubble is gonna have to be passed, one way or another before the "build it in the sticks, and they will come" can even hope to succeed, without becoming just the latest suburban/rural "ghost towns". Compelling idea though, but needs some fine tuning ...

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

That has to do more with age than it does anything else I would bet. UAW didn't tell Trump to get bent for nothing. I believe I read UAW is a rather young and diverse union so I think it is more that certain demos of unions have lost their way.

My college is partially a trades college (cars, pipes, welders...some others) and I can tell you the demographic shift of those unions is not good for the GOP.

With the flood of Boomer retirements in the last 10-15 years, I'd imagine the UAW ranks are at their youngest since the 70s. They're also likely the most diverse they've ever been as far as percentages of women and/or minorities.

The unions that have moved to the GOP are the rural mining unions in states like W.Va and Montana that are already trending red.