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POTUS 46.10: A New Hope

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Swansong said:
The argument, poor though it is, is that an EV requires fewer workers than an ICE.
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They do require fewer workers to assemble, but as I understand it, one of the main problems is that a lot of the production associated with electric cars is relates to the batteries, and those plants are frequently either out of the country, in the south where unions tend not to exist, in plants that aren't unionized, or as part of completely unrelated companies.
 
SJHovey said:
They do require fewer workers to assemble, but as I understand it, one of the main problems is that a lot of the production associated with electric cars is relates to the batteries, and those plants are frequently either out of the country, in the south where unions tend not to exist, in plants that aren't unionized, or as part of completely unrelated companies.
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In the “south” you mean southern Michigan, right? As that is where ford is putting a new battery plant. Which would be a UAW plant.

Also, BEVs may use a slightly smaller number of people, the EV mandate includes all forms of hybrid, which take more labor due to the extra complexity. And hybrids will dominate the EV market for many years to come.
 
SJHovey said:
They do require fewer workers to assemble, but as I understand it, one of the main problems is that a lot of the production associated with electric cars is relates to the batteries, and those plants are frequently either out of the country, in the south where unions tend not to exist, in plants that aren't unionized, or as part of completely unrelated companies.
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You mean the type of plants that Biden has started to build here under his infrastructure bill?

Those plants?

https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/16/tr...north-america/

In 2019, just two battery factories were operating in the United States with another two under construction. Today there are about 30 battery factories either planned, under construction or operational in the country.

U.S. president Joe Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act, signed into law August 16, 2022, might not have been the initial catalyst behind the onshoring battery factory trend. But it did help open the spigot and accelerate the pace of factory projects — not to mention sparking a climate tech arms race with the EU. One year later, we’re here to make sense of it.
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That’s because the IRA is rife with incentives for automakers and consumers to produce domestically — a concerted effort to end the U.S.’s reliance on China for batteries, while simultaneously meeting Biden’s goal to make 50% of all new vehicle sales in the U.S. electric or hybrid by 2030. Vehicles can qualify for the full $7,500 EV tax credit if they meet certain battery sourcing and production guidelines.
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Good, well-paying 'Merican jobs. Who'da thunk it? Goddam that Joe Biden.
 
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Funny situation in the shampeachment hearing yesterday. Well, sadfunny.

Representative Raskin moved to subpoena Rudy!!! and Lev Parnas. Gym Jordan realized he didn't have the votes to kill it, so he and others asked the clerk to repeat themselves like 25 times while staffers frantically contacted GQP members to, you know, actually attend so they could vote. Later in the day, Representative Mfume made the same motion, and the same situation and result.

Good to see these cretins taking this so seriously that they can't' even be bothered to attend. This is banana republic crap.
 
Swansong said:
Funny situation in the shampeachment hearing yesterday. Well, sadfunny.

Representative Raskin moved to subpoena Rudy!!! and Lev Parnas. Gym Jordan realized he didn't have the votes to kill it, so he and others asked the clerk to repeat themselves like 25 times while staffers frantically contacted GQP members to, you know, actually attend so they could vote. Later in the day, Representative Mfume made the same motion, and the same situation and result.

Good to see these cretins taking this so seriously that they can't' even be bothered to attend. This is banana republic crap.
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Wow, they're meeting again today after yesterdays complete shitshow? Did they actually call a witness today that has first hand knowledge of Joe Biden's crimes?
 
MichVandal said:
In the “south” you mean southern Michigan, right? As that is where ford is putting a new battery plant. Which would be a UAW plant.
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My understanding is that the Marshall factory (still under construction and unstaffed) became *the* driving wedge between the UAW and Ford just a couple days ago when Ford inferred at the negotiation table that they could make this a non-union plant. The UAW retorted that it was a Ford owned facility, using Ford tooling, with Ford leasing the technology, and NOT a joint venture, so no, it couldn't just become a non-union facility with the wave of a hand.
 
MichVandal said:
In the “south” you mean southern Michigan, right? As that is where ford is putting a new battery plant. Which would be a UAW plant.

Also, BEVs may use a slightly smaller number of people, the EV mandate includes all forms of hybrid, which take more labor due to the extra complexity. And hybrids will dominate the EV market for many years to come.
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Actually I was thinking more about this report that I saw, and in particular, the map on page 3. I have no idea if their numbers are accurate, or not, but they seem to track with news stories that I've seen that suggest the UAW is concerned about the same thing.

According to the report, the investment in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana would result in about 32,000 new jobs. But that's even less than that planned for Georgia alone, to say nothing of the other deep south states like Kentucky, Tennessee and the Carolina's.
 
aparch said:
LOL, They can't even bribe someone to commit a felony by lying under oath to push along their fake narrative. I hear Rudy needs some cash, surprised he didn't offer up a make believe story.
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This entire thing began as a Rudy make believe story.

It's part of what got Wee Donnie One-term impeached. The first time.
 
aparch said:
LOL, They can't even bribe someone to commit a felony by lying under oath to push along their fake narrative. I hear Rudy needs some cash, surprised he didn't offer up a make believe story.
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Well they did show doctored text messages to try and prove something happened...which were allowed only cause no one is under oath.
 
SJHovey said:
Actually I was thinking more about this report that I saw, and in particular, the map on page 3. I have no idea if their numbers are accurate, or not, but they seem to track with news stories that I've seen that suggest the UAW is concerned about the same thing.

According to the report, the investment in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana would result in about 32,000 new jobs. But that's even less than that planned for Georgia alone, to say nothing of the other deep south states like Kentucky, Tennessee and the Carolina's.
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Again, the facts of that are not incorrect, just incomplete. Hybrids will dominate for a long time, and they are more complex than ice cars.
 
Another 336,000 jobs added (many more than most economists predicted), unemployment still at historic lows, and inflation is still around a third of what it was when it hit its worst mark over a year ago, but Biden's economic policies suck, right?
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
Another 336,000 jobs added (many more than most economists predicted), unemployment still at historic lows, and inflation is still around a third of what it was when it hit its worst mark over a year ago, but Biden's economic policies suck, right?
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If Politico and the New York Times area to be believed a great economy is the death kneel of the Biden Presidency!

Apparently "It's the economy stupid" means something completely different now...
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
Another 336,000 jobs added (many more than most economists predicted), unemployment still at historic lows, and inflation is still around a third of what it was when it hit its worst mark over a year ago, but Biden's economic policies suck, right?
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Yeah, but the cost of airport booze has really skyrocketed, which is obviously bad news for Biden.
 
I can see the overall good that has happened, but for me personally, things have gotten a bit tighter over the past year. I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling some sort of crunch.

(For the record, things are still livable, but I've lost the ability to throw gobs of money away at retirement trying to make up for lost time. Also a home is still just a dream, and having a vehicle that can realistically go belly up in the next 12 months is not a purchase I welcome with open arms.)

It is something that people don't really understand the inner workings of, but they definitely realize when it hits them personally.
 
RaceBoarder said:
I can see the overall good that has happened, but for me personally, things have gotten a bit tighter over the past year. I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling some sort of crunch.

(For the record, things are still livable, but I've lost the ability to throw gobs of money away at retirement trying to make up for lost time. Also a home is still just a dream, and having a vehicle that can realistically go belly up in the next 12 months is not a purchase I welcome with open arms.)

It is something that people don't really understand the inner workings of, but they definitely realize when it hits them personally.
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Much of your issue is that employers have the upper hand. So wages are not that high, relative to cost of living. Thanks to the union busting over the last few decades for that.
 
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