POTUS 45.5 - Sweden is Under Attack

[Kepler]

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If Maher really "exposed" this guy

Maher didn't expose him, he exposed himself.

I watched the "overtime" segment where Wilpon took him to the woodshed, and it was like watching a Nobel laureate brush off a middle schooler.

When these guys can hide behind a hate radio mic (or a 4chan show, or a social media handle) and control the debate they're fine, but put them on even footing with an intelligent liberal and in 3 minutes they're a burned out cinder. That's why O'Reilly and Hannity and Breitbart (RIP) and Alex Jones have to only play home games. Like their GOP comrades, they only win if they cheat.

Look for instance and what happened when Milo deployed the classic Echo Chamber ruse, {ridiculous statement} followed by "this is undeniable." Everybody who has dealt with an intellectual bully recognizes this move, and the countermeasure is simple and devastating, "says who?" or "no, in fact, it's not -- it's just lunacy." That forces the bully to put up or shut up, and of course he can't do either, so he makes himself out a fool. Once Larry did that they might as well have stopped the fight, because Milo didn't get another jab in all night, he was cooked.

That's how to deal with these hateful fascists: keep you head and aim for their glass jaw. I hope the press was watching because Trump is just Milo with a smaller vocabulary and more of a drama queen.

 

[MaizeRage]

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Maher didn't expose him, he exposed himself.

Not even close if you walked away from the interview thinking his whole schtick is rolling into town to say outlandish stuff to make people mad.

 

[Rover]

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Yes, CNN giving Trump unlimited airtime certainly didn't normalize his rhetoric at all and really tanked his campaign. What a tremendous strategy that is.

If Maher really "exposed" this guy, why do I have to argue with a thread full of valid opinion havers that think explicit threats to rape and murder women is just saying mean stuff to bait liberals? Believe it or not, the guy maybe downplayed some of the less savory aspects of what his people do. Maher could have had on one of the dozens of victims he's harassed on the show instead of, or at least in addition to, Milo to present a more accurate picture. Instead, a credulous audience walked away saying "Yeah....why shouldn't the will be able to triumph?"

Agree completely here. I would be nice to live in a world where right wing nutters hung themselves rhetorically whenever they got on a lamestream media platform. Problem is that doesn't happen with a willing and compliant media and people way to busy with their ordinary lives to sort through every lie that goes unchallenged. Maher (and yes, I've watched his show) is useless. Always has been.

Moving on, Scooby Trump blowing off health care reform and tax policy is no surprise. As I said before, he's set this up perfectly to leave GOP Congresscritters holding the bag. If they try to eliminate health care for his working class voters, particularly Medicaid expansion, he'll veto and look like a hero to these people. He gets to make promises like nobody with current ACA exchange policies will lose coverage while sticking Weasel Paul Ryan with the impossible task of making that and full repeal happen. A more conventional Republican wouldn't do this but he owes these people nothing and is probably more interested in the lighting at his next press conference than actually passing anything into law over the course of his term with the exception of 1) kicking out all illegals which he really seems to actually care about, and 2) scrapping a couple of trade deals. Everything else is window dressing. Remember all those things he was going to do in Syria once he took office? Has anybody heard Syria mentioned since before Inauguration Day except for his travel ban?

 

[BassAle]

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Has anybody heard Syria mentioned since before Inauguration Day except for his travel ban?

yes, they have been talking about putting boots on the ground in Syria

 

[Kepler]

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Not even close if you walked away from the interview thinking his whole schtick is rolling into town to say outlandish stuff to make people mad.

From what I can see, that is his schtick. He's a more feminine Anne Coulter. He found a market inefficiency: the expected value of provoking socio-political rage is greater than 1.0 under present conditions. His conservative precursors running all the way back to Limbaugh, or even Birch, or even Coughlin, have established a Treasury of Hate Merit which conservative provocateurs can draw from to gain wealth and influence. The decades of hard work those forefathers spent spewing garbage and driving people apart have created a National Hatred Reserve, and Milo is tapping it.

But like Tinker Bell, he can only live if you believe in him. Laughter and dismissal breaks the conduit and leaves him to fall back on his own merits, which are sub-zero.

You can see this in miniature in the way Fish operates. He will drop some reference to a laughable conservative pseudo-argument and then tiptoe away with a mincing "Wouldn't we be prudent to keep this in mind, la?" soupçon of counterfeit impartiality. He is, after all, only asking the question. Milo is doing the same thing but flipping it on its head -- where Fish tries to sneak his Passive Aggressive Horse past the gates of your rationality, Milo uses his battering ram.

 

[Kepler]

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yes, they have been talking about putting boots on the ground in Syria

Are they talking about it or was that just the "totally accidentally leaked no really it wasn't a trial balloon" internal memo about surge pricing the Aleppo Apocalypse with American blood?

 

[MaizeRage]

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From what I can see, that is his schtick.

And like you've been told repeatedly, you are incredibly ignorant about this.

But keep telling yourself you're some kind of free speech hero for granting incredible privilege to guy who built his fame by directing serial harassment towards women who tried to express an opinion about video games or busting ghosts. The people who don't think he should be rewarded for that are the real monsters.

 

[Kepler]

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As I said before, he's set this up perfectly to leave GOP Congresscritters holding the bag. If they try to eliminate health care for his working class voters, particularly Medicaid expansion, he'll veto and look like a hero to these people. He gets to make promises like nobody with current ACA exchange policies will lose coverage while sticking Weasel Paul Ryan with the impossible task of making that and full repeal happen. A more conventional Republican wouldn't do this but he owes these people nothing and is probably more interested in the lighting at his next press conference than actually passing anything into law over the course of his term with the exception of 1) kicking out all illegals which he really seems to actually care about, and 2) scrapping a couple of trade deals. Everything else is window dressing.

Hmm. Going to have to think about this but you actually make a pretty good case. The place where it collapses for me is that it would require Trump to be capable of formulating and executing a plan. I have seen no indication that Trump can tie his own shoes. But if you're saying "he" is shorthand for "whoever is actually running Trump, other than / alongside Putin" then yeah, I'd subscribe to your newsletter.

Speaking of the Great Pumpkin, the Beeb mentioned last night that he's considering extending a White House Briefing press credential to InfoWars. Somebody should check in on Flag to make sure he hasn't died of spontaneous auto-erotic asphyxiation.

 

[Kepler]

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And like you've been told repeatedly, you are incredibly ignorant about this.

And as I've said back, on Milo I am absolutely ignorant. What I'm talking about are the tactics he employed on the Maher appearance and that's it. He may well be Hitler In Drag in his other incarnation. I'm not debating that. I don't care about Milo himself, I care about the particular little glich in the liberal mindset that he has perhaps unwittingly stumbled upon. That's a real thing and it's under our control and we are fully capable of designing a countermeasure.

But for some reason when I talk about that you go apesh-t as if I'm aiding and abetting. I'm not. Like you, having watched his overtime performance I can see that like Coulter he is completely without scruple and is potentially HIGHLY dangerous in that he provides cover for the worst type of conservative cretin to smuggle hate into the public discourse under cover of the First Amendment and "liberal intolerance hurr de hurr". But that isn't new -- Glenn Beck, Anne Coulter and others have been doing it for decades. What they didn't do, at least quite so overtly, was expose a bind spot that we need to address. In the meantime yes of course I'd enjoy watching him torn limb from limb in brutal agony for eternity. He's just another garden variety monster hiding behind tolerance to spread intolerance.

The only "heroism" in this story is if liberals dive down below the water line and fix the hole in the hull he has pointed all of our attention to. He's a useful monster. If the arsonist walking by your house says, " you know, you should really check your smoke alarms," don't be like "well the last thing I'm going to do is check my smoke alarms, because that guy is awful."

 

[rufus]

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I doubt if he did it deliberately."ha ha, this is my secret strategy to put it all on Ryan's head". More likely, he and his "cabinet" can't come up with a solution to save their lives, or even more, don't have the ambition to even attempt to do so. So punt it off to Ryan and let him deal with it.

If they come up with something good that everyone loves, he'll take creditfor it, just like he took credit for all those companies investing money in the US, that had been in the works since long before he'd been elected. If it turns to crap, which it likely will, as it's after all, Paul Ryan and congressional Republicans, and people turn theuir ire towards it, he'll just step back and shrug, "hey, wasn't me. I give them something to do and they fail. Sad. Losers".

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I doubt if he did it deliberately."ha ha, this is my secret strategy to put it all on Ryan's head". More likely, he and his "cabinet" can't come up with a solution to save their lives, or even more, don't have the ambition to even attempt to do so. So punt it off to Ryan and let him deal with it.

If they come up with something good that everyone loves, he'll take creditfor it, just like he took credit for all those companies investing money in the US, that had been in the works since long before he'd been elected. If it turns to crap, which it likely will, as it's after all, Paul Ryan and congressional Republicans, and people turn theuir ire towards it, he'll just step back and shrug, "hey, wasn't me. I give them something to do and they fail. Sad. Losers".

It appears to me he has no plan. Which is very disheartening because I know what Ryan's plans are for everything and they're unworkable disasters. I keep hoping for some new ideas in Washington out of anybody and I just don't hear any. We never solve problems anymore we just move chairs around on the Titanic.

 

[St. Clown]

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It appears to me he has no plan.

Of course Hair Furor had no plan, that's why his whole campaign was based around "We've got the best guys working on it. The smartest! Trust me, it's going to be great." Everything he does is winging it or coopting someone else's plans and calling them his own. Until they fail, then he's created for himself an out, the ability to blame someone else for the failure.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Of course Hair Furor had no plan, that's why his whole campaign was based around "We've got the best guys working on it. The smartest! Trust me, it's going to be great." Everything he does is winging it or coopting someone else's plans and calling them his own. Until they fail, then he's created for himself an out, the ability to blame someone else for the failure.

Well, that would be fine if he were hiring the top people with ideas. Maybe it's my partisan blinders but I just don't see it. I've seen report after report after report for example on Health Care from the Townhalls and they don't appear to have a single new idea. It's really distressing.

Funny that I just posted that and this popped up on my feed.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...ealth-care-plan-doesnt-exist?cid=sm_fb_maddow

 

[jerphisch]

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So today Dumpster called his immigration enforcement "a military operation," why isn't Flag all over this?

 

[MaizeRage]

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And as I've said back, on Milo I am absolutely ignorant. What I'm talking about are the tactics he employed on the Maher appearance and that's it.

How courageous of you to suggest we all just ignore it when it’s not your computer being hacked and your safety being put in jeopardy. You’ve apparently turned a blind eye to that for some time and the issue hasn’t gotten any better. He’s potentially dangerous? You still don’t get that that line was crossed long ago.

The tactic he employed on Bill Maher was to take a naive audience and convince them, “Oh, he’s bad, but he’s not that bad,” and apparently it worked.

Give the guy a free platform to sell himself and, like in his Facebook apology for the kiddie-diddling, he’s going to say, “I’ve spent my career as a journalist to expose pedophiles,” rather than the more specific version of the story which was “I was mad at a woman for trying to shut down my child porn site, so my minions hacked into her computer and forged chat transcripts to make her look like a pedophile, which I then broadcasted” Which page of the Ann Coulter playbook is that out of, by the way?

 

[geezer]

And like you've been told repeatedly, you are incredibly ignorant about this.

But keep telling yourself you're some kind of free speech hero for granting incredible privilege to guy who built his fame by directing serial harassment towards women who tried to express an opinion about video games or busting ghosts. The people who don't think he should be rewarded for that are the real monsters.

I don't understand why you pretend to be arguing; you and Kepler have been making 2 claims about 2 things, both of which are true. He never said that Jones didn't get harassed, and surely you agree that conservative pundits make shallow arguments...

 

[St. Clown]

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I don't understand why you pretend to be arguing; you and Kepler have been making 2 claims about 2 things, both of which are true.

He's just Raging.

 

[geezer]

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And while Milo is despicable, it's disheartening to see the liberal media (Slate and others) following Trumps lead on the malleability of facts. Milo said he enjoyed being abused by his Catholic so therefore man-boy love must be okay. The press had conflated that into "Milo the exposed pedophile." This kind of reporting perpetuates untruth and distrust.

 

[jerphisch]

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And while Milo is despicable, it's disheartening to see the liberal media (Slate and others) following Trumps lead on the malleability of facts. Milo said he enjoyed being abused by his Catholic so therefore man-boy love must be okay. The press had conflated that into "Milo the exposed pedophile." This kind of reporting perpetuates untruth and distrust.

No, he said once kids hit puberty sex with them is ok.

 

[MaizeRage]

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No, he said once kids hit puberty sex with them is ok.

Exactly. If only it took a five-second Google search to read the transcript verbatim.

We get hung up on this child abuse stuff… This is one of the reasons why I hate the left, the one size fits all policing of culture, this arbitrary and oppressive idea of consent.
I’m grateful for Father Michael [a Catholic priest Milo claims to have had sex with as a teenager]. I wouldn’t give nearly such good head if it wasn’t for him.
Pedophilia is not a sexual attraction to somebody who is 13 years old and sexually mature. Pedophilia is attraction to children who have not reached puberty, who do not have functioning sex organs yet, who have not gone through puberty.
In the gay world, some of the most important enriching, and incredibly life-affirming, important, shaping relationships are between younger boys and older men. They can be hugely positive experiences very often for those young boys.