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Re: POTUS 45.5 - Sweden is Under Attack
They tried that, but then the clock started flashing 12:00:00.
They tried that, but then the clock started flashing 12:00:00.
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POTUS 45.5 - Sweden is Under Attack
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.5 - Sweden is Under Attack
Yes, and it's NOT true -- some of us have figured out the game, though to be honest it took years of working with hate radio listeners until I personally finally figured it out.
The right lies when it says the left is intolerant. But the left does have problems listening and above all we have problems remembering who our audience is. The conveyor belt response is to drop a poli sci 450 seminar on people, and most people neither are able nor wish to function at that level. They want quick, pithy truthiness, and the right is perfectly positioned to serve it up.
Essentially, the problem is members of the left spent their intellectual formative years in academia and science, where truth is always provisional and modeled. Members of the right spent their intellectual formative years in church or the army, where truth is declarative and proceeds down a chain of command, or in business, where truth is just another illusion used to sell people things.
The other problem is that while righties, when they lose their cool, resort to their fists, lefties when they lose their cool resort to moralistic hissy fits. With righties it doesn't matter all that much, because they live in a (fictional) universe of animal absolutes and force is the ultimate animal absolute. But lefties live in a (knowingly constructed then deconstructed then analyzed ad nauseam) universe of vegetable lifecycles where everything is an organic sociological growth of everything else, so when they go into Sputtering Spurned Teen mode they've given away all their leverage and footing. For conservatives, anger is power. For liberals, it is the mind-killer.
So we lose an argument as soon as it becomes a brawl, and when we shout down some idiot like Milo (or Maher) we create the brawl which we will inevitably lose. The way to "win" is to remain upright, argue using our strengths of logic and knowledge, accept that you will never convince the speaker, but do your best to show the best side of your argument to any passers-by. That is how cultural battles are won.
Yes, and it's NOT true -- some of us have figured out the game, though to be honest it took years of working with hate radio listeners until I personally finally figured it out.
The right lies when it says the left is intolerant. But the left does have problems listening and above all we have problems remembering who our audience is. The conveyor belt response is to drop a poli sci 450 seminar on people, and most people neither are able nor wish to function at that level. They want quick, pithy truthiness, and the right is perfectly positioned to serve it up.
Essentially, the problem is members of the left spent their intellectual formative years in academia and science, where truth is always provisional and modeled. Members of the right spent their intellectual formative years in church or the army, where truth is declarative and proceeds down a chain of command, or in business, where truth is just another illusion used to sell people things.
The other problem is that while righties, when they lose their cool, resort to their fists, lefties when they lose their cool resort to moralistic hissy fits. With righties it doesn't matter all that much, because they live in a (fictional) universe of animal absolutes and force is the ultimate animal absolute. But lefties live in a (knowingly constructed then deconstructed then analyzed ad nauseam) universe of vegetable lifecycles where everything is an organic sociological growth of everything else, so when they go into Sputtering Spurned Teen mode they've given away all their leverage and footing. For conservatives, anger is power. For liberals, it is the mind-killer.
So we lose an argument as soon as it becomes a brawl, and when we shout down some idiot like Milo (or Maher) we create the brawl which we will inevitably lose. The way to "win" is to remain upright, argue using our strengths of logic and knowledge, accept that you will never convince the speaker, but do your best to show the best side of your argument to any passers-by. That is how cultural battles are won.
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dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: POTUS 45.5 - Sweden is Under Attack
If by fists you mean their guns, and by guns I don't mean their arms, and by arms I don't mean their firearms.
If by fists you mean their guns, and by guns I don't mean their arms, and by arms I don't mean their firearms.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.5 - Sweden is Under Attack
I mean when you back a righty into a corner he'll come at you with violence, and when you back a liberal into a corner he'll write an angry letter to The New Yorker and make a bitterly funny tweet. Meanwhile the righty, having made his "point," lumbers off in search of loose shoes, tight p-ssy and a warm place to sh-t.
I mean when you back a righty into a corner he'll come at you with violence, and when you back a liberal into a corner he'll write an angry letter to The New Yorker and make a bitterly funny tweet. Meanwhile the righty, having made his "point," lumbers off in search of loose shoes, tight p-ssy and a warm place to sh-t.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: POTUS 45.5 - Sweden is Under Attack
In the end though, isn't that what everyone wants? The witty tweet I mean. Clearly.
In the end though, isn't that what everyone wants? The witty tweet I mean. Clearly.
Re: POTUS 45.5 - Sweden is Under Attack
To be able to stand, in the face of disbelievers or even mortal enemies and speak the same message, over and over, with an undying faith that sooner or later it will get through, is something I've long admired. It probably speaks to why MLK was as effective as he was.
I can't think of a professional calling I'd less like to have as my chosen career than that of pastor/priest/reverend/rabbi, etc..., but I can't think of another group whose ability to persuade I'd more like to have as my own.
To be able to stand, in the face of disbelievers or even mortal enemies and speak the same message, over and over, with an undying faith that sooner or later it will get through, is something I've long admired. It probably speaks to why MLK was as effective as he was.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: POTUS 45.5 - Sweden is Under Attack
Anne Frank Center delivers an absolutely brutal line to Trump, "Anne Frank Center slams Trump: 'Do not make us Jews settle for crumbs of condescension'"
Anne Frank Center delivers an absolutely brutal line to Trump, "Anne Frank Center slams Trump: 'Do not make us Jews settle for crumbs of condescension'"
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: POTUS 45.5 - Sweden is Under Attack
"I like Jews who weren't captured and killed, OK?"
"I like Jews who weren't captured and killed, OK?"
Re: POTUS 45.5 - Sweden is Under Attack
Maybe if the Jews had simply not gotten so emotional and ignored the Nazis...
If you came away from the Bill Maher thing thinking that sending someone a message saying "This is your unlisted address and I'm coming to rape you" is just a joke that liberal snowflakes can't help but "take the bait" on, well....I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that Bill Maher did a far less sufficient job of shining light on the issue than you believe.
Maybe if the Jews had simply not gotten so emotional and ignored the Nazis...
If you came away from the Bill Maher thing thinking that sending someone a message saying "This is your unlisted address and I'm coming to rape you" is just a joke that liberal snowflakes can't help but "take the bait" on, well....I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that Bill Maher did a far less sufficient job of shining light on the issue than you believe.
Re: POTUS 45.5 - Sweden is Under Attack
People tend to forget how much opposition he faced from those inside the black community who did not believe change could be accomplished peacefully.
His words:
The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral,
begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy.
Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.
Through violence you may murder the liar,
but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth.
Through violence you may murder the hater,
but you do not murder hate.
In fact, violence merely increases hate.
So it goes.
Returning violence for violence multiplies violence,
adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness:
only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
People tend to forget how much opposition he faced from those inside the black community who did not believe change could be accomplished peacefully.
His words:
The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral,
begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy.
Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.
Through violence you may murder the liar,
but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth.
Through violence you may murder the hater,
but you do not murder hate.
In fact, violence merely increases hate.
So it goes.
Returning violence for violence multiplies violence,
adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness:
only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Re: POTUS 45.5 - Sweden is Under Attack
I laughed...because I totally saw him saying that!
"Anne Frank...I read her book. Honestly, it was terrible. My book was a New York Times bestseller! It is one of the best selling books in the history of the industry! In fact, I believe I read it sold more books than even the Bible! I dont know if it is true but I read it! Do you think Hillary Clinton's book could do that...WRONG! Anne Frank is a little girl and her foundation is worthless. The Donald Trump Foundation gives BILLIONS in aide to people all over the world! They are the heroes, they were killed in a war because they lived in an Attic!!"
BTW Maize has definitely gone full Foxton...
I laughed...because I totally saw him saying that!
"Anne Frank...I read her book. Honestly, it was terrible. My book was a New York Times bestseller! It is one of the best selling books in the history of the industry! In fact, I believe I read it sold more books than even the Bible! I dont know if it is true but I read it! Do you think Hillary Clinton's book could do that...WRONG! Anne Frank is a little girl and her foundation is worthless. The Donald Trump Foundation gives BILLIONS in aide to people all over the world! They are the heroes, they were killed in a war because they lived in an Attic!!"
BTW Maize has definitely gone full Foxton...
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
Re: POTUS 45.5 - Sweden is Under Attack
"Which, by the way, is not as good as my attic. My attic is tremendous."
"Which, by the way, is not as good as my attic. My attic is tremendous."
Re: POTUS 45.5 - Sweden is Under Attack
Its truly stunning the number of proposed election policies Trump has gone back on in his one month in office.
Its truly stunning the number of proposed election policies Trump has gone back on in his one month in office.
Re: POTUS 45.5 - Sweden is Under Attack
Yes, CNN giving Trump unlimited airtime certainly didn't normalize his rhetoric at all and really tanked his campaign. What a tremendous strategy that is.
If Maher really "exposed" this guy, why do I have to argue with a thread full of valid opinion havers that think explicit threats to rape and murder women is just saying mean stuff to bait liberals? Believe it or not, the guy maybe downplayed some of the less savory aspects of what his people do. Maher could have had on one of the dozens of victims he's harassed on the show instead of, or at least in addition to, Milo to present a more accurate picture. Instead, a credulous audience walked away saying "Yeah....why shouldn't the will be able to triumph?"
Yes, CNN giving Trump unlimited airtime certainly didn't normalize his rhetoric at all and really tanked his campaign. What a tremendous strategy that is.
If Maher really "exposed" this guy, why do I have to argue with a thread full of valid opinion havers that think explicit threats to rape and murder women is just saying mean stuff to bait liberals? Believe it or not, the guy maybe downplayed some of the less savory aspects of what his people do. Maher could have had on one of the dozens of victims he's harassed on the show instead of, or at least in addition to, Milo to present a more accurate picture. Instead, a credulous audience walked away saying "Yeah....why shouldn't the will be able to triumph?"
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