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POTUS 45.3 - Bowling Green Massacre Memorial Thread

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Drew S. said:
Perhaps you're right, but what I saw was a lot of kids not graduate HS and a lot of the ones that did didn't go on to college. It didn't seem that whatever standards the federal government set helped out at all. It's obviousl anecdotal and maybe in other places the standards make a big difference in the quality of education.
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Here's the thing- kids are kids. The average should not change if you are poor or not. Unless you think otherwise....

But given the current state of the rules, it's ok to bias funding based on the region- and since property taxes correlate to income, as well as the primary funding for schools- poor areas get poor school systems. There are great areas in the metro-Detroit area that are light years different than Detroit. Thanks to efforts from DeVos, school of choice allows people WHO CAN choose do as much. But people who really can't don't have options. So they suffer. Nobody seems to get that- choice is only good when you can actually make it. So there's massive difference in kids coming from most areas not named Detroit.

And what you say is that we should just let poor areas suffer. great. Let the poor get poorer. That's an awesome solution.

The Sicatoka said:
I've said it about colleges, and I believe it holds true at the public school level --> It's not the school you put the kid into, it's what the kid puts into school.

Now, hidden in that statement is the implicit understanding that the basic tools are available at the school.
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And that's the key. That last part is so far from true, it's not even funny.

But we pretend it's true.

I make an example using Detroit, because it's in the news, but it's no different than the remote rural areas in Michigan. They don't seem to care.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Yup. But the finest schools in the world can't make a kid want to learn.
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The implication in that message is that if families don't want to support their kids, than neither should we.

Is that what we want? We don't want to make a strong path for poorer people to get out via high skilled jobs? The only lucky ones are the one with driven parents?

What about the kid with driven parents but in a district of not? They get to suffer for it?

The issue is that the system biases poor people to just stay that way. That seems hardly sustainable.
 
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alfablue said:
I make an example using Detroit, because it's in the news, but it's no different than the remote rural areas in Michigan. They don't seem to care.
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I like to say "Detroit, Michigan or Michigan, North Dakota" because neither is as charming as the travel brochure would have you believe.

The thing is, the folks in Michigan, ND, do care. They expect their kids to make the most of what they can make available.
 
alfablue said:
The implication in that message is that if families don't want to support their kids, than neither should we.

Is that what we want? We don't want to make a strong path for poorer people to get out via high skilled jobs? The only lucky ones are the one with driven parents?

What about the kid with driven parents but in a district of not? They get to suffer for it?

The issue is that the system biases poor people to just stay that way. That seems hardly sustainable.
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I feel like what I've learned recently is that the poor people want more Jesus in their schools, not better science or math.
 
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alfablue said:
The implication in that message is that if families don't want to support their kids, than neither should we.
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As much as you believe/hope/pray otherwise, the in-home influence is still far greater than us. If education is not valued in the home we're two strikes down and a Mariano Rivera cutter is on the way.
 
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alfablue said:
Here's the thing- kids are kids. The average should not change if you are poor or not. Unless you think otherwise....

But given the current state of the rules, it's ok to bias funding based on the region- and since property taxes correlate to income, as well as the primary funding for schools- poor areas get poor school systems. There are great areas in the metro-Detroit area that are light years different than Detroit. Thanks to efforts from DeVos, school of choice allows people WHO CAN choose do as much. But people who really can't don't have options. So they suffer. Nobody seems to get that- choice is only good when you can actually make it. So there's massive difference in kids coming from most areas not named Detroit.

And what you say is that we should just let poor areas suffer. great. Let the poor get poorer. That's an awesome solution.


And that's the key. That last part is so far from true, it's not even funny.

But we pretend it's true.

I make an example using Detroit, because it's in the news, but it's no different than the remote rural areas in Michigan. They don't seem to care.
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Read all the other posts on this subject. Like it or not the environment you are raised in has a much bigger effect on how you do versus the quality of the schools. The education standards and testing are very well intentioned but at the end of the day they don't really change outcomes.

All of this absolutely sucks but it is the way things are.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Hey! I took handy to grand forks once
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Ah yes the weekend where the lady was arrested for watching porn with her window open in full view of a school (during recess) and spit on the cops as they arrested her! Grand Forks may smell like *** but it is definitely the height of class :p

Dont forget the sign about how 2 out of 5 people in Grand Forks dont know how to put a car seat in correctly :D
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I'm pretty sure he believes you drugged him and put him into some sort of VR environment 'cause ain't nothin' beyond 494/694! :D
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My grandparents lived in Waterloo, IA...I know stuff exists past the loop I am just saying unless you want to hear dueling banjos and lots of pig squeelin' you best keep your guard up :D
 
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Drew S. said:
Read all the other posts on this subject. Like it or not the environment you are raised in has a much bigger effect on how you do versus the quality of the schools.
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Which is why we should cut social programs. Am I right?
 
Handyman said:
Ah yes the weekend where the lady was arrested for watching porn with her window open in full view of a school (during recess) and spit on the cops as they arrested her! Grand Forks may smell like *** but it is definitely the height of class :p

Dont forget the sign about how 2 out of 5 people in Grand Forks dont know how to put a car seat in correctly :D
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I still have the photo of that billboard
 
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Handyman said:
Cause...EMAILZ!!1!11!!!!!

Plus Obama golfed so it is obviously the same thing...
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I'd be willing to wager the cost of the Trumps' trips and extra Mar-a-lago and NYC expenses will be well in excess of Obama's by the end of year four.

Or maybe a better bet is that the cost of personal trips, not state visits, will be well in excess.
 
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Drew S. said:
Is the Education Department a social program? I wouldn't consider it one.
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Nothing gets by you. No, the social programs would be how you can improve the environment children are raised in.
 
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