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POTUS 45.3 - Bowling Green Massacre Memorial Thread

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Drew S. said:
If you have a way to pay for that I think it would be wonderful.
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Provide security for POTUS and FLOTUS at only one primary residence ;)
Don't build a semi-invisible wall along the southern border
Don't buy weapons systems the SecDef says we don't need
Treat all income equally for taxation
Raise the top rate
Close tax loopholes
Not locking up minorities at a shamefully higher rate when commiting the same crimes as whites (look at that, by treating everyone equally we save money!)

Have I paid for something yet?
 
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Only it means testing is a net positive.

I don't want something silly like drug testing welfare recipients since the implementation and execution of that program costs more than it saves.
 
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Senate Republicans vote to strip anyone who criticizes Session's record of the right to speak during his confirmation hearing.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Wait, in addition to Warren?
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Well the rule could be applied to anyone. I mean, if they have the gall to read a letter from Coretta Scott King. Don't they stuff she did some great stuff that people are talking about more and more?
 
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Yeah, the OOTD was discussed or is being discussed in the congress thread. :)
 
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A man-child in chief:


Unsurprisingly, Trump’s volatile behavior has created an environment ripe for leaks from his executive agencies and even within his White House. And while leaks typically involve staffers sabotaging each other to improve their own standing or trying to scuttle policy ideas they find genuinely problematic, Trump’s 2-week-old administration has a third category: leaks from White House and agency officials alarmed by the president’s conduct.

“I’ve been in this town for 26 years. I have never seen anything like this,” said Eliot Cohen, a senior State Department official under President George W. Bush and a member of his National Security Council. “I genuinely do not think this is a mentally healthy president.”
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There is the matter of Trump’s briefing materials, for example. The commander in chief doesn’t like to read long memos, a White House aide who asked to remain unnamed told The Huffington Post. So preferably they must be no more than a single page. They must have bullet points but not more than nine per page.

Small things can provide him great joy or generate intense irritation. Trump told The New York Times that he’s fascinated with the phone system inside the White House. At the same time, he’s registered a complaint about the hand towels aboard Air Force One, the White House aide said, because they are not soft enough.

He’s been particularly obsessed with the performance of his aides on cable television. Past presidents typically didn’t make time to watch their press secretary’s daily briefings with reporters, but Trump appears to have made it part of his routine. “Saturday Night Live’s” weekly skewering of his administration is similarly on his must-watch list ― with his reaction ranging from unamused to seething.
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Do they cut the crust off his sandwiches? How often is his diaper changed? Is allowed yet to play with scissors? Can he be found shouting, "yaaaay" or "boooo" while watching Nickelodean?
 
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French Rage said:
Senate Republicans vote to strip anyone who criticizes Session's record of the right to speak during his confirmation hearing.
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A fish rots from the head. They're taking their cue from Impious I.

This is the real danger. It's not Colicky Trump crying and shi-tting himself during the State of the Union. It's the cowards in the GOP aping him.
 
jerphisch said:
Provide security for POTUS and FLOTUS at only one primary residence ;)
Don't build a semi-invisible wall along the southern border
Don't buy weapons systems the SecDef says we don't need
Treat all income equally for taxation
Raise the top rate
Close tax loopholes
Not locking up minorities at a shamefully higher rate when commiting the same crimes as whites (look at that, by treating everyone equally we save money!)

Have I paid for something yet?
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Keep in mind we're starting $500B in the hole. I'd go along with most of those except maybe the last one. From what I've seen in Maine there are a lot more white people who should be in jail. The whole narrative of too many people in jail sounds great until someone you or someone you care about is a victim of a crime.
 
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I was going to write about how the Democrats doing nothing for another 8 years would be better for everyone then what is happening right now.

But, I won't.

Instead I'll just say this again. I hope everyone is enjoying what they voted for.
 
Drew S. said:
Keep in mind we're starting $500B in the hole. I'd go along with most of those except maybe the last one. From what I've seen in Maine there are a lot more white people who should be in jail. The whole narrative of too many people in jail sounds great until someone you or someone you care about is a victim of a crime.
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How many are actually in there for violent crimes? I don't actually know the statistics but I would like to see what the numbers would be if we decriminalized or legalized some drugs (mainly marijuana) and stopped locking people up for using/carrying/dealing.

How many White Boy Ricks do we have out there?
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
How many are actually in there for violent crimes? I don't actually know the statistics but I would like to see what the numbers would be if we decriminalized or legalized some drugs (mainly marijuana) and stopped locking people up for using/carrying/dealing.

How many White Boy Ricks do we have out there?
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It's probably tough to track where there are so many jurisdictions. I'd say this, there is a massive difference between 'non-violent' and victimless. The other thing is there could be people who were arrested on half a dozen things and pleaded out to only a drug charge.

I am 100% against private prisons. Those never should have been allowed to be started.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
How many are actually in there for violent crimes? I don't actually know the statistics but I would like to see what the numbers would be if we decriminalized or legalized some drugs (mainly marijuana) and stopped locking people up for using/carrying/dealing.

How many White Boy Ricks do we have out there?
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This data seems to be hard to find from official sources. Plenty of groups that oppose the drug war cite their stats, but I want it from an official source.

Here's one of the better sources on drug crimes, but I don't think it has the right data set.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fjs12st.pdf
 
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Drew S. said:
I was literally saying what we are doing now isn't working and should try something else. That is the opposite of accepting the way things are now. I absolutely want things to be better for those who aren't as fortunate as I was.
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No, you were literally saying

It sounds good in theory but I'm just not sold they make much difference. People are what they are for the most part. The only thing that would concern me is that kids with special needs might not get as good of treatment, but there are other avenues that can be addressed.
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If you think people are people for the most part, that basically says that people who are doing badly in school are the fault of failing schools.

So all of the people in poor districts who are not achieving, it's their own fault.

Mind you, saying that testing requirements are a bad thing- the nation wide testing standards came from No Child Left Behind. Which was the best recent effort other than cutting budgets from Republicans. Bush signed that.

The DeVos's best idea is school of choice- which is a great idea IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY CHOOSE. And that choice requires that parents get involved and figure out a way to get their kids to another school. Poor people can not make that choice. They do not have the means to get their kids to school. What actually has happened with SoC is even more white flight. This has happened in Metro Detroit- once a school gets above a certain level of minority, parents would move their kids to another school http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...creating-white-flight-metro-detroit/90509180/. So this now becomes legal segregation. Yay.

Another result of SoC is that failing schools are not fixed, they are closed. Reducing school choice more for those who struggle with school choice.

No reason to point out that many charter schools are failing as bad or worse than public schools- but at least they make money.

All of this has been tried, and it's pretty clear it doesn't work. The end result is that the state pulls more funding from Detroit, they don't let local control over the school board (and I thought local control was what R's want), and schools are literally falling apart.

Again, you are the one who posted "people are people"- which is a clear line that people who struggle in school are at fault. There's a difference in wanting things to be better, and actually doing something about it. And doing something that has repeatedly shown that it does not work, or works in the opposite way as it was hoped- pretending that it's the proper way to go. You need to fix that dichotomy.
 
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alfablue said:
No, you were literally saying



If you think people are people for the most part, that basically says that people who are doing badly in school are the fault of failing schools.

So all of the people in poor districts who are not achieving, it's their own fault.

Mind you, saying that testing requirements are a bad thing- the nation wide testing standards came from No Child Left Behind. Which was the best recent effort other than cutting budgets from Republicans. Bush signed that.

The DeVos's best idea is school of choice- which is a great idea IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY CHOOSE. And that choice requires that parents get involved and figure out a way to get their kids to another school. Poor people can not make that choice. They do not have the means to get their kids to school. What actually has happened with SoC is even more white flight. This has happened in Metro Detroit- once a school gets above a certain level of minority, parents would move their kids to another school http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...creating-white-flight-metro-detroit/90509180/. So this now becomes legal segregation. Yay.

Another result of SoC is that failing schools are not fixed, they are closed. Reducing school choice more for those who struggle with school choice.

No reason to point out that many charter schools are failing as bad or worse than public schools- but at least they make money.

All of this has been tried, and it's pretty clear it doesn't work. The end result is that the state pulls more funding from Detroit, they don't let local control over the school board (and I thought local control was what R's want), and schools are literally falling apart.

Again, you are the one who posted "people are people"- which is a clear line that people who struggle in school are at fault. There's a difference in wanting things to be better, and actually doing something about it. And doing something that has repeatedly shown that it does not work, or works in the opposite way as it was hoped- pretending that it's the proper way to go. You need to fix that dichotomy.
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Excellent post
 
alfablue said:
No, you were literally saying



If you think people are people for the most part, that basically says that people who are doing badly in school are the fault of failing schools.

So all of the people in poor districts who are not achieving, it's their own fault.

Mind you, saying that testing requirements are a bad thing- the nation wide testing standards came from No Child Left Behind. Which was the best recent effort other than cutting budgets from Republicans. Bush signed that.

The DeVos's best idea is school of choice- which is a great idea IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY CHOOSE. And that choice requires that parents get involved and figure out a way to get their kids to another school. Poor people can not make that choice. They do not have the means to get their kids to school. What actually has happened with SoC is even more white flight. This has happened in Metro Detroit- once a school gets above a certain level of minority, parents would move their kids to another school http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...creating-white-flight-metro-detroit/90509180/. So this now becomes legal segregation. Yay.

Another result of SoC is that failing schools are not fixed, they are closed. Reducing school choice more for those who struggle with school choice.

No reason to point out that many charter schools are failing as bad or worse than public schools- but at least they make money.

All of this has been tried, and it's pretty clear it doesn't work. The end result is that the state pulls more funding from Detroit, they don't let local control over the school board (and I thought local control was what R's want), and schools are literally falling apart.

Again, you are the one who posted "people are people"- which is a clear line that people who struggle in school are at fault. There's a difference in wanting things to be better, and actually doing something about it. And doing something that has repeatedly shown that it does not work, or works in the opposite way as it was hoped- pretending that it's the proper way to go. You need to fix that dichotomy.
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I guess I'm not exactly sure what you are proposing. Are you saying we need more testing or that testing encourages kids to do better? My point was that I don't think the testing changes outcomes. Kids are going to do how they do regardless of whatever test Uncle Sam gives them.

A further point was the family and environment a kid is raised in has more of an effect on how they do than the quality of the school they attend. Do you disagree with this? As a few people pointed out we should try to improve this, which I agree with, but the tricky bit is coming up with the money to pay for it.
 
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