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POTUS 45.3 - Bowling Green Massacre Memorial Thread

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I think the bigger issue is there is a mismatch between supply and demand. There is a large supply of the lower wage (<$50K a year) jobs and only so many people interested in them. Within the group that is interested a decent percentage of them have something holding them back from obtaining one.

One issue I don't think gets much attention but should is how little average, reasonably priced housing is available. I'm sure it varies across the country but in New England this is a big issue for millennials.

Are you talking about buying a home, or renting? I think a majority of Mils are not prepared for home ownership anyway, and yet, I see new McMansions and luxury townhomes being started everywhere. There is going to be another housing bubble is this country within a decade.

Now, rent being very high in many cities is another matter.

I am shocked that 9/11 wasn't on there. Did you check for 9/11?

That was so secret, only Bush and a few CIA operatives knew about it. ;)
 
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Senator Al Franken just concluded his statement on Betsy DeVos' nomination. I highly recommend you all seek it out and watch it.

It is long but it was excellent. Truly one of the better floor speeches I've seen in a while.
 
To be fair, regulations are expensive. To companies and therefore to the consumer. But what republicans can't or won't admit is that the cost of those regulations is pennies compared to the impact they are intended to prevent.

Environmental disasters are becoming more frequent. Environmental spills are monstrously expensive. Preventing the unstable from obtaining firearms to save tens if not hundreds of millions in litigation. Banking restrictions to prevent another Great Recession. The costs of these are orders and orders of magnitude greater than the cost of regulation.
The alt national parks put out a great quote from Guy McPherson tonight: if you really think the environment is less important than the economy, try holding your breath while counting your money
 
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So Minnesota people, the Teamsters just endorsed Rep. Keith Ellison for the DNC Chair. What do any of you know about him?
 
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Senator Al Franken just concluded his statement on Betsy DeVos' nomination. I highly recommend you all seek it out and watch it.

It is long but it was excellent. Truly one of the better floor speeches I've seen in a while.

That was terrific. Al is a good dude.
 
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I know one thing he won't propose! Using tax money in a program to help young people buy homes and construction companies build new affordable housing.

so you are giving money to people to afford to buy homes, and giving builders money so they can afford to build it???? you realize how both of these destroy the supply/demand equation you want to see come to fruition?

typically dem solution... give gov money to a problem.

let's think of something that may work.... like find buildings a city condemns and takes over via eminent domain. give grants to trade schools to rebuild for housing. then waive property taxes when individuals/young families buy them.
 
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Ellison is pretty far left...if you like Bernie and Warren you will love him. Black Muslim (first Muslim in Congress) who is pretty much on point with all Progressive parts of the platform including LGBT rights, gun reform and is pro choice. He represents my district and I vote for him without reservation.

He is exactly what the party needs and his being a Black Muslim is an epic troll job for Trump :D
 
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It is what I believe.

You think any Democrats getting elected to Congress or the White House aren't one percenters, or on their way? You think they don't like being one percenters?

Ah yes - the tried and true "limousine liberal" argument. The difference between the D 1% and R 1% is the former have no problem calling bulls**t on trickle down economics, on favoring policies that protect the environment, the working class and minorities, on ensuring education for all and not funneling funds via vouchers to those that don't need them, on bolstering civil rights, and finally no issue raising taxes at their very own income level. So while you can deflect away from what they in the end stand for on capitol hill because, "hey they're rich too" the fact is they also recognize the value of spreading it around.
 
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We can’t let Trump go down Putin’s path

For reasons still mysterious to me, U.S. President Donald Trump continues to praise and defend Russian President Vladimir Putin. Just yesterday, in an interview with Bill O’Reilly on Fox, President Trump affirmed his respect for Putin. When O’Reilly challenged Trump by calling the Russian president a “killer,” Trump defended Putin, whom he has never met, by criticizing the United States: “We’ve got a lot of killers. What do you think? Our country’s so innocent?”

A generous interpretation of this odd, unprecedented defense of Putin is that Trump is praising the Kremlin leader in order to cultivate better relations with Moscow. That is a naive, but tolerable, foreign policy. (U.S. foreign policymakers should pursue concrete national and economic interests, not “better relations,” but that discussion is for another day.) A more worrisome interpretation, however, is that Trump admires Putin’s policies and ideas, and may even seek to emulate his method of rule. That is unacceptable. Understanding Putin’s methods for consolidating autocracy in Russia might help us stop autocratic tendencies in the Trump era now, before it’s too late.

When first elected president, Putin promised to make Russia great again. To do so, he pledged to end the economic collapse, political chaos and lawlessness — the “carnage,” if you will — of the 1990s. He ran as a law-and-order candidate. In the fall of 1999, Russia experienced several terrorist attacks allegedly orchestrated by Chechens (though precisely who perpetrated these crimes remains a subject of dispute). Putin responded by promising a harsh crackdown on terrorism and restoring sovereignty over Russia’s borders. He then invaded Chechnya, and used brutal methods to end hostage standoffs with terrorists that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of civilians. In Moscow and other large Russian cities, security forces rounded up and deported Chechens and other Muslim-minority immigrants from Central Asia and the Caucasus who allegedly looked like Chechen terrorists.

Putin also moved quickly against another declared enemy of the state: the independent press. He chased Vladimir Gusinsky, the owner of Russia’s most important private television company, out of the country, and eventually seized control of his television network. Putin did the same to Boris Berezovsky, taking control of his television company as well. Further crackdowns on other pockets of independent media came later.

Putin accomplished these aims, and most of the others that followed, by means of presidential decree — the Russian equivalent of an executive order in the United States.

Today, of course, we see clearly how Putin’s first modest antidemocratic steps ultimately led to autocracy. Whenever Putin faced challenges to his power or constraints on his personal rule, he chose to increase repression, not to moderate. He arrested business leaders who dared to try funding opposition parties, including, most dramatically, the richest man in Russia at the time, Mikhail Khodorkovsky. He used the powers of the state to limit real competition in national elections. He ended the direct election of governors.

And when tens of thousands of Russians took to the streets to protests against his regime in December 2011, Putin labeled them traitors and puppets of the United States, and then used a variety of means — disinformation, blackmail, and arrests based on bogus charges — to weaken and eliminate his opponents. One of the leaders of these protests, Boris Nemtsov, was later assassinated. Some remain in jail or under house arrest, while many others now live in exile. Just last week, liberal opposition leader Vladimir Kara-Murza was apparently poisoned for the second time in two years.

To counter the urban, educated, wealthy “creative class” protesting against him, Putin also mobilized his electoral base: the rural, poor, uneducated supporters who were the primary losers of Russia’s (partial) integration into the global market economy. Putin and his administration took deliberate actions to polarize Russian society, pitting citizens from big cities such as Moscow and St. Petersburg against “real” Russians in the rural heartland.

In retrospect, Russians who lament the consolidation of Putin’s autocracy all say they reacted too slowly at the beginning. They didn’t believe things could get so bad. They didn’t believe Putin would ever go as far as he did. Back in 2000, Putin had few allies within the state, and lukewarm support in society. He won his first election because of government support and weak opponents, not because of wild enthusiasm among voters for him or his ideas. Back then, important actors in Russia’s business class remained autonomous from the state, regional leaders also acted a check on Moscow’s power, independent media still existed and parliament still enjoyed some real power. Had these forces pushed back immediately against creeping authoritarianism, Russia’s political trajectory might have been different.

Sounds familiar?

Congrats alt right - you have a new hero to genuflect over.
 
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I think the bigger issue is there is a mismatch between supply and demand. There is a large supply of the lower wage (<$50K a year) jobs and only so many people interested in them. Within the group that is interested a decent percentage of them have something holding them back from obtaining one.

One issue I don't think gets much attention but should is how little average, reasonably priced housing is available. I'm sure it varies across the country but in New England this is a big issue for millennials.

Since my post was about government regulations not being a job killer, but a high skill job creator, what does that have to do with supply and demand of lower wage jobs?

Regulations didn't create the robustness programs which clearly pointed out to engineers that machines are better at assembling products than humans are. We are taught that.

Regulations didn't create the massive amount of hate against Unions, nor did they have anything to do with the phrase "shareholder value"

Regulations didn't make natural gas significantly cheaper than coal to use.

BTW, there's a LOT if cheap housing out there. Just not where people seem to want to live. So much so that it has to be torn down in places. But which environmental regulation is forcing that?
 
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38890090

This is as savage as it gets from he BBC going after an American president's statements. (Rather, it's as savage as I've seen)

The BBC lists the unreported terror attacks provided by the White House and links to all of their coverage.

Sadly, Bowling Green was not covered. Again.

ETA: Politico offers their own take on it:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/white-house-terrorist-attacks-234718

Oddly, the list includes no attacks in Israel, despite a spate of knife attacks in 2015-16 that were meant to terrorize the population. It also doesn’t include the mass shooting of African American churchgoers by Dylann Roof, an avowed white supremacist, at a Charleston church in June 2015, or a mass shooting at a Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic in November 2015.
 
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Since my post was about government regulations not being a job killer, but a high skill job creator, what does that have to do with supply and demand of lower wage jobs?

Regulations didn't create the robustness programs which clearly pointed out to engineers that machines are better at assembling products than humans are. We are taught that.

Regulations didn't create the massive amount of hate against Unions, nor did they have anything to do with the phrase "shareholder value"

Regulations didn't make natural gas significantly cheaper than coal to use.

BTW, there's a LOT if cheap housing out there. Just not where people seem to want to live. So much so that it has to be torn down in places. But which environmental regulation is forcing that?

It was an observation about the economy overall, no need to take offense.

I don't think it is that people don't want to live where there is cheap housing, just isn't much for jobs in those areas.
 
so you are giving money to people to afford to buy homes, and giving builders money so they can afford to build it???? you realize how both of these destroy the supply/demand equation you want to see come to fruition?

typically dem solution... give gov money to a problem.

let's think of something that may work.... like find buildings a city condemns and takes over via eminent domain. give grants to trade schools to rebuild for housing. then waive property taxes when individuals/young families buy them.

I think the problem is over time developers have realized they can make a lot more money building gold plated 4000 sq ft houses instead of basic 1800 sq ft houses, which is absolutely their right. How we fix that I have no idea but it will take a long time in an area like Boston, NY, or SF.
 
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We need to use the Bruce Springsteen Deception, a talented and wealthy musician who some people think still works at a New Jersey car wash when he's not on tour.

Although, we have to put the gun control thing on the back burner. If Sandy Hook, where little kids were getting murdered, couldn't get people to wake up, nothing will.

Agreed on both counts. You should be DNC Chair. I'm not even kidding.
 
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38890090

This is as savage as it gets from he BBC going after an American president's statements. (Rather, it's as savage as I've seen)

The BBC lists the unreported terror attacks provided by the White House and links to all of their coverage.

This is amazing. The snark 3/4 of the way through is telling too "Did we cover it? You know the tune by now. Yes."
 
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It was an observation about the economy overall, no need to take offense.

I don't think it is that people don't want to live where there is cheap housing, just isn't much for jobs in those areas.

But I'm more confused about the overall hate against environmental regulations. They are in place to keep everyone safe and healthy. And while there's a cost on the consumer end, the fact that people still want the products means that the jobs creating the products are still there PLUS the extra in the high skill jobs to meet the regulations.

Or other health and safety rules, and on top of that, there's this massive complaint about the high cost of healthcare.

One MASSIVE way to reduce the overall healthcare cost is to lower the preventable reasons people get hurt or sick from outside influences. Duh.

As for the housing- so we are complaining that cheap housing is actually available, just not where you want it. Ok. I guess there's no real need to point out that places where everyone wants to live have high costs of housing because everyone wants to live there. I thought R's were well versed in econ 101- supply and demand.

But I will point out that there ARE jobs in places where there are abundant housing. See Detroit. The problem there is that the school system has been gutted so badly that high skill education is tough to get, so that you can go to college. There probably just over 1000 open jobs in just the big 3 for engineering right now. Let alone the suppliers. But people don't want to live here. Why?
 
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I'm not saying they are equivalent in any way. The Republicans will tell you what they are going to do, then do it. They are going to lower taxes, reduce regulation on business and basically give Wall Street free reign.

The Democrats will serve you a bowl of feel good, semi-vague promises, then realize that the people who keep them in power and keep the dough flowing into their pockets are the same one percenters paying off the Republicans, so maybe some of those ideas will have to wait.

The Democrats' platform is always far more detailed than the Republicans'. The Democrats bury you in their position papers and philosophy and painstakingly draw the distinction in the results between their policies and the GOP's.

The GOP just builds a bonfire, throws some movies and books on it and hints that if you elect them they might follow up with some blacks and Hispanics.
 
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