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POTUS 45.3 - Bowling Green Massacre Memorial Thread

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St. Clown said:
What you're describing is an interstate issue, which would necessitate action by the federal government. There are roles taken on by the federal government that many people think should be handled by the states - intrastate trade, for instance.

Also, with regards to pollution, there are economists who think that such actions can be handled by the two states or the corporation acting within Wyoming and the State of Idaho. The problem with that thought process is you start looking at a great deal of one-off redundancy in legal agreements, which is where a law would prove more efficient.
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In theory, you can have different agencies who have to deal with each other- but I don't see that as all that realistic. You'd be forced to have massive number of "state" treaties to make sure the states all agree. The scale of that would be incredible relative to a single EPA.

Saying that Wyoming has an agreement with Idaho is one thing, but the'd also need one with the entire west- since it's straddles the Snake River basis as well as the start of the Missouri basin. So just that one state would be force to have agreements with close to half the country's individual groups. That seems hardly manageable.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
There's a third factor: the 90+ million American who've given up looking for work, left the workforce, and aren't included in the reported "top line" unemployment number.
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No, there's not. That number is complete bull5h1t as has been stated here many times but apparently you still fail to comprehend that teenagers and retirees aren't part of the workforce. Not to mention college students who may not work, stay at home parents, or any other number of reasons people may not be in the workforce.
 
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I call bullsh** to both Sic and Jer.

The number is in between your two stances.

There are employable people (not of retirement or teen aged) who have exceeded the cap for unemployment and have not found work.
 
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aparch said:
I call bullsh** to both Sic and Jer.

The number is in between your two stances.

There are employable people (not of retirement or teen aged) who have exceeded the cap for unemployment and have not found work.
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Some of them have found work, but they're under the table, getting more per hour from the boss in exchange for eschewing all the legal protections and rights that most employees receive.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
There's a third factor: the 90+ million American who've given up looking for work, left the workforce, and aren't included in the reported "top line" unemployment number.
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I'm not so sure about that- it gets constantly talked about, but it seems to be more speculation of why the numbers don't want to add up.

But it also could contribute to the idea that families just don't want to consume as much, so the need for two incomes is reduced.
 
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St. Clown said:
Some of them have found work, but they're under the table, getting more per hour from the boss in exchange for eschewing all the legal protections and rights that most employees receive.
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Uh, given that they are "under the table" that's 100% speculation.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
There's a third factor: the 90+ million American who've given up looking for work, left the workforce, and aren't included in the reported "top line" unemployment number.
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As worker rights constantly erode to the point where temp agencies that give zero benefits are some of the biggest employers... what do you expect? A burgeoning middle class like we had during the mid 1900's? Not to mention Walmart.

edit: not even getting into the part where that number is alternative facts
 
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aparch said:
I call bullsh** to both Sic and Jer.

The number is in between your two stances.

There are employable people (not of retirement or teen aged) who have exceeded the cap for unemployment and have not found work.
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I didn't give a number, not sure how you can call BS on my number :) My stance is that the 95M # that gets thrown out is all age 16+ Americans not in the workforce, which includes teens, retirees and others that really are not in the workforce. There is absolutely nothing BS in that, I would love to hear what of that is BS to you.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
There's a third factor: the 90+ million American who've given up looking for work, left the workforce, and aren't included in the reported "top line" unemployment number.
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Good lord...you cant even fake being down the middle when you post obtuse "facts" like that.

Here is Why Your Post is BS

However, the 90 million number is padded, since this number includes a lot of Americans who wouldn’t be expected to be working. Specifically:

• People age 16 to 17, who likely are in high school: 9 million

• People who are enrolled in either two- or four-year colleges: 21 million

• People age 65 and older, who have reached retirement age: 40 million people

That means 20 million people are of normal working age, not in college and not working. That’s less than one-quarter the amount repeatedly cited in the blogosphere.
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But hey...technically you are right. 90 million people arent working...hell if you count children you can make the number even bigger! You do a very nice Sean Spicer impression though ;)
 
jerphisch said:
I didn't give a number, not sure how you can call BS on my number :) My stance is that the 95M # that gets thrown out is all age 16+ Americans not in the workforce, which includes teens, retirees and others that really are not in the workforce. There is absolutely nothing BS in that, I would love to hear what of that is BS to you.
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I (incorrectly?) assumed you were much closer to zero than the numbers Handy posted.


That and I just wanted to tell horsesh** in reply to someone else's call of horsesh**. :D
 
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alfablue said:
Uh, given that they are "under the table" that's 100% speculation.
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Are you really saying that people working without officially being on the payroll is a myth? I personally know a number of people who've done it over the years. I helped out a friend in his fledgling law care/snow removal business back in my early 20s by doing just that. It's often considered to be part of what's called "the grey economy," people who aren't acting in a criminal fashion (theft, violence, etc.), but aren't following along to the letter of the law.

In fact, I used to know a guy in high school whose employer was caught with a staff of 'undocumented' summer employees. All of them were Americans, but they weren't on the books as employees. How was it resolved? Each of his employees were issued 1099 forms and relabeled as "contractors." My schoolmate had a bad time filing his taxes that year.

It's impossible to quantify how many people are doing this, only that we know it happens.
 
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aparch said:
I (incorrectly?) assumed you were much closer to zero than the numbers Handy posted.


That and I just wanted to tell horsesh** in reply to someone else's call of horsesh**. :D
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Well in that case, I call horsesh** on your calling horsesh** on my calling horsesh**. Take that! ;)
 
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St. Clown said:
Are you really saying that people working without officially being on the payroll is a myth? I personally know a number of people who've done it over the years. I helped out a friend in his fledgling law care/snow removal business back in my early 20s by doing just that. It's often considered to be part of what's called "the grey economy," people who aren't acting in a criminal fashion (theft, violence, etc.), but aren't following along to the letter of the law.

In fact, I used to know a guy in high school whose employer was caught with a staff of 'undocumented' summer employees. All of them were Americans, but they weren't on the books as employees. How was it resolved? Each of his employees were issued 1099 forms and relabeled as "contractors." My schoolmate had a bad time filing his taxes that year.

It's impossible to quantify how many people are doing this, only that we know it happens.
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I know they exist. But making up numbers that reflect that population is pure speculation.

This same group of "under the table" work don't have green cards and pick your fresh veggies, too- and I'm pretty sure THAT group won't be included on any made up employment number.

I also know that it's far worse in some areas of the country- where doctors take payments in cash. My MIL missed out on a reasonable SS check because her doctor boss paid her in cash, and never reported her income. She did, and payed taxes. So it happens all over the place.
 
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