POTUS 45.3 - Bowling Green Massacre Memorial Thread

[ScoobyDoo]

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But Trump has indeed cornered the market on crazy.

Like has been said here many times, I don't know what rank and file GOP were expecting. Trump doesn't have the experience or temperament for governing and that was abundantly clear during the election.

All indications are this will be a second W term. Thankfully the US appears very resilient and adaptable, and so the damage may not be long lasting.

AYFKM?

We still haven't recovered from "W". Not even close.

 

[5mn_Major]

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AYFKM?

We still haven't recovered from "W". Not even close.

I'll full stop grant you Iraq and the resulting world geopolitical situation. Its hard to say on the economy. We're in two speed mode with the uppers cruising and the lower half is struggling. But not sure that that can be attributed to W. The massive carnage from the great recession is pretty much wiped out by the last 5+ years. But the geopolitical situation is so stark, you're point is valid. Now I'm starting to worry. ;P

 

[Handyman]

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Here it is, it's started. The, "This isn't what I voted for whining has commenced." Grab some popcorn and a seat. It's only going to get more entertaining from here.

I like the story a week or so ago about the Syrian mom who voted for Trump and he daughter is now not allowed back in the country because of the Ban/Not Ban. (I think it was the daughter) Gee lady no offense but you can kiss my ***.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I'll full stop grant you Iraq and the resulting world geopolitical situation. Its hard to say on the economy. We're in two speed mode with the uppers cruising and the lower half is struggling. But not sure that that can be attributed to W. The massive carnage from the great recession is pretty much wiped out by the last 5+ years. But the geopolitical situation is so stark, you're point is valid. Now I'm starting to worry. ;P

The massive carnage is not wiped out. Some people will never recover from the great recession and their heirs will suffer because of the recession. We are not as elastic as you think and W's damage is very very very YUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE! As Trump would say.

 

[St. Clown]

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www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-criticize-faa-234849



JFC. If there is one agency I want to stay nationally run, it's the FAA. Could you imagine air traffic not being controlled by the feds, where states or airlines make up their own rules about how air traffic is controlled?



Yes, because the guy running the fry station at McDonald's should run the company.



MNS, any thoughts on this?

Operating from a position of ignorance here, how would the daily operation of flights change should we take the FAA out of the mix and the various airports or states take over control of their flight control systems? As a flight crosses the country, one FAA operator has to hand off the tracking of a plane to the next operator in the flight path. Would that change? We have thousands of similar handoffs currently between US flight controllers and foreign flight controllers happening daily without incident.

The greatest difference could be in aircraft safety standards, but aircraft and safety engineers are more likely the people who set the current FAA standards than any politician, and states outside of Alabama and Mississippi would be sure to follow the same recommendations.

The biggest change we should expect would be a loss in economies of scale for distribution of resources, but even that could be questionable when I think about my dealings with the Federal Reserve Bank's technology teams. Just last year they finally implemented a messaging systems upgrade for a system that was over 30 years old by that point. Why should we think the FAA is any different than the FRB?

That said, I wouldn't want to rush into anything like that. An idea like that must be put through the paces, verified to see if it's something that the experts think could be done without risking the safety of the American people. And foreign visitors, I suppose.

 

[alfablue]

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I'll full stop grant you Iraq and the resulting world geopolitical situation. Its hard to say on the economy. We're in two speed mode with the uppers cruising and the lower half is struggling. But not sure that that can be attributed to W. The massive carnage from the great recession is pretty much wiped out by the last 5+ years. But the geopolitical situation is so stark, you're point is valid. Now I'm starting to worry. ;P

It's a question that I would like to see a good economic researcher look into- how much are people NOT spending because they are uncomfortable, and that lack of spending is the core reason why the economy is so slow to recover for all?

Lets be honest- the only reason jobs are made is because people consume stuff. If consumption does not go up, neither will jobs. It's quite possible that the mental state after the recession corrected everyone's consumption to do that with as little borrowing as possible- so that would mean that the light growth we see IS what it should have been all along.

 

[alfablue]

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Operating from a position of ignorance here, how would the daily operation of flights change should we take the FAA out of the mix and the various airports or states take over control of their flight control systems? As a flight crosses the country, one FAA operator has to hand off the tracking of a plane to the next operator in the flight path. Would that change? We have thousands of similar handoffs currently between US flight controllers and foreign flight controllers happening daily without incident.

The greatest difference could be in aircraft safety standards, but aircraft and safety engineers are more likely the people who set the current FAA standards than any politician, and states outside of Alabama and Mississippi would be sure to follow the same recommendations.

The biggest change we should expect would be a loss in economies of scale for distribution of resources, but even that could be questionable when I think about my dealings with the Federal Reserve Bank's technology teams. Just last year they finally implemented a messaging systems upgrade for a system that was over 30 years old by that point. Why should we think the FAA is any different than the FRB?

That said, I wouldn't want to rush into anything like that. An idea like that must be put through the paces, verified to see if it's something that the experts think could be done without risking the safety of the American people. And foreign visitors, I suppose.

I thought R's like small government. Having 50 FAA's would add MASSIVELY to overall government size. 50 state FAA's would be far larger than one Federal one.

More realistically, FAA and EPA are more intrastate commerce, as the market is the entire country. The ONLY reason CARB exists is that they were first, and the continuing requirements were greater. For the businesses that are already international, it only makes sense that the governing body here is one for the entire country.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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It's quite possible that the mental state after the recession corrected everyone's consumption to do that with as little borrowing as possible- so that would mean that the light growth we see IS what it should have been all along.

You mean all that consumer spending was ... a bubble.

< Capt Renault line here >

 

[St. Clown]

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I thought R's like small government. Having 50 FAA's would add MASSIVELY to overall government size. 50 state FAA's would be far larger than one Federal one.

More realistically, FAA and EPA are more intrastate commerce, as the market is the entire country. The ONLY reason CARB exists is that they were first, and the continuing requirements were greater. For the businesses that are already international, it only makes sense that the governing body here is one for the entire country.

They generally are, starting with reducing the federal government and then let each state decide what it does and what it won't do.

Really, I'm not in favor of the FAA disbanding. What I think it interesting would be the exercise of seeing what it would take to replace the FAA in a manner befitting Trump's bloviating. The numbers would likely come back to show it being a net resource drain, increasing costs at both the airline level and fees charged by the airports directly to fliers.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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I thought R's like small government. Having 50 FAA's would add MASSIVELY to overall government size. 50 state FAA's would be far larger than one Federal one.

More realistically, FAA and EPA are more intrastate commerce, as the market is the entire country. The ONLY reason CARB exists is that they were first, and the continuing requirements were greater. For the businesses that are already international, it only makes sense that the governing body here is one for the entire country.

They wouldn't do 50 states. My guess is they'd privatize it.

Your point about the FAA being "interstate commerce" is a very good one.

 

[burd]

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I'll full stop grant you Iraq and the resulting world geopolitical situation. Its hard to say on the economy. We're in two speed mode with the uppers cruising and the lower half is struggling. But not sure that that can be attributed to W. The massive carnage from the great recession is pretty much wiped out by the last 5+ years. But the geopolitical situation is so stark, you're point is valid. Now I'm starting to worry. ;P

I think even some dems fail to appreciate what a free fall he left the country in, both economically and geopolitically. As you say, the economy is not all on him, but that invasion . . .

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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AYFKM?

We still haven't recovered from "W". Not even close.

Didn't Pelosi claim we were in a Bush administration again?

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Didn't Pelosi claim we were in a Bush administration again?

And soon after Rep. Waters said Big Bad Vlad Putin* invaded "Korea" (Crimea). That was a beautiful press conference.
http://nypost.com/2017/02/07/nancy-pelosi-still-thinks-shes-fighting-against-president-bush/

What's a guy got to do to get a Twitter war going between Nancy, Maxine, and @POTUS?


*He really should've been a WWE heel.

 

[alfablue]

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You mean all that consumer spending was ... a bubble.

< Capt Renault line here >

Well, yea. And that's where our economy's reliance on Wall Street makes it so tenuous. For many years, we were basically fed the idea that land is so very safe that we can always make money on real estate. So much so that there were a ton of very bad loans out there- where the real goal was to speculate on profit, not having a place to live. Once that started to crash- real home owners who used the same mechanism to buy the home (LOW MONTHLY PAYMENTS as an attraction) got into trouble in droves. The banks tried to hide that, and eventually the system blew up. And banks, being so integral in the stock market and much of the consumer market- basically F uped the entire system, stopping people who had good credit from buying stuff.

At the same time, we were all told that it's ok to get stuff with a credit card and pay it back later. Once jobs were cut due to a sharp drop in consumption, well, there is where we went.

So I'm speculating that much of the low growth path is a combination of far fewer people buying stuff on credit and many people not consuming so much stuff. It's amazing how little it really takes to make you happy- and many found that out.

 

[alfablue]

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They generally are, starting with reducing the federal government and then let each state decide what it does and what it won't do.

Thing is, for a government to be capable of running, many parts of society needs to be run by a government. And states can do things that hurt neighboring states- so Wyoming can't dump waste into the Snake River and expect Idaho to just take it. That's why we have a federal government- to make sure that we don't obliterate each other's rights.

 

[Handyman]

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So looks like Kellyanne Leary...err...Conway is in hot water again for telling people to buy Ivanka's products. She needs to stop talking...

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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And soon after Rep. Waters said Big Bad Vlad Putin* invaded "Korea" (Crimea). That was a beautiful press conference.
http://nypost.com/2017/02/07/nancy-pelosi-still-thinks-shes-fighting-against-president-bush/

What's a guy got to do to get a Twitter war going between Nancy, Maxine, and @POTUS?


*He really should've been a WWE heel.

Remember Waters' reaction when Pelosi mentioned Bush? Priceless. And I don't mean the former poster, either.

 

[MaizeRage]

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Here it is, it's started. The, "This isn't what I voted for whining has commenced." Grab some popcorn and a seat. It's only going to get more entertaining from here.

Look at the bumble**** dunces around here that are now whining about the tone in this thread when they're the same ones delighting in the electoral success of a guy that mocked another person for his physical disability.

Of course, they were too smart to actually vote for Trump, because they're such deep thinkers. They just couldn't support Hillary Clinton for someone reason they never fully articulate, but has absolutely nothing to do with the steady stream of baseless, negative accusations thrown at her.

 

[St. Clown]

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Thing is, for a government to be capable of running, many parts of society needs to be run by a government. And states can do things that hurt neighboring states- so Wyoming can't dump waste into the Snake River and expect Idaho to just take it. That's why we have a federal government- to make sure that we don't obliterate each other's rights.

What you're describing is an interstate issue, which would necessitate action by the federal government. There are roles taken on by the federal government that many people think should be handled by the states - intrastate trade, for instance.

Also, with regards to pollution, there are economists who think that such actions can be handled by the two states or the corporation acting within Wyoming and the State of Idaho. The problem with that thought process is you start looking at a great deal of one-off redundancy in legal agreements, which is where a law would prove more efficient.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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So I'm speculating that much of the low growth path is a combination of far fewer people buying stuff on credit and many people not consuming so much stuff.

There's a third factor: the 90+ million American who've given up looking for work, left the workforce, and aren't included in the reported "top line" unemployment number.