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POTUS 45.20 - Doddering Dotards Dodging Detente

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Tiggsy said:
So you expect a parent to subject their kid to something they think is unreasonable? They are still getting all the shots, so what's the problem doing it a little differently?
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Based on the best evidence available, the problem with doing them differently is it increases the risk for side effects from the vaccine, it increases the risk of getting preventable diseases, it increases the risk of getting encephalitis of any cause, and it increases the risk of serious morbidity and mortality. We do not have the vaccine schedule on a whim or a guess. If your "different" or the MDs that oppose the current vaccine schedule is better, show us. Do the hard work, do the research, back your points with solid evidence in peer reviewed journals and I will be first in line, pounding on the door to get the vaccine schedule changed. There are thousands of researchers work put into this, thousands of healthcare workers who have studied and thought long and hard about this.

Tiggsy said:
Okay, but in my anecdotal experience none of the diseases that were included in the vaccine schedule were ever contracted by any kid I have seen or heard about. If that's true the difference appears to be negligible.
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I have seen children die of vaccine preventable disease. I have seen people have lifelong injury to vaccine preventable diseases. I have taken care of children suffering from subacute sclerosing panencephalitis and had to tell the parents they will slowly watch their child die from a measles related illness and there is nothing we know to stop it. About 1 in 20 children who get measles get pneumonia. About 1 in 1000 get encephalitis with about the same number dying. These illness are most severe in the very young so delaying the vaccines is no trivial matter.

You may think you are involved, and I think your heart is probably in the right place, but your reasoning is flawed and it can have deadly consequences.
 
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Brenthoven said:
She would just shake her finger at them at say, "Bad North Korea" and toss more sanctions. Not saying that's a bad thing, just saying that there is no way she'd threaten with military action.
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And that's all Trumpy's done too, that and some snarky name-calling, but somehow, you think he's all tough and manly.
 
GrinCDXX said:
If he were actually stopped (as opposed to having been convinced not to do it), that would mean that the nuclear launch procedures had failed. They are designed with two purposes in mind: that only the president can initiate a nuclear launch, and that a nuclear launch is initiated when the president so orders.
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Don't orders have to follow the two-man rule? Somebody has to validate the order.
 
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WisconsinWildcard said:
Based on the best evidence available, the problem with doing them differently is it increases the risk for side effects from the vaccine, it increases the risk of getting preventable diseases, it increases the risk of getting encephalitis of any cause, and it increases the risk of serious morbidity and mortality. We do not have the vaccine schedule on a whim or a guess. If your "different" or the MDs that oppose the current vaccine schedule is better, show us. Do the hard work, do the research, back your points with solid evidence in peer reviewed journals and I will be first in line, pounding on the door to get the vaccine schedule changed. There are thousands of researchers work put into this, thousands of healthcare workers who have studied and thought long and hard about this.



I have seen children die of vaccine preventable disease. I have seen people have lifelong injury to vaccine preventable diseases. I have taken care of children suffering from subacute sclerosing panencephalitis and had to tell the parents they will slowly watch their child die from a measles related illness and there is nothing we know to stop it. About 1 in 20 children who get measles get pneumonia. About 1 in 1000 get encephalitis with about the same number dying. These illness are most severe in the very young so delaying the vaccines is no trivial matter.

You may think you are involved, and I think your heart is probably in the right place, but your reasoning is flawed and it can have deadly consequences.
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This is a really great post. Much more articulate than mine. I would add that the consequences affect more than just the child involved. The parents, the extended family, the community exposed to the sick child and the healthcare system all pay for the longterm consequences.
 
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rufus said:
And that's all Trumpy's done too, that and some snarky name-calling, but somehow, you think he's all tough and manly.
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I don't think that, so you can stop that line of thinking.
 
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WisconsinWildcard said:
You may think you are involved, and I think your heart is probably in the right place, but your reasoning is flawed and it can have deadly consequences.
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You missed one of my main points about the effectiveness of the shots on a slower schedule.

My reasoning is to protect my children to the best of my ability. No way that is flawed.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Don't orders have to follow the two-man rule? Somebody has to validate the order.
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If it comes directly from tDon, I suspect that's not the case. However, I hope that "The Generals" have a tacit agreement that if he orders a preemptive nuke, he's getting Article 25'd on the double.
 
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Tiggsy said:
You missed one of my main points about the effectiveness of the shots on a slower schedule.

My reasoning is to protect my children to the best of my ability. No way that is flawed.
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I completely get your wanting to protect your child but as Wisco said it is clear from all the evidence collected you are actually increasing risk to your child at the same time choosing a path resulting in a less vigorous immune response so the benefit is less. This whole exchange is like an audio-visual aid for the research showing no amount of science can displace parents views once they have fixed on them. I do not miss having to have this discussion with parents one little bit.
 
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leswp1 said:
I completely get your wanting to protect your child but as Wisco said it is clear from all the evidence collected you are actually increasing risk to your child at the same time choosing a path resulting in a less vigorous immune response so the benefit is less. This whole exchange is like an audio-visual aid for the research showing no amount of science can displace parents views once they have fixed on them. I do not miss having to have this discussion with parents one little bit.
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Very well. I can see this is going nowhere. I will end this discussion to save you the issue of lecturing me further and to stop you from calling protective services to try and take my kids away for my negligence.
 
Tiggsy said:
You missed one of my main points about the effectiveness of the shots on a slower schedule.

My reasoning is to protect my children to the best of my ability. No way that is flawed.
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If you want to protect your children to the best of your ability then trust the science on this, not your gut.
 
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Tiggsy said:
You missed one of my main points about the effectiveness of the shots on a slower schedule.

My reasoning is to protect my children to the best of my ability. No way that is flawed.
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It doesn't look like your chosen method does what you're seeking and no one is lecturing you.
 
Slap Shot said:
It doesn't look like your chosen method does what you're seeking and no one is lecturing you.
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Sure it does. No one I know has contracted any of these diseases and they are all protected. Mission accomplished.

Do people think I came up with this on my own? I worked this out with multiple doctors and experts. Seems to be working just fine
 
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Tiggsy said:
My reasoning is to protect my children to the best of my ability.
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If you want to protect your children then either go to med school or listen to doctors. Woo is funny in other situations (aliens, religion, astrology, polygraphy, my person favorite dowsing) but in medicine it could kill your children.
 
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Kepler said:
If you want to protect your children then either go to med school or listen to doctors. Woo is funny in other situations (aliens, religion, astrology, polygraphy, my person favorite dowsing) but in medicine it could kill your children.
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Wow. Okay then. Apparently I’m either on an unprecedented lucky streak or may just have a clue. My kids are healthy, never contracted a disease in question, and are up to date on all their shots. Add that to me never being involved in killing a child. Sorry to apparently disappoint you
 
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