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POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

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Handyman said:
Have you ever taken a course on law specifically Constitutional Law? Slurs are protected speech. And they should be if you start policing speech in that regard we all know what comes next. If they act in any way that is a problem but otherwise...

Put it this way...if I say you are a ****** is that harassment? I used a slur AND I disparaged you. If so why? If not why? What if my friend who is Black calls me his "N word"? Who is qualified to decide what is and what is not a slur?
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I know people like to use the slippery slope thing here and I understand why and don't necessarily disagree with that argument. That said there are limits to free speech and saying things to incite violence, specifically during protests or gatherings with large numbers of people, I don't necessarily think should be protected. I'm not saying those words should be banned entirely obviously but I don't see it as being any better than shouting fire in a crowded theater either.

Now specifically as it pertains to Charlottesville, when people are carrying around rifles and doing all of the above that adds an ever greater element of danger and like I said stifles the free speech of others as well and I believe is in questionable legal territory. I know if you are conceal/carrying you're not allowed to provoke a situation and then later resort to using your gun (in most states, not FL).
 
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TRUMP IS UNSTABLE, PREJUDICED, DISHONEST AND SELFISH, AMERICANS SAY ABOUT PRESIDENT IN ****ING NEW POLL

Tell us how you really feel.

Americans do not hold President Donald Trump in high regard, with most suggesting he is dishonest, unstable, prejudiced and selfish, according to a survey released Tuesday by the Pew Research Center. And the criticisms of the country’s 45th president do not end there, with a strong majority of Americans similarly indicating that they largely disagree with both Trump’s policies and his conduct since entering the White House.

A massive 66 percent said they agree with Trump on none, almost none or just a few of the issues facing the country today. Only 15 percent said they agreed with Trump on all or nearly all of the issues. Even among Republicans, the figure was just 31 percent.
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Republican support was also less than emphatic on Trump’s conduct in office. Thirty-four percent of Republicans said they liked the way Trump conducts himself as president, with 46 percent indicating that they have mixed feelings. Overall, just 16 percent of the 1,893 adults surveyed between August 15 and August 21 said that they liked Trump’s conduct in office.

For both those who approve and disapprove of Trump, his personality was viewed as a bigger factor than his policies. Of Trump approvers, 54 percent said they liked his approach or personality most, while only 14 percent said his policies or values were the decisive factors. The separate survey of 4,791 adults between August 8 and August 21 also found that 32 percent of Trump disapprovers were most concerned by Trump’s policies and/or conduct, compared with 25 percent who named his policies as what concerned them most.
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Digging deeper into Trump’s personality, the findings are far from positive for the president. Sixty-five percent said that the word selfish described Trump either fairly well or very well, with 55 percent saying the same for the word prejudiced. The findings came during Trump’s reaction to violence at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, when he blamed “both sides” for the unrest that led to the death of a counterprotestor.

The negative views do not end there. A huge 72 percent responded that they thought the term even-tempered described Trump either not at all well or not too well. Even for Republicans, the percentage who said the term described him very well or fairly well was less than half, at 45 percent. Since coming into office, Trump has repeatedly lashed out at individuals, from television pundits to members of his own Republican party, for even the perception of criticism.

With cataloging the numerous untruths the president has uttered becoming a near full-time job, 62 percent said that honest was not an apt word to describe Trump. A plurality, 49 percent compared with 48 percent, responded similarly about the word decisive.
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Kepler said:
Funny, but also a good point. Where's the line of incitement? So people here post obvious bait, and people in a crowd shouting at each other do the same. What constitutes a credible threat -- something between the pimply faced kid safe behind the anonymity of a forum mewling about BLM being "thugs" and the paramilitary psycho in Charlottesville advocating a return to slavery because "those people can't manage their own affairs"?
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I'm not sure where the line is. I'm not sure where it should be. I just know that I personally think the line should be as close to "you can pretty much say anything you want" as it can possibly be.
 
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SJHovey said:
I'm not sure where the line is. I'm not sure where it should be. I just know that I personally think the line should be as close to "you can pretty much say anything you want" as it can possibly be.
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Me too, but I also don't belong to any immediately recognizable group that has suffered from majority f-ckwits heckling them day in and day out, with a history of hardcore discrimination behind it. I'm sure that colors my view.
 
SJHovey said:
I'm not sure where the line is. I'm not sure where it should be. I just know that I personally think the line should be as close to "you can pretty much say anything you want" as it can possibly be.
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you'll be happy to know the courts agree with you.
 
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Kepler said:
Me too, but I also don't belong to any immediately recognizable group that has suffered from majority f-ckwits heckling them day in and day out, with a history of hardcore discrimination behind it. I'm sure that colors my view.
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I'm in a similar position.

But for me, a person's words, and even their actions and the people they hang out with are, in poker parlance, extremely good "tells" as to what you are dealing with when you confront these people. I don't consider myself exceptionally perceptive. If people want to provide me with self-identifiers, I appreciate it.
 
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SJHovey said:
I'm in a similar position.

But for me, a person's words, and even their actions and the people they hang out with are, in poker parlance, extremely good "tells" as to what you are dealing with when you confront these people. I don't consider myself exceptionally perceptive. If people want to provide me with self-identifiers, I appreciate it.
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I like the idiots to self-ID as well. :p
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Doesn't Charlie Hebdo do that with a lot of events? I remember they did the Italian earthquake victims as different pasta dishes.
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IINM Hebdo has a history of being deliberately provocative to emphasize that they support full freedom of expression, even if the expression is awful. This is particularly galling to authorities in Europe where there is less of an emphasis on the individual right of expression in some ways -- for example, that you can actually be found guilty of a criminal offense for throwing a banana at an African soccer player. Europeans are a lot more worried about far right hate groups because no sh-t.

WW2 Deaths, upper end estimate, in millions:

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27.0 USSR
 7.0 Germany
 6.0 Poland
 1.7 Yugoslavia
 0.8 Greece
 0.6 France
 0.6 Hungary
 0.5 Italy
 0.5 Romania
 0.5 UK
 0.4 USA
 
Kepler said:
IINM Hebdo has a history of being deliberately provocative to emphasize that they support full freedom of expression, even if the expression is awful. This is particularly galling to authorities in Europe where there is less of an emphasis on the individual right of expression in some ways -- for example, that you can actually be found guilty of a criminal offense for throwing a banana at an African soccer player. Europeans are a lot more worried about far right hate groups because no sh-t.

WW2 Deaths, upper end estimate, in millions:

Code: 
27.0 USSR
 7.0 Germany
 6.0 Poland
 1.7 Yugoslavia
 0.8 Greece
 0.6 France
 0.6 Hungary
 0.5 Italy
 0.5 Romania
 0.5 UK
 0.4 USA
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Combat deaths? Cause if you count civilians I know Russia and Germany's counts should go way up.
 
Slap Shot said:
TRUMP IS UNSTABLE, PREJUDICED, DISHONEST AND SELFISH, AMERICANS SAY ABOUT PRESIDENT IN ****ING NEW POLL

Tell us how you really feel.
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Trump has a worse chance of going 4 years than Justin Upton has of winning a World Series as a Tiger. His approval is still on a downward slide (after blowing through every record), his cabinet is in open defiance, he's made enemies of everyone in Washington, he's impatient, thin-skinned, old, and probably sick. And he has ZERO respect for traditions of the office. He's going to quit. Depending who he blames for his ultimate failure ("the media" is probably too nebulous to matter) we could see a spasm of terrorist acts when he does.
 
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joecct said:
Combat deaths? Cause if you count civilians I know Russia and Germany's counts should go way up.
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That's everybody, according to the chart and source(s).
 
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customs and immigration in dubai is a piece of cake. u s can learn a lot from these fellas! sat behind obl's brother on the plane tonight. bunch of folks connecting for flights continuing to ksa to celebrate hajj this weekend. dude had uggs on. no doubt a gla fan :D
 
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geezer said:
Trump has a worse chance of going 4 years than Justin Upton has of winning a World Series as a Tiger. His approval is still on a downward slide (after blowing through every record), his cabinet is in open defiance, he's made enemies of everyone in Washington, he's impatient, thin-skinned, old, and probably sick. And he has ZERO respect for traditions of the office. He's going to quit. Depending who he blames for his ultimate failure ("the media" is probably too nebulous to matter) we could see a spasm of terrorist acts when he does.
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quit?!?!!?!

quit?!?!!?

are you nuts :D
 
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Kepler said:
Play the ball, not the man.
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Huh... that's odd. Usually when I'm correcting children, I'm telling them play the man not the puck. Go figure.

Kepler said:
IINM Hebdo has a history of being deliberately provocative to emphasize that they support full freedom of expression, even if the expression is awful. This is particularly galling to authorities in Europe where there is less of an emphasis on the individual right of expression in some ways -- for example, that you can actually be found guilty of a criminal offense for throwing a banana at an African soccer player. Europeans are a lot more worried about far right hate groups because no sh-t.
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Valid, but the biggest thing is still simply that Euros give more consideration to the rights of the group over those of the individual. Americans, having originally come here seeking individual religious freedoms, have done the opposite ever since. So I'd suggest at least the general difference predates WWII by quite a bit. Things like free speech, freedom of religion, etc. are codified individual rights here that don't really exist in European law.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
Things like free speech, freedom of religion, etc. are codified individual rights here that don't really exist in European law.
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The wellspring of liberties and rights of the individual comes out of Western European liberalism (the continental kind) in the 17th and 18th centuries. The US was a political incarnation of European ideals that had been around for 150 years before 1776, both in the colonies but also in the European intellectual community. The American experiment was putting European theories (Burke, Montesqui) into practice and enshrining them in governmental institutions. Institutions now under attack by neo-feudalists who are trying to destroy democratic representation.

Even the experiment had already been successfully achieved in Europe (in the Netherlands) 100 years before the American Revolution. The idea that American individual freedom is in any way exceptional is pure myth.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
Huh... that's odd. Usually when I'm correcting children, I'm telling them play the man not the puck. Go figure.
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When I'm correcting children, it's usually on the proper way to spell Gandhi, and that they are in fact, racist gaping *******s.
 
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