POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.

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Oh please, the globalists are very much still winning.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Let me guess Drew thinks our education is failing us because of standardized test scores vs. other countries?

 

[dxmnkd316]

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My problem with charters is that they are capitalistic. Public schools should not be undercut by capitalism like a charter would. It shouldn't be a race to the cheapest and thus, worst education. It should be whatever it takes to properly educate our children. If there are ways to make things run more efficiently, I'm all ears. When you introduce capitalistic competition to fundamental education, cost is going to be the only thing that matters. Shareholders will take precedence over proper education.

That's so gross that I can't even fathom why someone would think it's a good idea.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Galactic wasted of money.

Ding, ****ing, ding. I was going to use that exact word. Such a waste. Unless it's sponsored, I'm not a huge fan but I'll still cheer and be in awe when they do a flyover.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.

My problem with charters is that they are capitalistic. Public schools should not be undercut by capitalism like a charter would. It shouldn't be a race to the cheapest and thus, worst education. It should be whatever it takes to properly educate our children. If there are ways to make things run more efficiently, I'm all ears. When you introduce capitalistic competition to fundamental education, cost is going to be the only thing that matters. Shareholders will take precedence over proper education.

That's so gross that I can't even fathom why someone would think it's a good idea.

Great letter in Today's Star Tribune related to that very thing. It's a concept that appears to escape the Republican Party altogether. There is a serious problem right now in our culture with what privatization used to mean and what it means today I think.

MOVIE STARS AND CEOS

Here’s the difference, in terms of leveling criticism

A Jan. 16 letter writer asked: “Why do liberals constantly berate CEOs but not movie stars or athletes?”

Let’s recognize that movie stars generally vote for Democrats, while CEOs generally favor Republicans. So there’s that.

While I don’t have much experience with movie stars, I have been CEO for a number of small Minnesota corporations.

Meryl Streep is an independent contractor; when she signs a contract for her acting services, she has no control over the compensation given to the camera operator or any other workers engaged in making a movie.

A CEO, on the other hand, becomes an employee of the corporation. His/her responsibility is to generate profit by increasing sales and/or decreasing expenses. Corporations (sadly) view payroll as an expense, not an investment. A CEO who can keep payroll expenses down can generate additional profit and drive up the value of the corporate stock. This happy circumstance, in turn, will often result in huge compensation arrangements for CEOs. In a perverse way, then, a CEO is rewarded for underpayment of employees.

The reason that liberals berate CEOs for underpaying their employees is that it hurts the employees, raises taxes (because the government must step in with food stamps and other services) and destroys local business (when big corporations are able to dominate the market with their size).

Streep may or may not be a great actress, but she does not receive additional compensation if she can find a camera operator who will work for less money.

John Deitering, Buffalo, Minn.

http://www.startribune.com/readers-...vie-stars-and-ceos-leonard-peltier/411002945/

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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My problem with charters is that they are capitalistic. Public schools should not be undercut by capitalism like a charter would. It shouldn't be a race to the cheapest and thus, worst education. It should be whatever it takes to properly educate our children. If there are ways to make things run more efficiently, I'm all ears. When you introduce capitalistic competition to fundamental education, cost is going to be the only thing that matters. Shareholders will take precedence over proper education.

That's so gross that I can't even fathom why someone would think it's a good idea.

If it's a terrible education, why would people buy the product?

 

[Drew S.]

Let me guess Drew thinks our education is failing us because of standardized test scores vs. other countries?

No, I think we spend too much money on it for the results we get. The best indicator is how the millennial generation is doing. There are some that are obviously wildly successful, and I personally can't complain, but I get the impression overall our generation lags behind the ones preceding us.

 

[Kepler]

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If it's a terrible education, why would people buy the product?

Why did people go to Trump University?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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If it's a terrible education, why would people buy the product?

People get conned all the time. Seen numerous reports on it. Do some research. Find John Oliver's Last Week Tonight on Charter Schools.

 

[burd]

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No, I think we spend too much money on it for the results we get. The best indicator is how the millennial generation is doing. There are some that are obviously wildly successful, and I personally can't complain, but I get the impression overall our generation lags behind the ones preceding us.

What kind of metrics are you using to measure how the generations are "doing?"

 

[Kepler]

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No, I think we spend too much money on it for the results we get. The best indicator is how the millennial generation is doing. There are some that are obviously wildly successful, and I personally can't complain, but I get the impression overall our generation lags behind the ones preceding us.

That's not education, though, it's the domestic economy having been warped by 36 years of Reaganomics.

I grew up, was educated, and got my entry-level work in an America where the middle class was large and the economy was geared towards its needs. In the last decades the 1% have rigged the government to preserve and increase their tax cheating, while the middle class has been stuck with the bill for the debt they have piled up. The economy no longer works for the middle class because the stakeholders in the government are purely the rich, who are doing GREAT.

If you want good prospects for Millennials vote for policies which expand the middle class, not policies which starve it so Mitt Romney can buy an 11th home.

 

[Drew S.]

What kind of metrics are you using to measure how the generations are "doing?"

Median income, savings, home ownership rates, whatever you want. The student loan debt numbers are frightening. There really is no simple way to measure and compare generations. Part of the problem is that education only does so much for you. A lot of people who went to college found this out the hard way.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Median income, savings, home ownership rates, whatever you want. The student loan debt numbers are frightening. There really is no simple way to measure and compare generations. Part of the problem is that education only does so much for you. A lot of people who went to college found this out the hard way.

You crack me up. Education has nothing to do with why the middle and lower classes are suffering right now.

 

[Kepler]

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In fifty years, when many of us including yours truly are happily snoozing in our dirt naps, words like these will be in history books under the heading "Warnings Ignored / Advertencias Ignoradas."

Now Hitler really isn't the best comparison. That would be Mussolini, who the Tangerine Tyrant somewhat physically, and perfectly metaphysically, resembles. I'm sure there were warning voices in Italy against Mussolini.

Κλειώ in Her infinite wisdom has decreed that we have to go through this, to expiate for our sins or maybe just to knock some sense into us. OK, then. But let's all keep an eye out for the warning signs, shall we?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Gentlemen, start your engines.

(Flag: I sourced one of your nutty sites to keep your interest.)

 

[MaizeRage]

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What kind of metrics are you using to measure how the generations are "doing?"

Voting for a demagogue is a big one, I'm guessing.

 

[St. Clown]

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You crack me up. Education has nothing to do with why the middle and lower classes are suffering right now.

I wouldn't say that at all. It may not have the impact that Drew explained, but it certainly does have an impact. When we see reports that the average college student reads at a 10th grade level, we have an education issue. When students fail to complete high school, we have an education issue (that's rooted in socioeconomic issues). Universities and colleges seemed to think that we have a secondary education issue as they released metrics to the press that close to 40% of first-year college students had to enroll in at least one remedial (read: high school level) course in order to survive their college curriculum; we have a problem.

This country is going to succeed through STEM advancements as we're a highly technologically driven economy. These fields require more education that's built upon math, science and English comprehension skills that we should expect to have been learned in the K-12 years.

 

[Slap Shot]

No, I think we spend too much money on it for the results we get. The best indicator is how the millennial generation is doing. There are some that are obviously wildly successful, and I personally can't complain, but I get the impression overall our generation lags behind the ones preceding us.

Why is public education to blame instead of their parents?

St. Clown - the hs dropout rate for the US is lower than most countries of Europe and SE Asia.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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In fifty years, when many of us including yours truly are happily snoozing in our dirt naps, words like these will be in history books under the heading "Warnings Ignored / Advertencias Ignoradas."

Now Hitler really isn't the best comparison. That would be Mussolini, who the Tangerine Tyrant somewhat physically, and perfectly metaphysically, resembles. I'm sure there were warning voices in Italy against Mussolini.

Κλειώ in Her infinite wisdom has decreed that we have to go through this, to expiate for our sins or maybe just to knock some sense into us. OK, then. But let's all keep an eye out for the warning signs, shall we?



Gentlemen, start your engines.

(Flag: I sourced one of your nutty sites to keep your interest.)

Not everyone is as set in their ways as to what is sourced.

What's funny is, when I look at the globalist takeover attempt, I can cite most, if not all, of the points you have provided. Even if it isn't in the exact means that you are expecting. We've seen this a lot in the last few years, where the globalists will do something evil, all while trying to turn it around on their enemies. Well guess what: You got caught, and there are plenty of uprisings happening now to fight it.

 

[St. Clown]

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Why is public education to blame instead of their parents?

St. Clown - the hs dropout rate for the US is lower than most countries of Europe and SE Asia.

We are #21 on this list. The data isn't sourced, that I could see. It provides "first time graduation rates."

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Why is public education to blame instead of their parents?

St. Clown - the hs dropout rate for the US is slower than most countries of Europe and SE Asia.

Not really public education so much as the bureaucracy of education. Even in private schools (at least at the parochial one I attended for a few years), they're still required to adhere to state requirements. Teaching to the test and how to rote memorize trivia, instead of not only learning information but ways to assess situations. I'll give them it's a fine way of trying to shove kids into the public school system.

Millennials are the first generation to nationally have to deal with all this standardization, whether it's Common Core, NCLB, or however it's branded. In generations prior, you really only had one state for sure where you had to deal with this sort, and that was New York State, as their "Regents" program was a basis behind this standardization. Granted there may have been other states to jump on this bandwagon; I don't know for sure.