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Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
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Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
Is it possible to enlarge an indoor arena that only seats 2,000 to 5,000? Also doesnt the Womens Team currently already have 18 athletes on scholarship since they play in HE and HE has a rule about members using full allotment of scholarships?
Is it possible to enlarge an indoor arena that only seats 2,000 to 5,000? Also doesnt the Womens Team currently already have 18 athletes on scholarship since they play in HE and HE has a rule about members using full allotment of scholarships?
critsports
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Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
Just some general comments/observations:
-I much prefer watching Hockey and Basketball to football although I do watch some college footbal. I live in CT and will watch UCONN games with interest.
-When it comes to BC since they have moved conferences the only sport I will ever watch (or have any interest in watching) is their hockey program. I guess it is because of the conference they play in and the rivalries still seem "natural" to me. When NESN has ACC Basketball (even against a UNC) I flip over the channel faster than an infomercial. I have "no" interest whatsoever. I'm sure it's way different in Beantown but elsewhere I'm guessing there are more people who don't watch anymore.
-In my opinion all these conferences are out of whack and nuts as it is all about $$$/TV exposure and not about natural or geographical rivalries. The BIG Ten is only looking at Rutgers (or antoher Eastern team) to tap into this audience and NOTHING ELSE!!! They want that NY Fan base.
-One of the best parts about college hockey is we still have the traditional East/Central/West rivalries so when it does come tournament time, to me it is much more interesting.
-As to UCONN hockey I do not follow it but as far as the scholarships are concerned wouldn't an upgrade to the scholarships for the men's team get easily offset by an equal upgrade to the women's team??? Arguably the women's team has made more progress and has performed better at getting competitive than the men's team has.
-As to the 5,000 seat requirement for Big East that sort of surprised me as that is really a limiting factor. Many of us ECAC fans always assumed UCONN would be the best fit but that Q Pac's ulterior motive with the TD Bank center would ultimately be to get into Hockey East but I don't think the Bank holds that many people. Interesting chatter you have going here.
Just some general comments/observations:
-I much prefer watching Hockey and Basketball to football although I do watch some college footbal. I live in CT and will watch UCONN games with interest.
-When it comes to BC since they have moved conferences the only sport I will ever watch (or have any interest in watching) is their hockey program. I guess it is because of the conference they play in and the rivalries still seem "natural" to me. When NESN has ACC Basketball (even against a UNC) I flip over the channel faster than an infomercial. I have "no" interest whatsoever. I'm sure it's way different in Beantown but elsewhere I'm guessing there are more people who don't watch anymore.
-In my opinion all these conferences are out of whack and nuts as it is all about $$$/TV exposure and not about natural or geographical rivalries. The BIG Ten is only looking at Rutgers (or antoher Eastern team) to tap into this audience and NOTHING ELSE!!! They want that NY Fan base.
-One of the best parts about college hockey is we still have the traditional East/Central/West rivalries so when it does come tournament time, to me it is much more interesting.
-As to UCONN hockey I do not follow it but as far as the scholarships are concerned wouldn't an upgrade to the scholarships for the men's team get easily offset by an equal upgrade to the women's team??? Arguably the women's team has made more progress and has performed better at getting competitive than the men's team has.
-As to the 5,000 seat requirement for Big East that sort of surprised me as that is really a limiting factor. Many of us ECAC fans always assumed UCONN would be the best fit but that Q Pac's ulterior motive with the TD Bank center would ultimately be to get into Hockey East but I don't think the Bank holds that many people. Interesting chatter you have going here.
Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
In order for Q Pac to get into HE it would either have to move out of its arena into a new one or HE would have to modify its new membership requirements. Honestly I don't see them doing that and why should they since they have a good thing right now. A school has to bring something to the table either a large arena that will be filled up for most of the games or can bring in a decent fan base that will bring in TV money, travel well, and buy up seats for the conference tourney. Without any of that incentive I don't see them bringing in a new school and having to give them a cut of the NESN contract/HE tourney money contract.
In order for Q Pac to get into HE it would either have to move out of its arena into a new one or HE would have to modify its new membership requirements. Honestly I don't see them doing that and why should they since they have a good thing right now. A school has to bring something to the table either a large arena that will be filled up for most of the games or can bring in a decent fan base that will bring in TV money, travel well, and buy up seats for the conference tourney. Without any of that incentive I don't see them bringing in a new school and having to give them a cut of the NESN contract/HE tourney money contract.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
Addressing this in parts...
1) UConn has 18 womens scholarships for ice hockey from all that I've heard. UConn women are also given a more solid attention within the building and in marketing.
2) Any of those (Hockey East) requirements can disappear with a vote by the school presidents. I think its more of a "this is what it will take for us to take you seriously". There's no reason Hockey East shouldn't compel a degree of seriousness.
3) Any offset would have to be made up in new scholarships... but this presumes that there is a proportional deficit that is neutral. This would be a program wide accounting and not just hockey. Supposedly you also have to line up monetary allocations as well... not sure how this would play. In general any school with a football team will find it difficult.
In general, as I was getting out of UConn... the attention and drive in the state to pump resources into UConn had dropped off quite a bit. For all the gains the state has made I think they've arrived at a status quo point for now. I get the feeling that UConn is just about as big as people (taxpayers) desire for the moment. So, that being said, i don't see money becoming available for general sports upgrades unless the football team can become more profitable... and lets not forget the next target (after the basketball training facility) is likely a Rentschler Field expansion to 65K.
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I don't doubt that QU wants to play in the Hockey East pool... but they think very highly of themselves. They think that they are like Boston College or at least deserve to be.... this is what I've gotten out of them over the years... especially when listening to the Miami-OH/QU NCAA Baseball game (the one where they lost 35-10). That being said, schools can rise and fall and a 5K seat requirement basically says "you aren't doing this on the cheap".
Addressing this in parts...
1) UConn has 18 womens scholarships for ice hockey from all that I've heard. UConn women are also given a more solid attention within the building and in marketing.
2) Any of those (Hockey East) requirements can disappear with a vote by the school presidents. I think its more of a "this is what it will take for us to take you seriously". There's no reason Hockey East shouldn't compel a degree of seriousness.
3) Any offset would have to be made up in new scholarships... but this presumes that there is a proportional deficit that is neutral. This would be a program wide accounting and not just hockey. Supposedly you also have to line up monetary allocations as well... not sure how this would play. In general any school with a football team will find it difficult.
In general, as I was getting out of UConn... the attention and drive in the state to pump resources into UConn had dropped off quite a bit. For all the gains the state has made I think they've arrived at a status quo point for now. I get the feeling that UConn is just about as big as people (taxpayers) desire for the moment. So, that being said, i don't see money becoming available for general sports upgrades unless the football team can become more profitable... and lets not forget the next target (after the basketball training facility) is likely a Rentschler Field expansion to 65K.
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I don't doubt that QU wants to play in the Hockey East pool... but they think very highly of themselves. They think that they are like Boston College or at least deserve to be.... this is what I've gotten out of them over the years... especially when listening to the Miami-OH/QU NCAA Baseball game (the one where they lost 35-10). That being said, schools can rise and fall and a 5K seat requirement basically says "you aren't doing this on the cheap".
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MarkEagleUSA
C'mon Q!
Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
In strictly hockey terms, we have yet to sustain a formidable presence in the ECAC, let alone D1 hockey. I think we'll get there someday, but until we do comparing ourselves to the likes of BC is almost laughable.
As for academics I do think (and agree) that QU thinks highly of themselves. It is a quality private institution that can compete with many other schools out there.
Under the right circumstances perhaps. I don't think they went into the ECAC thinking it was a stepping stone to HE. I think QU is a good fit for the ECAC and will remain there for quite a while.
Huh? Are you serious? Are you talking about hockey, athletics in general, or academics?
In strictly hockey terms, we have yet to sustain a formidable presence in the ECAC, let alone D1 hockey. I think we'll get there someday, but until we do comparing ourselves to the likes of BC is almost laughable.
As for academics I do think (and agree) that QU thinks highly of themselves. It is a quality private institution that can compete with many other schools out there.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
I just take in the attitudes of people... and that's the feeling I get. I don't think they believe they are there in athletics or in hockey... and I don't think they're using BC as a comparison point.
edit: seriously, some of the QU stuff I've seen over the years have been almost "Iraqi Spokesman" bad.
Do you remember when QU took the team photo at the Boston Garden? That's the type of stuff I'm talking about.
I just take in the attitudes of people... and that's the feeling I get. I don't think they believe they are there in athletics or in hockey... and I don't think they're using BC as a comparison point.
edit: seriously, some of the QU stuff I've seen over the years have been almost "Iraqi Spokesman" bad.
Do you remember when QU took the team photo at the Boston Garden? That's the type of stuff I'm talking about.
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MarkEagleUSA
C'mon Q!
Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
So what is it then? You're contradiciting what you said earlier and have got me confused.
I don't remember that but have to assume it was before joining the ECAC. Certainly we weren't comparing ourselves to BC back in our AH days...
Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
Yup, the compensating rides would have to come in some other sport as the women's hockey rides were used to offset football's rise to what used to be called D-1A from D-1AA. That other sport would almost certainly be a non-revenue sport. Thus the business case would not be very attractive. Actually, downright unattractive would be a better way to put it.
Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
While I don't much about UCONN's sports programs I assume not all of its women's teams are using their full allotment. So maybe scholarships can be spread among the sports. If they made the move to big time hockey the they would have an increase in revenue to help offset that. Also as someone mentioned they seem to be planning a stadium expansion. A stadium expansion could potentially bring in millions extra a year to their Athletic department even after paying the bonds/loans used to finance construction and could also cover the move. Also whatever ends up happening with this conference realigment whether UCONN goes to Big 10. stays in a new BE after the Football split they will probably have a much larger TV contract.
While I don't much about UCONN's sports programs I assume not all of its women's teams are using their full allotment. So maybe scholarships can be spread among the sports. If they made the move to big time hockey the they would have an increase in revenue to help offset that. Also as someone mentioned they seem to be planning a stadium expansion. A stadium expansion could potentially bring in millions extra a year to their Athletic department even after paying the bonds/loans used to finance construction and could also cover the move. Also whatever ends up happening with this conference realigment whether UCONN goes to Big 10. stays in a new BE after the Football split they will probably have a much larger TV contract.
TigerFan86-87
R!!!!...I!!!!!...T!!!!!!
Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
Don't worry. You're not the only one. Our friend Patman seems to "..take in attitudes of people...", a.k.a. gets a burr in his saddle when it comes to any AHA programs that actually give a rat's a** about hockey, want to work to improve their program, and move past being like the dregs of the college hockey world (i.e. UConn). He seems to think that RIT has some kind of entitlement mentality and that QU "...thinks very highly of themselves...". Whatever. If wanting to better your program and become competitive with teams and conferences that aren't regularly referred to as "Mickey Mouse" is such a bad thing, then so be it. The fan(s?) of the UConns, AICs, Bentleys, Sacred Hearts, etc. of this world can wallow in their teams' crapulence endlessly if they want, but don't need to pretend like the quality programs are doing them some kind of injustice by not accepting the basement as a permanent residence.
So what is it then? You're contradiciting what you said earlier and have got me confused.
Don't worry. You're not the only one. Our friend Patman seems to "..take in attitudes of people...", a.k.a. gets a burr in his saddle when it comes to any AHA programs that actually give a rat's a** about hockey, want to work to improve their program, and move past being like the dregs of the college hockey world (i.e. UConn). He seems to think that RIT has some kind of entitlement mentality and that QU "...thinks very highly of themselves...". Whatever. If wanting to better your program and become competitive with teams and conferences that aren't regularly referred to as "Mickey Mouse" is such a bad thing, then so be it. The fan(s?) of the UConns, AICs, Bentleys, Sacred Hearts, etc. of this world can wallow in their teams' crapulence endlessly if they want, but don't need to pretend like the quality programs are doing them some kind of injustice by not accepting the basement as a permanent residence.
Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
The University of Connecticut, as a school, is already a member of Hockey East. Does that fact change the accounting any?
Powers &8^]
The University of Connecticut, as a school, is already a member of Hockey East. Does that fact change the accounting any?
Powers &8^]
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
There is no connection between Hockey East and the Big East besides for the word "East" and the fact that Providence is in both.
There is no connection between Hockey East and the Big East besides for the word "East" and the fact that Providence is in both.
MarkEagleUSA
C'mon Q!
Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
So is UConn.. the women's hockey team plays in Hockey East. I think LtPowers is asking if that carries any weight should the men want to switch.
MarkEagleUSA
C'mon Q!
Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
What confuses me is who are the "people" he refers too? It's certainly not the QU fans here on USCHO (there's not enough of us). Outside of that, we don't even get much local press. If this impression comes from face-to-face encounters, I'm really surprised because I've never seen that attitude from fans or anyone connected to the program.
We're happy with what we have and where we're at. Sure, we want to do better as all teams do, but I just don't see where this superiority complex he speaks of comes from... unless things were different back when we were in AH (which was before I started following the team).
To be honest, the only school/team we thumb our noses at is Yale because they're so close and are a natural rival for us (even though they won't admit it... yet).
First off, for clarification, my comments weren't meant to be argumentative (to him or anyone else)... I am just confused by his statements.
What confuses me is who are the "people" he refers too? It's certainly not the QU fans here on USCHO (there's not enough of us). Outside of that, we don't even get much local press. If this impression comes from face-to-face encounters, I'm really surprised because I've never seen that attitude from fans or anyone connected to the program.
We're happy with what we have and where we're at. Sure, we want to do better as all teams do, but I just don't see where this superiority complex he speaks of comes from... unless things were different back when we were in AH (which was before I started following the team).
To be honest, the only school/team we thumb our noses at is Yale because they're so close and are a natural rival for us (even though they won't admit it... yet).
TigerFan86-87
R!!!!...I!!!!!...T!!!!!!
Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
They're probably imaginary friends. Who knows where he gets this stuff from or finds these "people"?
I didn't mean to accuse you of being argumentative. I just couldn't help but take a swipe at Patman and his "...taking of attitudes from people...".
They're probably imaginary friends. Who knows where he gets this stuff from or finds these "people"?
I didn't mean to accuse you of being argumentative. I just couldn't help but take a swipe at Patman and his "...taking of attitudes from people...".
Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
They would still need to be voted on by the current members regardless of the women's program being already in H.E. They currently have no plans to expand beyond the current 10 as it would create scheduling problems and eliminate team's opportunities to schedule OOC games.
They would still need to be voted on by the current members regardless of the women's program being already in H.E. They currently have no plans to expand beyond the current 10 as it would create scheduling problems and eliminate team's opportunities to schedule OOC games.
Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
Where did you get the impression I thought otherwise?
UConn, as an institution, is a member of Hockey East. UConn's AD has a vote in league business. The Big East doesn't even come close to entering into anything.
Powers &8^]
Where did you get the impression I thought otherwise?
UConn, as an institution, is a member of Hockey East. UConn's AD has a vote in league business. The Big East doesn't even come close to entering into anything.
Powers &8^]
Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
Oh for... look, the quotation was "Any school that currently wants to join Hockey East must have an arena with a a capacity of over 5000." The University of Connecticut has already joined Hockey East. So my question was, does that fact mean that the statement about arena capacity is irrelevant? Or did CHFAN222 mean "Any school that wants to add a men's program to Hockey East must have an arena..."?
Powers &8^]
Oh for... look, the quotation was "Any school that currently wants to join Hockey East must have an arena with a a capacity of over 5000." The University of Connecticut has already joined Hockey East. So my question was, does that fact mean that the statement about arena capacity is irrelevant? Or did CHFAN222 mean "Any school that wants to add a men's program to Hockey East must have an arena..."?
Powers &8^]
Re: Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game
HE Women != HE Men. There is actually some big money in the mens conference and the schools involved are not as willing to let a school join it unless they bring something to the table.
HE Women != HE Men. There is actually some big money in the mens conference and the schools involved are not as willing to let a school join it unless they bring something to the table.