Plans for UConn hockey outdoor game

[sterlippo1]

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I have to imagine... and this is my working theory... is this is a "hey, look at me" thing for Howard Baldwin hoping to tap into the hockey fans in the area. I think the general issue is that Hartford struggles to be something beyond a moderate sized town and this is an example of them wanting to reach out. I wouldn't look at this as a "UConn" event but rather a "Hartford" event.

interesting perspective...........but then UConn is ok with being used by Howard Baldwin? there are certainly hockey PLAYERS in the region, if not hockey fans.......... CT, thanks for Cam Atkinson, BTW

 

[WildKitty]

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BRING BACK THE WHALERS! That would rock big time.

 

[kingdobbs]

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interesting perspective...........but then UConn is ok with being used by Howard Baldwin?

It's not as if UConn athletics doesn't have an intrinsic connection to Rentschler Field or anything.

UConn has also not been shy about showboating with the programs even though they're not particularly interested in building them up to a decently competitive level.

 

[Patman]

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It's not as if UConn athletics doesn't have an intrinsic connection to Rentschler Field or anything.

UConn has also not been shy about showboating with the programs even though they're not particularly interested in building them up to a decently competitive level.

This is true... I mean, the AHA hockey night in Boston for instance... for UConn its a freebie... like you're going to say no to some exposure paid by somebody else.

Out of ignorance though... does UConn own Rentschler or does that belong to Pratt & Whitney or some other partnership?

 

[kingdobbs]

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This is true... I mean, the AHA hockey night in Boston for instance... for UConn its a freebie... like you're going to say no to some exposure paid by somebody else.

Out of ignorance though... does UConn own Rentschler or does that belong to Pratt & Whitney or some other partnership?

Officially it is owned by the state, and UConn pays rent (although I believe it is nominal) to use it, but for UConn football events the university receives all the gate revenue and a large percentage of the concessions (if I remember correctly what was in the public report in the legislative library).

 

[sterlippo1]

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It's not as if UConn athletics doesn't have an intrinsic connection to Rentschler Field or anything.

UConn has also not been shy about showboating with the programs even though they're not particularly interested in building them up to a decently competitive level.

ok, i get the intrinsic connection...............why wouldn't they be interested in building them up though? oh, that was already discussed. they aren't interested

 

[CHFAN222]

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It costs $250,000 just to set up the outdoor ice...

I figure that cost will be going down. Due to the fact there are outdoor college games every year and the Winter Classic the cost will probably go down.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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I figure that cost will be going down. Due to the fact there are outdoor college games every year and the Winter Classic the cost will probably go down.

And that is going to make it cheaper how?

 

[GoNU5]

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And that is going to make it cheaper how?

Repetition and expertise could make it somewhat cheaper to do. Once they've done it a number of times, they would know how to do it faster and more efficiently than it took them to make the first few outdoor games. Not sure if it would save them a significant amount of money, but I'm guessing with how frequent it's become it might be a little bit cheaper.

 

[Patman]

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Repetition and expertise could make it somewhat cheaper to do. Once they've done it a number of times, they would know how to do it faster and more efficiently than it took them to make the first few outdoor games. Not sure if it would save them a significant amount of money, but I'm guessing with how frequent it's become it might be a little bit cheaper.

The only way you have it get cheaper is that if others are able to pull it off in the presence of stagnant demand. I seriously doubt its gotten cheaper.

 

[AspyDad]

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I am a UCONN Alum and am new to these threads. Wondering why UCONN doesn't have a better program. Women's team is in Hockey East. Seems that UCONN could build a Men's program in short time and get in Hockey East. I heard that Coach is a popular guy but UCONN has always been willing to do what it takes to build winning tradition (see basketball and budding Football team). Any articles out there on this subject? Just wondering.

 

[Patman]

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I am a UCONN Alum and am new to these threads. Wondering why UCONN doesn't have a better program. Women's team is in Hockey East. Seems that UCONN could build a Men's program in short time and get in Hockey East. I heard that Coach is a popular guy but UCONN has always been willing to do what it takes to build winning tradition (see basketball and budding Football team). Any articles out there on this subject? Just wondering.

My run down...

UConn is a school which views itself as a big time athletics school (for good reason) and so they traditionally work along those lines. As a result, since college hockey isn't really their peer group they aren't particularly interested. To most, hockey is a regional sport and when you're trying to be a national school, regional interests are frowned upon. You then have to couple this that any progress of the hockey club would run into interference with the basketball program. While fans of each tend to be different it would cause a diversion of resources and attention. There's also the nominal Title IX issues which also affects Mens Baseball.

As for the coach. I've talked to a few players... I won't say anything specific at all.... I think they want to play hockey and do what's best to play as long as they can. My opinion... the coach is a waste of $80,000 and should have been fired a decade ago. He exists as an obstacle to the success of UConn hockey and his prolonged tenure is owed to the fact that the Athletic Department desires no more than the hockey team to be at best irrelevant. The University's treatment of the program and consideration should be considered an embarrassment... but they don't care. As soon as UConn decides to be serious Bruce Marshall will be fired... and Bruce knows this. I'm of the general understanding that I'm not the the only one who thinks negatively of Marshall... but in the end I carry my own opinion.

As for "doing what it takes"... the hockey program proves that this is not true.

I was a UConn graduate student from September of 2004 to August of 2009.

edit: I'm not entirely down on UConn... I love the football program and what Edsall has done... but for hockey... its a mess

 

[kingdobbs]

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I am a UCONN Alum and am new to these threads. Wondering why UCONN doesn't have a better program. Women's team is in Hockey East. Seems that UCONN could build a Men's program in short time and get in Hockey East. I heard that Coach is a popular guy but UCONN has always been willing to do what it takes to build winning tradition (see basketball and budding Football team). Any articles out there on this subject? Just wondering.

It's a weird thing. On the one hand, they've kept it alive for nearly fifty years, let it live through the Title IX cuts in the 1970s wherein the school lost wrestling and lacrosse (although since they were playing at the D-III level then there weren't scholarships being given anyway), and have given it a new (albeit not state of the art) arena in the last fifteen years. So clearly there's some interest in still having the program around.

On the other hand, there hasn't been much more support for it than to be in a holding pattern and just playing hockey to play hockey. The AD just doesn't seem to care, unless there's some chance of making an event out of it. It's somewhat frustrating to wonder why and what if, but after 11 years watching, I pretty much recognize nothin' good is gonna happen for a while.

UConn may do good things and have a solid commitment to winning for a lot of its sports (m/w hoops, football, m/w soccer, field hockey are all nationally recognized and/or powerful programs), but ice hockey isn't one of them.

 

[AspyDad]

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My run down...

UConn is a school which views itself as a big time athletics school (for good reason) and so they traditionally work along those lines. As a result, since college hockey isn't really their peer group they aren't particularly interested. To most, hockey is a regional sport and when you're trying to be a national school, regional interests are frowned upon. You then have to couple this that any progress of the hockey club would run into interference with the basketball program. While fans of each tend to be different it would cause a diversion of resources and attention. There's also the nominal Title IX issues which also affects Mens Baseball.

As for the coach. I've talked to a few players... I won't say anything specific at all.... I think they want to play hockey and do what's best to play as long as they can. My opinion... the coach is a waste of $80,000 and should have been fired a decade ago. He exists as an obstacle to the success of UConn hockey and his prolonged tenure is owed to the fact that the Athletic Department desires no more than the hockey team to be at best irrelevant. The University's treatment of the program and consideration should be considered an embarrassment... but they don't care. As soon as UConn decides to be serious Bruce Marshall will be fired... and Bruce knows this. I'm of the general understanding that I'm not the the only one who thinks negatively of Marshall... but in the end I carry my own opinion.

As for "doing what it takes"... the hockey program proves that this is not true.

I was a UConn graduate student from September of 2004 to August of 2009.

edit: I'm not entirely down on UConn... I love the football program and what Edsall has done... but for hockey... its a mess

Thanks to both you and kingdobbs for taking time to explain. Just a couple of quick questions. Do they have scholarships and how many? Are most of them walk-ons or does does Coach recruit players?

 

[Patman]

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Thanks to both you and kingdobbs for taking time to explain. Just a couple of quick questions. Do they have scholarships and how many? Are most of them walk-ons or does does Coach recruit players?

The Mens program has zero scholarships... the last scholarship player at UConn was Aaron Kakepetum who had a scholarship honored from when Iona (?) ended their program.

Most schools recruit their walk-ons... so yes there is recruiting... in general though non-scholarship athletes are all walk-ons most know what they're walking into

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AoPLTHefMmmTclpOLUdKSDFRME5RZVhJSkc0N2ctdWc&gid=1

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AoPLTHefMmmTdEw4QWgxUjdKLTB0MEk3VTFLdlBOaHc&gid=1

For the record... these are run by Chris Heisenberg the grandson of that Heisenberg.

Marshall has been fairly open about bringing in a lot of guys and seeing which ones wash out. I won't say much more than that so I don't end up being a total downer

I think there is a market for hockey at UConn. I think the students would take to it as would others*... but this is an institutional issue which I don't think will go away any time soon... and no athletic director is going to come in and start rocking the boat.

*I saw the rink get 1/4-1/3 full during the halftime of a soccer game because the mens club team was playing Boston College.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Baldwin might be delusional.

A UConn-Sacred Heart game. *crickets chirping* That's right, the two teams that averaged 568 fans for their combined 31 home games last year. *tumbleweed blows by* They're going to help save the Whale *pin drops* Whooo!

Listen, I wish all the luck to Baldwin, all the Whale fans out there and the city of Hartford... but let's be serious. Kansas City, Milwaukee, Winnipeg, Quebec City and Hamilton/Southern Ontario are all miles ahead of Hartford when it comes to getting an NHL team. About the only thing Hartford has going for it is a delusional PR stunt and some holdover Whale fans in a part of the country with FOUR NHL teams within a reasonably close driving distance.

 

[Puck Swami]

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I would love to see this event succeed, but I have a hard time envisioning more than 3,000 fans showing up to watch UConn play Sacred Heart in February in a 40,000+ seat football stadium in East Hartford. The optics of this huge virtually empty stadium are likely going to backfire and make UConn hockey look even more bush league than the current perception.

I would rather see them spend the money to upgrade UConn hockey - not make a mockery of it.

 

[CHFAN222]

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Hey they are willing to roll the dice so let's see what happens. I might check this out since tickets will be extremely cheap for it most likely. I imagine UCONN's athletic department is going to work really hard to promote this in the Fall.

 

[MarkEagleUSA]

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I would love to see this event succeed, but I have a hard time envisioning more than 3,000 fans showing up to watch UConn play Sacred Heart in February in a 40,000+ seat football stadium in East Hartford.

It looks like this has nothing at all to do with UConn hockey, but rather Baldwin's desire to get pro hockey back in Hartford. According to today's report, "Baldwin says his new campaign includes a "Whalers Hockey Fest" that will feature as many as 20 outdoor games at Rentschler Field in East Hartford next February."

 

[sterlippo1]

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It looks like this has nothing at all to do with UConn hockey, but rather Baldwin's desire to get pro hockey back in Hartford. According to today's report, "Baldwin says his new campaign includes a "Whalers Hockey Fest" that will feature as many as 20 outdoor games at Rentschler Field in East Hartford next February."

wouldn't they be better off trying to get you guys in that game? rather than SH?