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Patriots 2010: the Year We Make Contracts
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Re: Patriots 2010: the Year We Make Contracts
I liked it because it reminded me of the old Pats where they came out with a distinct game plan and/or adjusted to a distinct approach. The pats used to be harder to gameplan against, on both sides, because they rarely did the same thing week to week. They'd come out and have the whole D play from a 2 pt stance or one week after going hurry up all game they'd come out in a 2 back set. Recently they look more similar week to week which must be easier to prepare for.
Although, I do like the "let's score 14 off special teams" plan...that one they can repeat each week.
I liked it because it reminded me of the old Pats where they came out with a distinct game plan and/or adjusted to a distinct approach. The pats used to be harder to gameplan against, on both sides, because they rarely did the same thing week to week. They'd come out and have the whole D play from a 2 pt stance or one week after going hurry up all game they'd come out in a 2 back set. Recently they look more similar week to week which must be easier to prepare for.
Although, I do like the "let's score 14 off special teams" plan...that one they can repeat each week.
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This is probably unimportant, but you know what I really liked? I kept waiting for the obligatory "throw it up to Moss" play, even when the game got out of hand. Instead, they remained disciplined and just took the underneath stuff Miami was willing to give up. They didn't really force anything on offense all night. 60 minutes.
Baltimore and Minny are coming up, and SD can really get after it on defense at home. So that'll be three consecutive tough defenses to face following the bye, then at Pittsburgh the week after the Browns game. Should be interesting, at least.
This is probably unimportant, but you know what I really liked? I kept waiting for the obligatory "throw it up to Moss" play, even when the game got out of hand. Instead, they remained disciplined and just took the underneath stuff Miami was willing to give up. They didn't really force anything on offense all night. 60 minutes.
Baltimore and Minny are coming up, and SD can really get after it on defense at home. So that'll be three consecutive tough defenses to face following the bye, then at Pittsburgh the week after the Browns game. Should be interesting, at least.
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For a while last night, Danny Woodhead was the number one trending topic on Twitter.
Also, haven't had any confirmation on it yet, but I still suspect that it was a NWMSU fan that changed Danny's Wikipedia page to have him listed as 4'1". They're the fan base that gave him the nickname of the Hobbit.
For a while last night, Danny Woodhead was the number one trending topic on Twitter.
Also, haven't had any confirmation on it yet, but I still suspect that it was a NWMSU fan that changed Danny's Wikipedia page to have him listed as 4'1". They're the fan base that gave him the nickname of the Hobbit.
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Nice job all around although the results are skewered a bit by some plays I don't expect to be repeated (blocked punt AND field goal in the same game???
- that doesn't even happen to Buffalo).
What I like is that the O finally took what was there instead of forcing the ball downfield. 5 yard dump offs to Welker are the way to go sometimes. Also like the RB's. Keep BJGE and Woodhouse as the primary backs, tell Fred Taylor thanks for the memories, and work them more into the gameplan. This team should be putting up monster points on offense. That doesn't mean every TD has to go to Moss.
Not as happy with the D. A better QB would have picked them apart. Ninkovich made a nice play on the 2nd INT, and I give the Pats in general credit for their ability to hold onto picks, something they were missing the last couple of years. Beyond that though, they still are struggling on 3rd and whatever, and that 2nd CB position (be it Butler, Arrington, etc) can't cover anybody. They should also stick with Chung and Meriweather at safety. Every time I see an opposing player celebrating in the endzone, its followed by a #36 jersey jogging into the play 5 seconds late.
So all in all I think the D is getting better but I'd really like to see some of these young players step up and grab the starting job. Of the 11 guys back there, the only ones I know will be in the starting lineup on any given game are Wilfolk, Wright, Warren, Mayo and McCourty. That's less than half the D with their jobs locked down.
Nice job all around although the results are skewered a bit by some plays I don't expect to be repeated (blocked punt AND field goal in the same game???
- that doesn't even happen to Buffalo). What I like is that the O finally took what was there instead of forcing the ball downfield. 5 yard dump offs to Welker are the way to go sometimes. Also like the RB's. Keep BJGE and Woodhouse as the primary backs, tell Fred Taylor thanks for the memories, and work them more into the gameplan. This team should be putting up monster points on offense. That doesn't mean every TD has to go to Moss.
Not as happy with the D. A better QB would have picked them apart. Ninkovich made a nice play on the 2nd INT, and I give the Pats in general credit for their ability to hold onto picks, something they were missing the last couple of years. Beyond that though, they still are struggling on 3rd and whatever, and that 2nd CB position (be it Butler, Arrington, etc) can't cover anybody. They should also stick with Chung and Meriweather at safety. Every time I see an opposing player celebrating in the endzone, its followed by a #36 jersey jogging into the play 5 seconds late.
So all in all I think the D is getting better but I'd really like to see some of these young players step up and grab the starting job. Of the 11 guys back there, the only ones I know will be in the starting lineup on any given game are Wilfolk, Wright, Warren, Mayo and McCourty. That's less than half the D with their jobs locked down.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
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Wow, Randy back to Minnesota?
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5653186
Wow, Randy back to Minnesota?
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5653186
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Have seen one report saying it will happen today, another that it is dead. I would be that this happens today so it occurs with plenty of time left int he Pats bye week. The one thing I haven't see is what is the compensation.
Good info, as always, from Mike Reiss: http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/
and more fuel for the fire: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/
Have seen one report saying it will happen today, another that it is dead. I would be that this happens today so it occurs with plenty of time left int he Pats bye week. The one thing I haven't see is what is the compensation.
Good info, as always, from Mike Reiss: http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/
and more fuel for the fire: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/
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So now it is being reported that the Pats will get a third round pick. I just don't see how a third round pick is worthwhile right now. If Moss were to walk at the end of the season the Pats would be in line to get a third round compensation pick. Why get rid of Moss now for a third? Why not use him for a whole season and then see what happens or take the third? Just don't see how this improves them. Good thing Brady is signed as I can't see him jumping up and down about this.
So now it is being reported that the Pats will get a third round pick. I just don't see how a third round pick is worthwhile right now. If Moss were to walk at the end of the season the Pats would be in line to get a third round compensation pick. Why get rid of Moss now for a third? Why not use him for a whole season and then see what happens or take the third? Just don't see how this improves them. Good thing Brady is signed as I can't see him jumping up and down about this.
Kepler
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Dumb question: do compensatory picks come in a block at the end of the round and if so, what determines their order?
Dumb question: do compensatory picks come in a block at the end of the round and if so, what determines their order?
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I believe it is at the end of a round and there is some formula to it. I would have to look it up to know for sure. On the plus side - the number one pick from Oakland should be a fairly high pick again (they will probably trade down) and the number two from Carolina could be very high in the 2nd round.
I believe it is at the end of a round and there is some formula to it. I would have to look it up to know for sure. On the plus side - the number one pick from Oakland should be a fairly high pick again (they will probably trade down) and the number two from Carolina could be very high in the 2nd round.
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The Patriots have been the worst run in Boston over the past few seasons. Too many trades with zero return that will help them now. All they do is stock pile draft picks that have turned into guys like Terrence Wheatley, Shawn Crable, Kevin O'Connell, Kareem Brown, David Thomas, Garrett Mills, and Ellis Hobbs. Who are these guys? The 3rd and 4th round picks the Patriots have drafted since 2005 that haven't really made a name for themselves.
The Patriots have been the worst run in Boston over the past few seasons. Too many trades with zero return that will help them now. All they do is stock pile draft picks that have turned into guys like Terrence Wheatley, Shawn Crable, Kevin O'Connell, Kareem Brown, David Thomas, Garrett Mills, and Ellis Hobbs. Who are these guys? The 3rd and 4th round picks the Patriots have drafted since 2005 that haven't really made a name for themselves.
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This is weird. I was talking to a friend at lunch yesterday about potential improvement at key spots, maybe they're coming around a bit, the offense actually looked like a real offense and not an Arena League team, and with perhaps four picks in the top 50 spots of the 2011 draft, with Oakland's right now projecting to a No. 5-6 and Carolina's projecting to No. 33-36, and if they can hit on three of those picks, and blah blah blah . . .
And then I stopped myself and thought, "What the hell am I talking about? They're FOUR games into this season!" What kind a shi**y fan I am to be thinking like this when they're 3-1, 2-1 in the division, in what is right now a wide open NFL. Who are the dominant teams? The Jets? Baltimore? Pittsburgh? The Saints? 1-2 Dallas? 2-2 Indy? Sure, right now they look like they can't compete consistently on defense. But let's see where they are in week eight, twelve, etc. Who knows what might happen?
And now this. It's really disappointing, especially coming off the biggest road win for this organization in at least 22 months. I was excited to see what they could bring to the table vs. 3-1 Baltimore.
I understand their reasons for this. But I'd feel a lot better if they could've at least landed a backup D lineman or a nickleback who could help this year. I hate the feeling that they've so dramatically taken away from the 2010 product four weeks into the season.
So in an uncapped year, they've traded Maroney's and Moss's salaries and picked up draft choices that they'll be paying in capped years. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense if your goal is to win games and win championships.
This is weird. I was talking to a friend at lunch yesterday about potential improvement at key spots, maybe they're coming around a bit, the offense actually looked like a real offense and not an Arena League team, and with perhaps four picks in the top 50 spots of the 2011 draft, with Oakland's right now projecting to a No. 5-6 and Carolina's projecting to No. 33-36, and if they can hit on three of those picks, and blah blah blah . . .
And then I stopped myself and thought, "What the hell am I talking about? They're FOUR games into this season!" What kind a shi**y fan I am to be thinking like this when they're 3-1, 2-1 in the division, in what is right now a wide open NFL. Who are the dominant teams? The Jets? Baltimore? Pittsburgh? The Saints? 1-2 Dallas? 2-2 Indy? Sure, right now they look like they can't compete consistently on defense. But let's see where they are in week eight, twelve, etc. Who knows what might happen?
And now this. It's really disappointing, especially coming off the biggest road win for this organization in at least 22 months. I was excited to see what they could bring to the table vs. 3-1 Baltimore.
I understand their reasons for this. But I'd feel a lot better if they could've at least landed a backup D lineman or a nickleback who could help this year. I hate the feeling that they've so dramatically taken away from the 2010 product four weeks into the season.
So in an uncapped year, they've traded Maroney's and Moss's salaries and picked up draft choices that they'll be paying in capped years. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense if your goal is to win games and win championships.
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Was wrong on the compensatory pick if Moss left as a free agent - from Mike Reiss at ESPN Boston:
"When analyzing the trade of Randy Moss to the Vikings, one consideration is compensatory draft picks.
Had the Patriots kept Moss for the season, the team could have received a 2012 compensatory draft choice when/if Moss signed with another team in the offseason.
That pick could have been no higher than a fifth-rounder in 2012, because Moss has 10 accrued seasons in the NFL.
That was likely a consideration for the Patriots when they accepted a 2011 third-round pick as compensation from the Vikings."
Was wrong on the compensatory pick if Moss left as a free agent - from Mike Reiss at ESPN Boston:
"When analyzing the trade of Randy Moss to the Vikings, one consideration is compensatory draft picks.
Had the Patriots kept Moss for the season, the team could have received a 2012 compensatory draft choice when/if Moss signed with another team in the offseason.
That pick could have been no higher than a fifth-rounder in 2012, because Moss has 10 accrued seasons in the NFL.
That was likely a consideration for the Patriots when they accepted a 2011 third-round pick as compensation from the Vikings."
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Here's a radical thought. Maybe they should have extended Moss' contract?
IF there's no other moves coming here, and this a straight up Moss-3rd rounder, I'm done with this team for awhile. This is a Bruins move - keep making the team worse with dumb trades but lie with a straight face and say the team's getting better. I'd f v cking sick of stockpiling 3rd and 4th rounders. It doesn't work. I'm sick of trading down. It doesn't work. They need to re-stock the team with high first rounders. What the f u ck are they doing with all the money the team earns? Aren't they the second most valuable franchise after Dallas? I don't see the Colts or Steelers continually having free agent fire sales every year. This is becoming a pattern of bad deals (Law, Branch, Samuel, Vrabel, etc etc) where we've let guys go or given them away for pennies on the dollar that could have helped the team. Might be time for the team to take away Belichick's personnel duties and let him focus on coaching.
Here's a radical thought. Maybe they should have extended Moss' contract?
IF there's no other moves coming here, and this a straight up Moss-3rd rounder, I'm done with this team for awhile. This is a Bruins move - keep making the team worse with dumb trades but lie with a straight face and say the team's getting better. I'd f v cking sick of stockpiling 3rd and 4th rounders. It doesn't work. I'm sick of trading down. It doesn't work. They need to re-stock the team with high first rounders. What the f u ck are they doing with all the money the team earns? Aren't they the second most valuable franchise after Dallas? I don't see the Colts or Steelers continually having free agent fire sales every year. This is becoming a pattern of bad deals (Law, Branch, Samuel, Vrabel, etc etc) where we've let guys go or given them away for pennies on the dollar that could have helped the team. Might be time for the team to take away Belichick's personnel duties and let him focus on coaching.
FiveHole12
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The Pats roster is full of draft picks since '05', including Chung, Butler, Crable, Edelman, Gostkowski, Gronkowski, Hernandez, Mayo, Meriweather, McCourty, Ohrnberger, Vollmer etc.
Roster
Looks to me like a lot more have stuck than the number of busts mentioned above.
Anyone consider Moss may be a negative influence in the locker room at this point? They smoke Miami and the coach and team are jacked, and Moss looks like he just lost the family dog. Gotta get rid of cancer.
You forgot to add nameless players like Gostkowski, R4, '06; Ohrnberger R4, '09' and Hernandez R4, '10'.
The Pats roster is full of draft picks since '05', including Chung, Butler, Crable, Edelman, Gostkowski, Gronkowski, Hernandez, Mayo, Meriweather, McCourty, Ohrnberger, Vollmer etc.
Roster
Looks to me like a lot more have stuck than the number of busts mentioned above.
Anyone consider Moss may be a negative influence in the locker room at this point? They smoke Miami and the coach and team are jacked, and Moss looks like he just lost the family dog. Gotta get rid of cancer.
Chickens@NU
A Mini Rooster and a Mini Hen
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I completely disagree with this statement. I think this is a matter of addition by subtraction. Brady hasn't been Brady since Moss got here. Look at this past week. He threw to Moss once (quick play, won't fault Moss for that) but Brady had a 107 passer rating. Week before, 2 passes to Moss (albeit 2 TDs) and a 142 passer rating. Against the Jets, 10 out of 36 passes to Moss, 8 dropped or picked off, 72 passer rating. Moss isn't necessary. What has Branch done since he left? Not more than 49 passes. Hasn't played a full season since he left (14 games twice, 11 and 8). I will give you the moves on D were bad letting some of the vets go, but with the O, I think this team is better without Moss.
Here's a radical thought. Maybe they should have extended Moss' contract?
IF there's no other moves coming here, and this a straight up Moss-3rd rounder, I'm done with this team for awhile. This is a Bruins move - keep making the team worse with dumb trades but lie with a straight face and say the team's getting better. I'd f v cking sick of stockpiling 3rd and 4th rounders. It doesn't work. I'm sick of trading down. It doesn't work. They need to re-stock the team with high first rounders. What the f u ck are they doing with all the money the team earns? Aren't they the second most valuable franchise after Dallas? I don't see the Colts or Steelers continually having free agent fire sales every year. This is becoming a pattern of bad deals (Law, Branch, Samuel, Vrabel, etc etc) where we've let guys go or given them away for pennies on the dollar that could have helped the team. Might be time for the team to take away Belichick's personnel duties and let him focus on coaching.
I completely disagree with this statement. I think this is a matter of addition by subtraction. Brady hasn't been Brady since Moss got here. Look at this past week. He threw to Moss once (quick play, won't fault Moss for that) but Brady had a 107 passer rating. Week before, 2 passes to Moss (albeit 2 TDs) and a 142 passer rating. Against the Jets, 10 out of 36 passes to Moss, 8 dropped or picked off, 72 passer rating. Moss isn't necessary. What has Branch done since he left? Not more than 49 passes. Hasn't played a full season since he left (14 games twice, 11 and 8). I will give you the moves on D were bad letting some of the vets go, but with the O, I think this team is better without Moss.
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Sorry, but this is Bruins thinking. Lets get rid of the star player for nothing and we're better off for it.
No offense, but that makes no sense. Instead of drawing coverage away from Welker, you can now expect him to be doubled all day while teams crowd in 10-15 yards downfield and dare someone like Tate to beat them.
The bottom line is this team has not won a Super Bowl in 6 years and their draft choices have not panned out into impact players in eons. Gostkowski = who cares? Kickers are a dime a dozen and we already have one before he came along. All the rest of them are not top line players. That's why the team keeps falling further behind the elites in the league, and is now in a dogfight for their own division.
Used to be we'd be on the other side of these transactions (Moss for 4th rounder, Ted Washington for 2nd rounder). Now we're the ones getting fleeced left and right. At some point you have to ask yourself why the team keeps getting itself into contentious free agent wars with its own players. Why can the Steelers and Colts keep their impact stars and we can't?
Sorry, but this is Bruins thinking. Lets get rid of the star player for nothing and we're better off for it.
No offense, but that makes no sense. Instead of drawing coverage away from Welker, you can now expect him to be doubled all day while teams crowd in 10-15 yards downfield and dare someone like Tate to beat them.The bottom line is this team has not won a Super Bowl in 6 years and their draft choices have not panned out into impact players in eons. Gostkowski = who cares? Kickers are a dime a dozen and we already have one before he came along. All the rest of them are not top line players. That's why the team keeps falling further behind the elites in the league, and is now in a dogfight for their own division.
Used to be we'd be on the other side of these transactions (Moss for 4th rounder, Ted Washington for 2nd rounder). Now we're the ones getting fleeced left and right. At some point you have to ask yourself why the team keeps getting itself into contentious free agent wars with its own players. Why can the Steelers and Colts keep their impact stars and we can't?
Chickens@NU
A Mini Rooster and a Mini Hen
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I only disagree with Moss. It's like A-Rod idea. He's a great player, but 9 times out of 10 you're better off without him. I think for Brady's mentality, he's better off without Moss. I think the rest of the moves you're talking about (Samuel, Law, Seymore, Vrable, etc.) on the defense, they should have ponied up the cash, not made the trade whatever. The offense has always been, plug X into lineup here and he produces. Plug X into another team, he becomes a bust. Offensively, As long as Brady's there, I think we're ok. Defensively, they've been stupid (along with Thomas being a total bust signing).
Sorry, but this is Bruins thinking. Lets get rid of the star player for nothing and we're better off for it.
The bottom line is this team has not won a Super Bowl in 6 years and their draft choices have not panned out into impact players in eons. Gostkowski = who cares? Kickers are a dime a dozen and we already have one before he came along. All the rest of them are not top line players. That's why the team keeps falling further behind the elites in the league, and is now in a dogfight for their own division.
Used to be we'd be on the other side of these transactions (Moss for 4th rounder, Ted Washington for 2nd rounder). Now we're the ones getting fleeced left and right. At some point you have to ask yourself why the team keeps getting itself into contentious free agent wars with its own players. Why can the Steelers and Colts keep their impact stars and we can't?
I only disagree with Moss. It's like A-Rod idea. He's a great player, but 9 times out of 10 you're better off without him. I think for Brady's mentality, he's better off without Moss. I think the rest of the moves you're talking about (Samuel, Law, Seymore, Vrable, etc.) on the defense, they should have ponied up the cash, not made the trade whatever. The offense has always been, plug X into lineup here and he produces. Plug X into another team, he becomes a bust. Offensively, As long as Brady's there, I think we're ok. Defensively, they've been stupid (along with Thomas being a total bust signing).
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
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Has the smear campaign started on eei yet?
As a stillers fan, I am obviously thrilled.
Has the smear campaign started on eei yet?
As a stillers fan, I am obviously thrilled.