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Patriots 2010: the Year We Make Contracts
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Patriots 2010: the Year We Make Contracts
When nance said, "give to maroney" we all said -no td
When nance said, "give to maroney" we all said -no td
Re: Patriots 2010: the Year We Make Contracts
sad thing is that is exactly the thought that went through my mind....
When nance said, "give to maroney" we all said -no td
sad thing is that is exactly the thought that went through my mind....
Re: Patriots 2010: the Year We Make Contracts
They really suck, in many ways. But they won and they're 2-1 and it looks like they'll be tied for first place by the end of the night. And they only need seven more wins to go 9-7. I don't know if they can get there, but there's a chance.
The only issue I have with the "they'll draft help with the pass rush next year" view is that I wonder if they're really capable of doing that. As I look at their last, say, five drafts, I don't see any evidence they know how to do that. I hope they do, though, and it was nice to see the Raiders give one away today.
That Carolina second-rounder is 33-37 right now. Their next three games are @ NO, vs. Chicago, and vs. San Francisco. If they decide to pack it in, that could be a boon, considering NE traded away #89 for what could be a mid- to high-30's pick.
But again, do they really know which players to draft? Looking out there on defense today, I don't have that confidence. I hope -- but I'm skeptical at this point.
They really suck, in many ways. But they won and they're 2-1 and it looks like they'll be tied for first place by the end of the night. And they only need seven more wins to go 9-7. I don't know if they can get there, but there's a chance.
The only issue I have with the "they'll draft help with the pass rush next year" view is that I wonder if they're really capable of doing that. As I look at their last, say, five drafts, I don't see any evidence they know how to do that. I hope they do, though, and it was nice to see the Raiders give one away today.
That Carolina second-rounder is 33-37 right now. Their next three games are @ NO, vs. Chicago, and vs. San Francisco. If they decide to pack it in, that could be a boon, considering NE traded away #89 for what could be a mid- to high-30's pick.
But again, do they really know which players to draft? Looking out there on defense today, I don't have that confidence. I hope -- but I'm skeptical at this point.
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Went to the game yesterday for the first time to Gillette. Really nice stadium. I can see how Kraft is raking in the cash at that place.
Regarding the Pats, I'd rather see them draft a stud RB with the Raiders pick because its what's missing in their offense. Do that and resign Moss and the O is good to go for several more years especially with those new TE's playing so well. An offensive coordinator would be nice too.
The problem with the D is the weak link, which is the #2 corner position where Bodden should have been. Butler in limited duty even yesterday looks bad. Arrington isn't much better although in fairness it was his first game. They really, really need to get someone solid back there. I don't care if it costs big $$$. If one corner can't cover anybody, the rest of the D breaks down. You have to either drop more LB's into coverage, or blitz and leave your D exposed downfield. This is Belichick's fault, as the problems with the secondary have been evident the previous 2 years. Not sure what to make of McCourty yet. Could be that because the WR's are so wide open on the other side nobody bothers to throw his way.
Went to the game yesterday for the first time to Gillette. Really nice stadium. I can see how Kraft is raking in the cash at that place.
Regarding the Pats, I'd rather see them draft a stud RB with the Raiders pick because its what's missing in their offense. Do that and resign Moss and the O is good to go for several more years especially with those new TE's playing so well. An offensive coordinator would be nice too.
The problem with the D is the weak link, which is the #2 corner position where Bodden should have been. Butler in limited duty even yesterday looks bad. Arrington isn't much better although in fairness it was his first game. They really, really need to get someone solid back there. I don't care if it costs big $$$. If one corner can't cover anybody, the rest of the D breaks down. You have to either drop more LB's into coverage, or blitz and leave your D exposed downfield. This is Belichick's fault, as the problems with the secondary have been evident the previous 2 years. Not sure what to make of McCourty yet. Could be that because the WR's are so wide open on the other side nobody bothers to throw his way.
Re: Patriots 2010: the Year We Make Contracts
2010 Draft:
Devin McCourty, CB: Starting CB
Rob Gronkowski, TE: Part of three-man TE combination
Jermaine Cunningham, LB: On 53-man roster
Brandon Spikes, LB: Starting ILB
Taylor Price, WR: On 53-man roster
Aaron Hernandez, TE: Part of three-man TE combination
Zoltan Mesko , P: Punter
Ted Larsen, C: CUT
Thomas Welch, OL: CUT
Brandon Deaderick: On 53-man roster
Kade Weston, DT: Season-ending IR
Zac Robinson, QB: CUT
2010 UDFA:
Dane Fletcher (ILB)
Kyle Love (DL)
2009 Draft:
Patrick Chung, S: Starting SS
Ron Brace, DT: On 53-man roster
Darius Butler, CB: Starting CB
Sebastian Vollmer, OL: Starting RT
Brandon Tate, WR: Third WR and kick returner
Tyrone McKenzie, LB: CUT (PS)
Rich Ohrnberger, OL: CUT (PS)
George Bussey, OL: CUT
Jake Ingram, LS: Long snapper
Myron Pryor, DT: On 53-man roster
Julian Edelman, WR: On 53-man roster
Darryl Richard, DT: Season-ending IR
2009 UDFA: Brian Hoyer (QB)
For comparison purposes: They have seven players left from the 06-08 draft classes (five from 2008, and only one from '06 and '07).
Let's hope these young guys develop into players. They will become, for better or worse, the future of the franchise.
I was thinking more about this. IIRC, following the draft I was thinking they could end up with 16-17 players on the 53-man roster from the last two draft/UDFA classes. Right now I count 19, with two others on IR, so that's 21 guys they're still working with at this point:
2010 Draft:
Devin McCourty, CB: Starting CB
Rob Gronkowski, TE: Part of three-man TE combination
Jermaine Cunningham, LB: On 53-man roster
Brandon Spikes, LB: Starting ILB
Taylor Price, WR: On 53-man roster
Aaron Hernandez, TE: Part of three-man TE combination
Zoltan Mesko , P: Punter
Ted Larsen, C: CUT
Thomas Welch, OL: CUT
Brandon Deaderick: On 53-man roster
Kade Weston, DT: Season-ending IR
Zac Robinson, QB: CUT
2010 UDFA:
Dane Fletcher (ILB)
Kyle Love (DL)
2009 Draft:
Patrick Chung, S: Starting SS
Ron Brace, DT: On 53-man roster
Darius Butler, CB: Starting CB
Sebastian Vollmer, OL: Starting RT
Brandon Tate, WR: Third WR and kick returner
Tyrone McKenzie, LB: CUT (PS)
Rich Ohrnberger, OL: CUT (PS)
George Bussey, OL: CUT
Jake Ingram, LS: Long snapper
Myron Pryor, DT: On 53-man roster
Julian Edelman, WR: On 53-man roster
Darryl Richard, DT: Season-ending IR
2009 UDFA: Brian Hoyer (QB)
For comparison purposes: They have seven players left from the 06-08 draft classes (five from 2008, and only one from '06 and '07).
Let's hope these young guys develop into players. They will become, for better or worse, the future of the franchise.
SteveF
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but couldn't you argue that some of the 09 and 10 players you mentioned are only on the roster because of the team's failure to produce anyone good from those previous drafts? especially considering the limited moves made in free agency.
no doubt some are very talented and will become mainstays of the future core, but others are definitely just going to be placeholders
but couldn't you argue that some of the 09 and 10 players you mentioned are only on the roster because of the team's failure to produce anyone good from those previous drafts? especially considering the limited moves made in free agency.
no doubt some are very talented and will become mainstays of the future core, but others are definitely just going to be placeholders
Re: Patriots 2010: the Year We Make Contracts
Absolutely. And the injuries to Bodden, Warren, and Faulk play a factor as well -- three spots that would've been filled (and maybe a fourth for McGowan). They're definitely interrelated.
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This sort of thing worked better when we had All-Pros on defense and an in-his-prime Brady, but oh well, I guess it can't hurt . . .
This sort of thing worked better when we had All-Pros on defense and an in-his-prime Brady, but oh well, I guess it can't hurt . . .
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/columns/story?columnist=reiss_mike&id=5646647
Jon
Say, this is nice.
Re: Patriots 2010: the Year We Make Contracts
Look on the brightside. We get 5 hours of John Gruden lusting after Chad Henne tonight. Comedy gold!
Look on the brightside. We get 5 hours of John Gruden lusting after Chad Henne tonight. Comedy gold!
thecomicbookguy
Nobody.
Jon
Say, this is nice.
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Felger just lit himself on fire.
Felger just lit himself on fire.
MountieBoyOz
Eater of Worlds
Re: Patriots 2010: the Year We Make Contracts
I wonder if New England was just a little annoyed about what happened last week?
I wonder if New England was just a little annoyed about what happened last week?
Jon
Say, this is nice.
Re: Patriots 2010: the Year We Make Contracts
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I didn't see this coming. The final score is a bit of a fluke due to all the big special teams plays, but I liked the way they took what Miami gave them offensively. They ran the ball when Miami refused to adjust to the run. They kept the D off the field. And the D actually made a couple plays. It's a work in progress, for sure. But I like how the staff coached them up for this game.
ESPN quickly ran some stat early in the fourth quarter. I think it was something like: no team that finished above .500 has ever started 14 rookies or second-year players in the first three games of the following season. Is that right? It was an odd stat and the announcers didn't linger on it.
Two weeks to prepare for Baltimore, then at San Diego and vs. Minnesota the following two weeks. There will be ups and downs but tonight was a lot of fun.
I didn't see this coming. The final score is a bit of a fluke due to all the big special teams plays, but I liked the way they took what Miami gave them offensively. They ran the ball when Miami refused to adjust to the run. They kept the D off the field. And the D actually made a couple plays. It's a work in progress, for sure. But I like how the staff coached them up for this game.
ESPN quickly ran some stat early in the fourth quarter. I think it was something like: no team that finished above .500 has ever started 14 rookies or second-year players in the first three games of the following season. Is that right? It was an odd stat and the announcers didn't linger on it.
Two weeks to prepare for Baltimore, then at San Diego and vs. Minnesota the following two weeks. There will be ups and downs but tonight was a lot of fun.
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essentially, the stat they were trying to convey was that no team with a winning record the previous year has started more more rookies and 2nd year players the following season... they just made it confusing to talk about by stuffing the number of young players (14) into the visual...
i think they meant to use it as a segue to the pats really being in a rebuilding mode on defense but never finished the point
essentially, the stat they were trying to convey was that no team with a winning record the previous year has started more more rookies and 2nd year players the following season... they just made it confusing to talk about by stuffing the number of young players (14) into the visual...
i think they meant to use it as a segue to the pats really being in a rebuilding mode on defense but never finished the point
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Yeah, I think they probably planned to use that stat with Miami up 38-21 late, and they figured, "Oh hell, just throw it on screen now."