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Part VI of the XXI Winter Olympiad: USA!! USA!! USA!!

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I'm not a fan of either team, and Crosby's always been a twit in my mind. Some of it, I'm sure, is that he's promoted above and beyond everyone else (to the extent that the few NHL games I get to see on TV involve the Penguins 80% of the time), but part of it is his constant chirping to the officials and soccer-esque diving.

I like Malkin, I like Ovechkin. Crosby can DIAF, as far as I'm concerned though.

Same. Here's the other thing. In the playoffs while Ovechkin gets away with a lot, the guy is absolutely hacked, hooked, etc when he goes to the net.

All you have to do is breathe on Crosby and the Pens are going to the PP in the playoffs.

And Ovechkin doesn't whine about it to the officials.
 
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There is no denying either of their talents. It just sucks when you're a fan of a team that has to play them so much and see them get all the calls to go their way 90% of the time.

Stars get benefit calls in every sport. It's most egregious in the NBA, but refs know that having star players stay in the game is good for the game, and a healthy game means a better future for them as refs.
 
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And Ovechkin doesn't whine about it to the officials.

He doesn't whine because he has no business whining to the officials about anyone taking a few ordinary whacks at his knees when you consider the charging non-calls he often gets away with.

That said, I would rather watch Ovechkin than Crosby, and that's not because I'm a 'bitter' Wings fan. I just think Ovechkin is the more entertaining player to watch.
 
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That said, I would rather watch Ovechkin than Crosby, and that's not because I'm a 'bitter' Wings fan. I just think Ovechkin is the more entertaining player to watch.

One of the best things about being in the DC hockey market -- ok, the only good thing about being in the DC hockey market -- is being able to watch Ovechkin 50-60 times a year. He's insanely entertaining.

That said, I'd managed to ignore Crosby up until the Olympics, but he was fun to watch there. I agree the media has crawled up his caboose to build a nest, but that's just them and the league trading back rubs to sell pork and beans. It was the same with Orr, Espo, Lafleur, Gretz, Mario, Bourque, Forsberg... there's always That Guy the league builds its image around and god help you if you say one word askance. Seems to me Crosby's just the latest, and I hope Taveras will be the next.
 
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One of the best things about being in the DC hockey market -- ok, the only good thing about being in the DC hockey market -- is being able to watch Ovechkin 50-60 times a year. He's insanely entertaining.

That said, I'd managed to ignore Crosby up until the Olympics, but he was fun to watch there. I agree the media has crawled up his caboose to build a nest, but that's just them and the league trading back rubs to sell pork and beans. It was the same with Orr, Espo, Lafleur, Gretz, Mario, Bourque, Forsberg... there's always That Guy the league builds its image around and god help you if you say one word askance. Seems to me Crosby's just the latest, and I hope Taveras will be the next.

Add Bobby Hull to that list. What do these guys have in common? They fill up arenas, they are stars to people who don't know a hockey puck from a licorice lozenge. Hull may be the most important on the list (I admit my prejudice here) since he was the face of the NHL during the first big expansion. Back in those days most folks didn't know the difference between a cross check and a cross stitch. But they sure as heck knew who the Golden Jet was, and they bought lots of tickets to watch him play.
 
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All you have to do is breathe on Crosby and the Pens are going to the PP in the playoffs.

A perfect example of this was in last night's game against the Rangers. Crosby barely gets touched and he flailing away like a 2 year old on skates. He could get a Summer Olympic gold medal for Diving. :mad:
 
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A perfect example of this was in last night's game against the Rangers. Crosby barely gets touched and he flailing away like a 2 year old on skates. He could get a Summer Olympic gold medal for Diving. :mad:

More like an Academy Award!
 
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Add Bobby Hull to that list. What do these guys have in common? They fill up arenas, they are stars to people who don't know a hockey puck from a licorice lozenge. Hull may be the most important on the list (I admit my prejudice here) since he was the face of the NHL during the first big expansion. Back in those days most folks didn't know the difference between a cross check and a cross stitch. But they sure as heck knew who the Golden Jet was, and they bought lots of tickets to watch him play.

I'm happy there are still a few things others can recall than I can't! :)

I assume Mikita, Richard, Beliveau all got some special treatment, too.

(I don't think Howe*, Lindsey or Geoffrion did, though. ;-) They were as likely to be bludgeoning as bludgeoned. )

* Funny how relatively few PIM Howe got, though. From his rep, I'd have expected more just from fights.
 
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* Funny how relatively few PIM Howe got, though. From his rep, I'd have expected more just from fights.

His rep actually kept the number of fights down. Few wanted to tangle with him...
 
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It happens at all levels of the game. I remember Parise and Vanek getting that treatment in the WCHA as well.
 
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I'm happy there are still a few things others can recall than I can't! :)

I assume Mikita, Richard, Beliveau all got some special treatment, too.

(I don't think Howe*, Lindsey or Geoffrion did, though. ;-) They were as likely to be bludgeoning as bludgeoned. )

* Funny how relatively few PIM Howe got, though. From his rep, I'd have expected more just from fights.

It depends on what you mean by "special." In the early part of his career, Mikita was as likely to shove his stick up your azz as look at you. Somewhere along the line he changed his outlook and actually won the Lady Byng. All of the guys you named were special, of course, but Bobby Hull brought something to the party that set him apart.

Hull had two seemingly contradictory aspects to his game. He was the fastest skater of his day--certainly one of the fastest skaters ever. And he had the heaviest shot: 120mph slapper, 105 mph wrister. Also among the most powerful shots of all time. Couple that with matinee idol looks and the flowing blond hair (of which there is much less these days) and you had something special. Has anybody else been the fastest skater and had the heaviest shot? I can't think of anybody.

The sight of Hull scooping up the puck behind his net and racing up the ice at full speed, shedding checkers like Ralphie, the Colorado buffalo, was something to see. The crowds (Chicago or anywhere else) would let out a sustained "oooooh" as he zoomed toward the far blue line, then an "aahhh" when he let loose with a shot. Goalies admitted they were afraid of him because they couldn't see his slapper coming. One goalie of the day told Sport Magazine that Hull once took an unscreened slapper from the blue line, he brought his glove up to make the catch, and it hit him IN THE BACK OF THE GLOVE! Already coming out.

Howe was in a league apart and a guy who would rip your heart out. And he wouldn't necessarily respond immediately. He'd wait, skate by your bench and butt end you. A nasty piece of work. But look at that career.

Hull, on the other hand, often said he couldn't score from the penalty box. And he was routinely double teamed for most of his career. Another guy on the ice with him whose sole job was to follow Bobby around, try to deny him the puck, then hook, hold and trip him when he did get it. The Red Wings gave that job to the appropriately named Brian "busher" Watson. Hull rarely got into fights, but when he did it was like a John Wayne movie, with guys flying out of the barroom windows. On one memorable occasion Hull had had enough of Watson and just kayoed him, dragged him half conscious to the Wings box, dropped him off like a bag of mail, then took his seat in the Blackhawk box. He once kayoed John Ferguson of the Canadiens, a guy known as the "heavyweight champion of the NHL." Hull had broken his jaw somehow, and the first chance he got, Ferguson applied an elbow. Then his lights went out.

The guys you mentioned were better players, better on defense, who had mastered all of the nuances of the game. But Bobby Hull wasn't about nuance. He was about skating like the wind and firing that howitzer somewhere in your general direction. Not only was he the most popular player in the league by a mile (remember, only 6 teams) he was the face of the NHL, the one guy casual fans would know in non-NHL cities.

One year the Hawks were out of the playoffs and NBC (?) hired Bobby to do commentary. As the network came out of a break, the camera followed Bobby in the Boston Garden as he was making his way back to the press box. And the Boston fans were giving him a standing O. Oh yeah, he was way special.
 
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I'm a little nervous just thinking about trying to stop a 120 MPH slapshot. :o

That Sport Magazine quote came from an article titled "Why Goalies Fear For their Lives." Sport got a bunch of the top goalies of the day together and asked them questions like: has he ever intimidated you, ever hurt you, ever frightened you. I don't remember who said it, but the guy who described the puck hitting him in the back of the glove added that if it weren't for the fact that there were 18K people in the building, he would have put his gloves on top of the cage and headed downstairs for a Molson's. Gump Worsley once took a Hull slapper off his forehead and claimed the only thing that saved his life was the fact that the puck had turned over and hit him flat, rather than edge first. He came to that conclusion sometime later, after he came to.
 
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I hesitate to think how fast the puck would be going if Bobby Hull had used a a modern composite stick. In his day, they were all wood sticks.
 
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My father had his sternum broken stopping a Reed Larson slapper when they were in high school. My dad switched to defense not long after that.
 
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I hesitate to think how fast the puck would be going if Bobby Hull had used a a modern composite stick. In his day, they were all wood sticks.

On the other hand, he and Mikita literally invented the curved blade, and for a long time there were no regs on how extreme the hook could be. Evidently, with that amount of curve, the puck can behave like a knuckleball. Oh good, the thing's coming in at 120 mph AND dipping and diving! But I think he'd probably prefer modern equipment at the end of the day.

There's a legends of hockey 9 minute video on You Tube that shows a picture of Bobby, stripped to the waist, forking a bale of hay. He was immensely strong, and didn't have the benefit of today's modern weight training devices. That's another thing from which he would benefit today.

He is not the greatest hockey player of all time. IMHO, however, he is the greatest offensive force the game has ever known. On the PP Chicago used to roll him out to the left point like a piece of artillery. They'd lag the puck back to him and he'd let loose with a blast. And if there was a rebound, they'd frequently lag it back to him for another blast. You'd be amazed how many of those lasers wound up in the back of the net. He also played on the PK, all he needed was the puck on the end of his stick, and away he'd go.
 
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