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Oswego 2011 Playoff and Offseason Thread: Hips and Nips or We Don't Win!

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Laker28 said:
The fact that the Morrisville game meant nothing in the standings or NCAA purposes had more to do with Oswego losing than the fact that Morrisville is a so called lesser opponent. I think they will be ready for Fredonia, because they know Meredith will have his team ready to play and the last meeting between the two went into overtime. It is all on the line now and they just have a second or third gear that not many teams that aren't named Plattsburgh can match. The possibility is always there for Friesen to get hot and steal the show in which case a loss wouldn't be due to a lack of effort.

I have to question whether Geneseo will be mentally ready for a Plattsburgh team that has made 20 or so straight trips to the SUNYAC finals especially after the shellacking they took against Oswego. They totally fell apart under the Oswego onslaught and Rubeniuk tried to pull himself after the last goal and they left him in. To me they looked physically and emotionally shot after that game and while a week is plenty of time to rest physically it is also plenty of time dig a deeper hole mentally. Plattsburgh knows how to win in the playoffs and are coming off a huge win while Genny's last action was giving up six goals in one period, I would have to tip the odds in Platty's favor.

On paper it looks like another Oswego/Plattsburgh final, but as they say they don't play the games on paper.
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I had completely forgot about Plattsburgh's conference championship game appearance last night while watching that overtime. Good call on that. So close to it ending abruptly in a SUNYAC play-in game. I wonder if that stat made it into Emery's intermission speech about not being the first team in X years to not make it to the conference finals....
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
I had completely forgot about Plattsburgh's conference championship game appearance last night while watching that overtime. Good call on that. So close to it ending abruptly in a SUNYAC play-in game. I wonder if that stat made it into Emery's intermission speech about not being the first team in X years to not make it to the conference finals....
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Didn't we determine in another thread that the last time Plattsburgh was eligible for playoffs (i.e. not facing an NCAA sanction postseason ban) and failed to make the SUNYAC championship game was 1984, the year of the switch to DIII?
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
I wasn't belitting them and I'm not calling myself a new-age Laker fan. I attended Oswego at the tail-end of the years where the team choked away in the playoffs (minus 2007). Now everyone expects Oswego to win every game by 4 goals and beating Plattsburgh lately is common rather than losing nearly every time. Oswego was something 1-10-1 against Plattsburgh while I was there.

My post is being misconstrued here.

Records are records and facts are facts. The records outside of the 80's were average to slightly above average until 2003 when they went to the title game.

And BTW- your elitist attitude because of your age over me is getting old. I'm not the one that took away the Great Laker nickname. Talk to the SID two people prior to the current one about that. He made it so NO media referred to the hockey team as the Great Lakers. I always have referred to them that way because that is what I grew up knowing them as in the days of Romney when I would make trips up for Elmira games every year.
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that being said prez you now owe everyone a pretzel, where you get it from is your choice......good luck this weekend
 
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Matt Rennell said:
Just dropping in to pour some gasoline on the flames...

http://sunyac.com/news/2011/2/24/MHOCKEY_0224110249.aspx

SUNYAC Player of the Year: Jordan Oye - Fredonia
SUNYAC Rookie of the Year: Zachary Vit - Geneseo
SUNYAC Coach of the Year: Chris Schultz - Geneseo
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It is a sufficient tribute to Oswego for their balanced abilities - there are no standouts, and there are no stars. Everyone does their part, and the rest is shown in the W column.

So no surprise - decent selections.
 
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The only surprise to me is Eddie not being named coach of the year. How quickly the SUNYAC forgot about what Shultz and Co. over there in Genny did. I commend him on the job he did with the team this year, but I still feel Gosek did a better job. It is not because of the record that I say that as I think he held this team together and got them back on track after those losses during break. Those defeats could have sent us spiraling into a string of defeats with not knowing who the starting goaltender was when Beckwith was out.

The selection of Oye as the POY I can understand, but Boots had a very good case for the honor. After all he lead the conference in points, assists, and pts. per game (1.75). We knew by the nature of the all-conference honors that he would be the only Laker legitamtely in the race for the award. But I think Justin Fox's name should have been thrown into the hat that they obviously picked the name out of. He very quitely had a good year for the Lakers in the assist column.

I think it is safe to say (and an understatement) that we are a balanced scoring team. No one has more than 9 goals and everyone is bunched up between 4 and 9 goals on this team (in league play). We have 6 guys who are in double digits in goals on the whole year and another 5 who have 4-6 goals. The other thing I noticed is that this is a very unselfish team. Two Lakers are in the top 2 in the league in assists and four in total are in double digits. It didn't take the score sheet to bring that too my attention. An example of this was the Genny game last weekend when Boots put away his goal stick and found his teammates. If they continue to play this way things will bode well for the Lakers.
 
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LakerAlum09 said:
The only surprise to me is Eddie not being named coach of the year. How quickly the SUNYAC forgot about what Shultz and Co. over there in Genny did. I commend him on the job he did with the team this year, but I still feel Gosek did a better job. It is not because of the record that I say that as I think he held this team together and got them back on track after those losses during break. Those defeats could have sent us spiraling into a string of defeats with not knowing who the starting goaltender was when Beckwith was out.

The selection of Oye as the POY I can understand, but Boots had a very good case for the honor. After all he lead the conference in points, assists, and pts. per game (1.75). We knew by the nature of the all-conference honors that he would be the only Laker legitamtely in the race for the award. But I think Justin Fox's name should have been thrown into the hat that they obviously picked the name out of. He very quitely had a good year for the Lakers in the assist column.

I think it is safe to say (and an understatement) that we are a balanced scoring team. No one has more than 9 goals and everyone is bunched up between 4 and 9 goals on this team (in league play). We have 6 guys who are in double digits in goals on the whole year and another 5 who have 4-6 goals. The other thing I noticed is that this is a very unselfish team. Two Lakers are in the top 2 in the league in assists and four in total are in double digits. It didn't take the score sheet to bring that too my attention. An example of this was the Genny game last weekend when Boots put away his goal stick and found his teammates. If they continue to play this way things will bode well for the Lakers.
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I'm not surprised Schultz got it over Gosek considering Geneseo had to rebound from NCAA sanctions last year and were barred from the playoffs. I'm more surprised it went to Schultz over Carriere who took Buff State from dead last in the SUNYAC last year to 3rd (4 points to 19). Perhaps he's thought of as too much of a goon to receive the award...

And as I said in the Plattsburgh thread:

nysportsfan29 said:
Interesting. Herb Hammond Award goes to a guy who didn't lead his team in points in SUNYAC play or overall.
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nysportsfan29 said:
I'm not surprised Schultz got it over Gosek considering Geneseo had to rebound from NCAA sanctions last year and were barred from the playoffs. I'm more surprised it went to Schultz over Carriere who took Buff State from dead last in the SUNYAC last year to 3rd (4 points to 19). Perhaps he's thought of as too much of a goon to receive the award...

And as I said in the Plattsburgh thread:
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Interesting. Herb Hammond Award goes to a guy who didn't lead his team in points in SUNYAC play or overall.
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Same could be said about 1st team goalie selection.
 
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mdmadison said:
Same could be said about 1st team goalie selection.
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I guess. But I would assume a large part of the coaching selection is based on wins. Just as a large part of the goalie selection should have been based on stats.

At this point I wonder if the Morrisville loss is the main reason why Beckwith didn't finish on the first team.
 
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nysportsfan29 said:
I guess. But I would assume a large part of the coaching selection is based on wins. Just as a large part of the goalie selection should have been based on stats.

At this point I wonder if the Morrisville loss is the main reason why Beckwith didn't finish on the first team.
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If I recall he was 15-1 in the SUNYAC and 18-1 overall, so I don't think wins had anything to do with it. However, that loss to Morrisville toward the end of the regular season may have swayed a couple of coaches. Also the fact that the coaches probably thought he had a great defense in front of him but, as many Laker fans know, he saw his share of breakaways.
 
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mdmadison said:
If I recall he was 15-1 in the SUNYAC and 18-1 overall, so I don't think wins had anything to do with it. However, that loss to Morrisville toward the end of the regular season may have swayed a couple of coaches. Also the fact that the coaches probably thought he had a great defense in front of him but, as many Laker fans know, he saw his share of breakaways.
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I just think it would have been harder to pick against him with an unblemished conference record. If you've got a 0 in the L column - and you started all 16 games - that has to say something.

And he's probably the best Laker goaltender I've seen on breakaways. I think I've seen him give up 2 goals and he's been left out to dry at least 5 times more than that in his career.
 
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Laker Ranger said:
To which I would speculate that a recipe is in place for Geneseo to see the SUNYAC out as champs.:mad:

Oswego meets a Fredonia team that has scraped the bottom of the barrel for their playoff position. Respect for games against teams of "relatively inconsequential importance" lead to the recent loss against Morrisville. Meanwhile, Geneseo yawns, and hops onto home ice against a Plattsburgh team still sucking wind from a long bout with Morrisville. Oswego goes flat, Plattsburgh can't muster the strength, and the final becomes a battle between teams in blue sweaters.

Of course, if Oz just keeps riding that tidal wave of madness from last week, this is a moot point. It is also a moot point if Genny has simply coasted into the playoffs, and no longer possesses the juice to get by Plattsburgh's conditioning, which has taken a hit, but is still dangerous.

Those are my musings out of this Play-In Round. Ready to shout "OYE!" with everyone else come Saturday.:cool:
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I have never worried about Plattsburgh's conditioning. I will worry more about the weather and the team arriving there safely today.
 
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Birds said:
I have never worried about Plattsburgh's conditioning. I will worry more about the weather and the team arriving there safely today.
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I believe they left late last night and got in before the storm happened.
 
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For the record, this weekend is the 20th anniversary of my favorite memory from my four years in Oswego - Great Lakers 6, Geneseo 2 at Ira in the 1991 SUNYAC Championship. A soph. named Mike Catuosco had a natural hat trick in the third. I believe 93 Great Laker was wearing #12 for us at the time. I was there, and after the game, Coach Don Unger pointed the team to my group of fans who sat behind the bench and we all slapped hands over the glass. Fabulous nightt I will never forget!

Looking forward to pounding Freddy tomorrow night! (Although we turned out OK after the lost to them the last time we played in SUNYAC Playoffs - that was in 2007).
 
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Mjbeckman, do you remember Glenn McCaffarey on that team? I work with him.:D Great guy and he never spoke of what his teams did. But, I always talk Oswego hockey with him and keep him up to date on the team. He always speaks highly of Coach Unger and Eddie.
 
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Wasn't at the game so could someone give a recap? It sounded like Beckwith brought his A game but the rest of the team thought it was a best of 3 series.
 
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mdmadison said:
Wasn't at the game so could someone give a recap? It sounded like Beckwith brought his A game but the rest of the team thought it was a best of 3 series.
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Luke Moodie's goal for the lone Lakers was one I couldn't fathom going in. Banking the shot off a player to go in was about the most creative thing that happened all night for the Lakers. It was frequent lazy passing, nothing developed for blitzing the offensive zone, and the defense went out to lunch, thereby leaving Beckwith to balance the meetings. And even he had some tough times just covering the puck.

And Fredonia scoring in overtime was of little surprise for me - it seemed like pure luck that they missed the net as many times as they did (off turnovers, of course), and Friesen (sp?) was...solid. Granted, the Lakers didn't seem like they gave a fook, but he did his job well.

It goes without saying on this thread now about history's results when OSU folds to Freddy in the SUNYAC semis. I guess I just have two questions of my own - one for anyone with interests in selection (yes, I know there's a thread for it, but simply for the Lakers' perspective here), and the other a gut question for Lakers fans...

1) Oswego now depends on the at-large bid - I have no doubt that they'll suck one up, but do they still get #1 East and/or a bye out of this?

2) Unlike last year (a leap of faith over Bowdoin), I personally have delayed picking up Minneapolis tickets until now. Any reason someone can give to a "Lakers only" FF prospective buyer to NOT wait until after OSU plays again in two weeks (beyond the chance that tickets may be sold out)?
 
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