Oswego 2011 Playoff and Offseason Thread: Hips and Nips or We Don't Win!

[nysportsfan29]

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Any comments?

I'm a little surprised that Fox only gets an honorable mention considering he was tied for 2nd in points and assists. And 3rd in goals.

I'd probably be a little more peeved at that if it weren't for Beckwith finishing 2nd to Carr. That is just absolutely outrageous. Tops in wins, SV%, GAA. What is the deal???

 

[Laker28]

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I think Carr got the nod because he is a Freshman on an underdog team. When Beckwith is on his game you almost don't even notice him on the ice and some people can get mesmerized by a guy that makes a bunch of spectacular saves which could be another reason for Carr over Beckwith. I don't know how much thought is put in to these, but Hare and Jones each having shutouts might not help his cause as some might think he is a product of a good defense. Us Laker fans know otherwise because the team is prone to offensive zone turnovers.

I felt when I was picking the teams, goalie was the easiest because Beckwith blows everyone else away in every important category, even with a rough patch in the second half.

 

[LakerFan99]

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Sounds like the tale of "not so long ago", when Oz dropping the SUNYAC semi turned into paving the way to a bigger title...neah, hopefully Lakers win this one.

This should be an entertaining first round tonight - quick Q: Buff State has video coverage, and Platty has only radio, right?

Platty's site shows a link for video:

http://shootout.primelink1.net/

Link for Buff St: http://bscintra.buffalostate.edu/athletics/hockey/

 

[nysportsfan29]

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I think Carr got the nod because he is a Freshman on an underdog team. When Beckwith is on his game you almost don't even notice him on the ice and some people can get mesmerized by a guy that makes a bunch of spectacular saves which could be another reason for Carr over Beckwith. I don't know how much thought is put in to these, but Hare and Jones each having shutouts might not help his cause as some might think he is a product of a good defense. Us Laker fans know otherwise because the team is prone to offensive zone turnovers.

I felt when I was picking the teams, goalie was the easiest because Beckwith blows everyone else away in every important category, even with a rough patch in the second half.

Since the teams are voted on by the 9 league coaches, they should have plenty of opportunities - both film and in person - to see how Jekyll and Hyde the Lakers defense can be. Also, it's not Beckwith's fault that he's in position almost always and doesn't need to make a flashy save once every 10 minutes.

I have to agree with you on Carr being chosen because he was a freshman - I really can't see any other reason. At the same time, Zachary Vit who was 4th in the league in scoring doesn't even get honorable mention. Given that he led the team in scoring as a freshman - a team that secured a bye after finishing 2nd in the conference - I'm shocked he didn't get some sort of recognition over some of the upperclassmen selected. Quite the double standard.

You bring up a good point about Hare and Jones as well, however the team's record in games Beckwith started as opposed to games he didn't should have shown how valuable he is. 18-1 with Beckwith, 4-2 without him. Hmmmmm.

What a bunch of bull.

 

[NUProf]

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-This post was made by the Prez on the First Lady's Mac...Didnt realize she was signed in.

Check the key chain next time...

Good choice of computers though...

 

[DIIIFan]

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I wasn't belitting them and I'm not calling myself a new-age Laker fan. I attended Oswego at the tail-end of the years where the team choked away in the playoffs (minus 2007). Now everyone expects Oswego to win every game by 4 goals and beating Plattsburgh lately is common rather than losing nearly every time. Oswego was something 1-10-1 against Plattsburgh while I was there.

My post is being misconstrued here.

Records are records and facts are facts. The records outside of the 80's were average to slightly above average until 2003 when they went to the title game.

And BTW- your elitist attitude because of your age over me is getting old. I'm not the one that took away the Great Laker nickname. Talk to the SID two people prior to the current one about that. He made it so NO media referred to the hockey team as the Great Lakers. I always have referred to them that way because that is what I grew up knowing them as in the days of Romney when I would make trips up for Elmira games every year.

If you want to call my attitude elitist because of my age so be it, but probably about 90 % of those on this site will have an elitist attitude too and I really don't care. Plus YOU will have that elitist attitude someday too. As for your rant about changing the team name I never mentioned that you had anything to do with that. Hopefully someday someone young will write something that is not that great about something that you thought was great in "your" time and you write back a reply. Maybe you will think of this and say maybe that SOB was little right. By the way kid for all the stuff you write here I do agree with most of it.
Oswego '89

 

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Rk Name GP W-L-T MIN GA SV SV% GAA
1 Paul Beckwith, Jr, Oswego 16 15-1-0 964:15 30 414 .932 1.8667
2 Mark Friesen, Fr, Fredonia 15 5-7-1 839:07 34 391 .920 2.4311
3 Cory Gershon, Jr, Geneseo 8 4-3-1 483:08 20 211 .913 2.4838
4 Kevin Carr, Fr, Buffalo State 16 8-5-3 974:29 42 534 .927 2.586


Read more: http://www.uscho.com/stats/#ixzz1Eo4oMgCQ

Carr over Beckwith - I don't get it....

Wow, I know nothing about Dlll hockey. I thought Beckwith woulda been a finalist for Dlll POTY, but apparently he isnt even the best goalie/player in his own conference.

 

[mdmadison]

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Wow, I know nothing about Dlll hockey. I thought Beckwith woulda been a finalist for Dlll POTY, but apparently he isnt even the best goalie/player in his own conference.

That's what the coaches seem to think.

 

[LakerEagleLover]

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Fredonia coming to the Campus Center Saturday night.... Plattsburgh headed to Genny

 

[93GreatLaker]

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Read more: http://www.uscho.com/stats/#ixzz1Eo4oMgCQ

Carr over Beckwith - I don't get it....

If you think about it more along the lines of individual coaches (the voters) it's not that much of a stretch. Carr had fantastic games this year against Morrisville, Potsdam, Geneseo, and Plattsburgh. More than likely all those coaches had him as the top goalie in the league. Gosek might have had Carr at the top as well (not sure if he can vote for his own players).

It's easy to overlook Beckwith because of the team's success. Hince was often cast in the same light. Carr had the benefit of quite a few nights where he saw 40 or so shots. I think he stopped over 50 one night against Potsdam. Beckwith will never have a night like that, not because he can't, but because the team rarely gives up more than 35 shots.

It's a shame really, I hope as a consolation prize he wins a SUNY Championship or better yet a National Title. I do think he still has a chance at first team All American in the East (different voters).

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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If you think about it more along the lines of individual coaches (the voters) it's not that much of a stretch. Carr had fantastic games this year against Morrisville, Potsdam, Geneseo, and Plattsburgh. More than likely all those coaches had him as the top goalie in the league. Gosek might have had Carr at the top as well (not sure if he can vote for his own players).

It's easy to overlook Beckwith because of the team's success. Hince was often cast in the same light. Carr had the benefit of quite a few nights where he saw 40 or so shots. I think he stopped over 50 one night against Potsdam. Beckwith will never have a night like that, not because he can't, but because the team rarely gives up more than 35 shots.

It's a shame really, I hope as a consolation prize he wins a SUNY Championship or better yet a National Title. I do think he still has a chance at first team All American in the East (different voters).

I could be wrong, but I seem to recall second team all-conference goalies are only eligible for second team all-american.

 

[93GreatLaker]

I could be wrong, but I seem to recall second team all-conference goalies are only eligible for second team all-american.

If true, that sucks.

 

[mdmadison]

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I could be wrong, but I seem to recall second team all-conference goalies are only eligible for second team all-american.

Sort of screws up your AA picks, eh Prez?

 

[Laker Ranger]

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Fredonia coming to the Campus Center Saturday night.... Plattsburgh headed to Genny

To which I would speculate that a recipe is in place for Geneseo to see the SUNYAC out as champs.

Oswego meets a Fredonia team that has scraped the bottom of the barrel for their playoff position. Respect for games against teams of "relatively inconsequential importance" lead to the recent loss against Morrisville. Meanwhile, Geneseo yawns, and hops onto home ice against a Plattsburgh team still sucking wind from a long bout with Morrisville. Oswego goes flat, Plattsburgh can't muster the strength, and the final becomes a battle between teams in blue sweaters.

Of course, if Oz just keeps riding that tidal wave of madness from last week, this is a moot point. It is also a moot point if Genny has simply coasted into the playoffs, and no longer possesses the juice to get by Plattsburgh's conditioning, which has taken a hit, but is still dangerous.

Those are my musings out of this Play-In Round. Ready to shout "OYE!" with everyone else come Saturday.

 

[LakerFan99]

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If you want to call my attitude elitist because of my age so be it, but probably about 90 % of those on this site will have an elitist attitude too and I really don't care. Plus YOU will have that elitist attitude someday too. As for your rant about changing the team name I never mentioned that you had anything to do with that. Hopefully someday someone young will write something that is not that great about something that you thought was great in "your" time and you write back a reply. Maybe you will think of this and say maybe that SOB was little right. By the way kid for all the stuff you write here I do agree with most of it.
Oswego '89

How about this? You're both experts. Now back to your corners.

Don't make me get the hose.

 

[LakerFan99]

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To which I would speculate that a recipe is in place for Geneseo to see the SUNYAC out as champs.

Oswego meets a Fredonia team that has scraped the bottom of the barrel for their playoff position. Respect for games against teams of "relatively inconsequential importance" lead to the recent loss against Morrisville. Meanwhile, Geneseo yawns, and hops onto home ice against a Plattsburgh team still sucking wind from a long bout with Morrisville. Oswego goes flat, Plattsburgh can't muster the strength, and the final becomes a battle between teams in blue sweaters.

Of course, if Oz just keeps riding that tidal wave of madness from last week, this is a moot point. It is also a moot point if Genny has simply coasted into the playoffs, and no longer possesses the juice to get by Plattsburgh's conditioning, which has taken a hit, but is still dangerous.

Those are my musings out of this Play-In Round. Ready to shout "OYE!" with everyone else come Saturday.

I'll agree with that...with one exception:

Fredonia comes to the Campus Center still sucking wind from their bout with Buff St. Oswego pulls out the win, paving the way to an epic rematch with Genny. That game certainly won't be the blowout it was last weekend, but I'm confident the Lakers will walk away with the second straight SUNYAC title!

 

[nysportsfan29]

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It's easy to overlook Beckwith because of the team's success. Hince was often cast in the same light. Carr had the benefit of quite a few nights where he saw 40 or so shots. I think he stopped over 50 one night against Potsdam. Beckwith will never have a night like that, not because he can't, but because the team rarely gives up more than 35 shots.

True. But Hince did win SUNYAC Player of the Year in '09... right before he turned "pro"

 

[mdmadison]

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I could be wrong, but I seem to recall second team all-conference goalies are only eligible for second team all-american.

Would that be a recent development because there are examples of players being 2nd team conference and 1st team All-American? If it just applies to goalies, any reason why? Is there a different selection group for All-American?

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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Would that be a recent development because there are examples of players being 2nd team conference and 1st team All-American? If it just applies to goalies, any reason why? Is there a different selection group for All-American?

Like I said, I could be wrong. But, I thought I remember this being the case. I'll try and find out more.

 

[Laker28]

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To which I would speculate that a recipe is in place for Geneseo to see the SUNYAC out as champs.

Oswego meets a Fredonia team that has scraped the bottom of the barrel for their playoff position. Respect for games against teams of "relatively inconsequential importance" lead to the recent loss against Morrisville. Meanwhile, Geneseo yawns, and hops onto home ice against a Plattsburgh team still sucking wind from a long bout with Morrisville. Oswego goes flat, Plattsburgh can't muster the strength, and the final becomes a battle between teams in blue sweaters.

Of course, if Oz just keeps riding that tidal wave of madness from last week, this is a moot point. It is also a moot point if Genny has simply coasted into the playoffs, and no longer possesses the juice to get by Plattsburgh's conditioning, which has taken a hit, but is still dangerous.

The fact that the Morrisville game meant nothing in the standings or NCAA purposes had more to do with Oswego losing than the fact that Morrisville is a so called lesser opponent. I think they will be ready for Fredonia, because they know Meredith will have his team ready to play and the last meeting between the two went into overtime. It is all on the line now and they just have a second or third gear that not many teams that aren't named Plattsburgh can match. The possibility is always there for Friesen to get hot and steal the show in which case a loss wouldn't be due to a lack of effort.

I have to question whether Geneseo will be mentally ready for a Plattsburgh team that has made 20 or so straight trips to the SUNYAC finals especially after the shellacking they took against Oswego. They totally fell apart under the Oswego onslaught and Rubeniuk tried to pull himself after the last goal and they left him in. To me they looked physically and emotionally shot after that game and while a week is plenty of time to rest physically it is also plenty of time dig a deeper hole mentally. Plattsburgh knows how to win in the playoffs and are coming off a huge win while Genny's last action was giving up six goals in one period, I would have to tip the odds in Platty's favor.

On paper it looks like another Oswego/Plattsburgh final, but as they say they don't play the games on paper.