Re: Olympic women's hockey
Just wait until the off season. This is arguing and bickering pre-season. And it's barely started!
Just wait until the off season. This is arguing and bickering pre-season. And it's barely started!
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Olympic women's hockey
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Russell Jaslow
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Re: Olympic women's hockey
Which is one of the reasons the NHL didn't want to bother...
Miracles imply upsets. USA was the favorites going in.
Which is one of the reasons the NHL didn't want to bother...
Miracles imply upsets. USA was the favorites going in.
But they'll probably bother for Beijing. Money counts.
Russell Jaslow
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I said one of the reasons. And I was the one who told you why they will probably consider Beijing.
I said one of the reasons. And I was the one who told you why they will probably consider Beijing.
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I will disagree without benefit of my crystal ball, based on my experience in the last 24 hours in my real world environment. The USA win has been on our local (and pretty much the only) news station not just during Sports, but as a lead. Hillary Knight lived in NH for about 4 minutes, and they are showing clips of her goal, while touting her NH roots. Then on to Kacey Bellamy, who played her college hockey in NH, and show the clip where the medal is placed on her neck.
My boss watched the rebroadcast (he's a very, very lukewarm hockey fan), and sought me out to tell me it was the best game he's ever seen, and that even knowing the result beforehand, was on the edge of his seat. The '98 game was on at a very inconvenient time too, and was broadcast as a part of, and during the Today show, while a lot of adults were at work, and kids in school.
I had a dentist appointment yesterday, and the rebroadcast was on in the waiting area. Word gets out, and winning the way they did, and with that flashy move and save to end the game and provide the highlight reel victory echoes.
I will disagree without benefit of my crystal ball, based on my experience in the last 24 hours in my real world environment. The USA win has been on our local (and pretty much the only) news station not just during Sports, but as a lead. Hillary Knight lived in NH for about 4 minutes, and they are showing clips of her goal, while touting her NH roots. Then on to Kacey Bellamy, who played her college hockey in NH, and show the clip where the medal is placed on her neck.
My boss watched the rebroadcast (he's a very, very lukewarm hockey fan), and sought me out to tell me it was the best game he's ever seen, and that even knowing the result beforehand, was on the edge of his seat. The '98 game was on at a very inconvenient time too, and was broadcast as a part of, and during the Today show, while a lot of adults were at work, and kids in school.
I had a dentist appointment yesterday, and the rebroadcast was on in the waiting area. Word gets out, and winning the way they did, and with that flashy move and save to end the game and provide the highlight reel victory echoes.
This makes me so happy. Bring on the bump. Maybe I am saying this bc it’s what I want to see but I think there will be a bump. My husband told me even his football talk radio was talking about it yesterday. USA Hockey needs to fulfill their end of the bargain now, and help market the women’s game.
Leading up to the Olympics the media darlings were Nathan Chen, Lyndsey Vonn & Shaun White. Only White delivered gold. Chen was a bust and you almost felt sorry for Vonn, a once dominant force who stayed at the dance too long. The new media darlings are teenage snowboarders and-surprise!- women’s hockey players! If Chen, Vonn and any women figure skaters had won gold I think they would’ve stolen the spotlight away from hockey. Fortunately the American women delivered in dramatic fashion and provided the best American moment of the Olympics that otherwise lacked drama. Well done, ladies!
Russell Jaslow
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Umm, did you forget about Chloe Kim? You couldn't close your eyes for two minutes without hearing her name for weeks leading up to the Olympics. And she delivered! Big time.
Umm, did you forget about Chloe Kim? You couldn't close your eyes for two minutes without hearing her name for weeks leading up to the Olympics. And she delivered! Big time.
Yes- she’s one of the teenage snowboarders I was referring to. She had a great Olympics for sure.
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Was immediately thinking the same. Glad to see her live up to all the hype.
Russell Jaslow
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The point is, she was hyped up big time before the Olympics. Otherwise, I agree with your pre-Olympics hype list, but Kim needed to be added to that. And maybe Shiffrin.
The point is, she was hyped up big time before the Olympics. Otherwise, I agree with your pre-Olympics hype list, but Kim needed to be added to that. And maybe Shiffrin.
Right. So I think everyone agrees that along with White, Kim & Shiffrin, the USA v Canada game was one of the few things that lived up to the media hype. If the women’s team become media darlings because of that then great- well deserved! Just pointing out that it was one of the great moments of these Olympics that didn’t have a ton of great American moments. Not when we’ve come to expect Michael Phelps & women’s gymnastics-type stories at every Olympics. Whether there’s a bump for women’s hockey down the road, only time will tell. Here’s hoping!
Russell Jaslow
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Yes. Your main point was a good one. I was just being picky for accuracy sake.
Had an American figure skater, especially a woman, wowed the Games, it would have overshadowed some of the women's hockey success. As would have Vonn.
BTW, looking back at the 1980 Winter Olympics, from an American perspective, it was a huge bust (even considering we weren't as strong in winter sports back then). Especially considering the home country usually gets a boost. USA won only six gold medals, and only two entities won them -- Eric Heiden took five golds and of course the men's hockey team.
But because Heiden won all the speed skating events (a Phelps type performance, or back in those days, it would have been considered a Spitz like performance) which is a huge story and of course the Miracle on Ice story, we think those Olympics were a great American success. However, considering the hype surrounding other American athletes, Heiden was the only one who lived up to that hype. Phil Mahre was a disappointment. Linda Fratianne only managed a silver. And the biggest disappointment was the withdrawal of the Tai Babilonia and Randy Gardner pairs team, who were considered locks, due to injury.
Yes. Your main point was a good one. I was just being picky for accuracy sake.
Had an American figure skater, especially a woman, wowed the Games, it would have overshadowed some of the women's hockey success. As would have Vonn.BTW, looking back at the 1980 Winter Olympics, from an American perspective, it was a huge bust (even considering we weren't as strong in winter sports back then). Especially considering the home country usually gets a boost. USA won only six gold medals, and only two entities won them -- Eric Heiden took five golds and of course the men's hockey team.
But because Heiden won all the speed skating events (a Phelps type performance, or back in those days, it would have been considered a Spitz like performance) which is a huge story and of course the Miracle on Ice story, we think those Olympics were a great American success. However, considering the hype surrounding other American athletes, Heiden was the only one who lived up to that hype. Phil Mahre was a disappointment. Linda Fratianne only managed a silver. And the biggest disappointment was the withdrawal of the Tai Babilonia and Randy Gardner pairs team, who were considered locks, due to injury.
thirdtime's . . .
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[ARM, you are characterized by restraint and judgement. My impatience led to an ill-advised post. Chalk it up to excitement and extreme fatigue in the afterglow of the game. I have now had a good night's sleep.
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With all due respect, you got more than this. Wanna weigh in on this game?
[ARM, you are characterized by restraint and judgement. My impatience led to an ill-advised post. Chalk it up to excitement and extreme fatigue in the afterglow of the game. I have now had a good night's sleep.
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thirdtime's . . .
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The American Olympic audience as a whole is involuntarily subjected to what is for many the manufactured excitement of skeleton, curling and short track pushing, etc. These no doubt have their fans, but if the (miraculous) game of women’s hockey were what happened to be readily available for passive consumption the excitement would be real and most welcome, I imagine, bump or no bump. There certainly would be more buzz, given what even this inaccessible game seemed to produce.
The American Olympic audience as a whole is involuntarily subjected to what is for many the manufactured excitement of skeleton, curling and short track pushing, etc. These no doubt have their fans, but if the (miraculous) game of women’s hockey were what happened to be readily available for passive consumption the excitement would be real and most welcome, I imagine, bump or no bump. There certainly would be more buzz, given what even this inaccessible game seemed to produce.
TonyTheTiger20
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Well that's classy[ARM, you are characterized by restraint and judgement. My impatience led to an ill-advised post. Chalk it up to excitement and extreme fatigue in the afterglow of the game. I have now had a good night's sleep.
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In addition to those two, what I remember most is Phil Mahre getting a silver in the slalom. The U.S. didn't win ski racing medals at the time. It was pretty huge actually, and sort of led to the success in 1984.
Yes. Your main point was a good one. I was just being picky for accuracy sake.
BTW, looking back at the 1980 Winter Olympics, from an American perspective, it was a huge bust (even considering we weren't as strong in winter sports back then). Especially considering the home country usually gets a boost. USA won only six gold medals, and only two entities won them -- Eric Heiden took five golds and of course the men's hockey team.
But because Heiden won all the speed skating events (a Phelps type performance, or back in those days, it would have been considered a Spitz like performance) which is a huge story and of course the Miracle on Ice story, we think those Olympics were a great American success. However, considering the hype surrounding other American athletes, Heiden was the only one who lived up to that hype. Phil Mahre was a disappointment. Linda Fratianne only managed a silver. And the biggest disappointment was the withdrawal of the Tai Babilonia and Randy Gardner pairs team, who were considered locks, due to injury.
In addition to those two, what I remember most is Phil Mahre getting a silver in the slalom. The U.S. didn't win ski racing medals at the time. It was pretty huge actually, and sort of led to the success in 1984.
Russell Jaslow
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Short track is fantastic. There's nothing manufactured about it.
And curling is fun, too. And I like all the sliding sports. But, that's me.
Short track is fantastic. There's nothing manufactured about it.
And curling is fun, too. And I like all the sliding sports. But, that's me.
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If you're serious about getting the Lam's pictures up at Ridder, I'll help! Are you at games this weekend? Where to begin needs to be figured out, and we need to find out if J+M would even back the idea. Is there a way to IM each other info without everyone else seeing our info?
If you're serious about getting the Lam's pictures up at Ridder, I'll help! Are you at games this weekend? Where to begin needs to be figured out, and we need to find out if J+M would even back the idea. Is there a way to IM each other info without everyone else seeing our info?
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I watched the replay last night and so many little things stood out that I missed the first time. Like Keller racing down ice to prevent an icing that would have given Canada another offensive zone face-off with tired players, Pacquette failing to keep the puck in the USA zone off the draw on their end of regulation PP, Rebecca Johnston on the same PP parked right where Poulin scored in Sochi only Johnston's attempt missed the net and Maddie Rooney making a small adjustment in her stance for Agosta's second shootout attempt where she dared her to shoot glove side. Agosta took the bait and tried to go backhand as Rooney stuffed her. Small moments but they add up to one great game. I will say that not enough has been made of Kessel's shootout goal. How many times do you see one team score in the shootout only to have the other team stoned on their next attempt? Kessel deserves a ton of credit for the weight of the US was on her shoulders. Immense pressure.
I watched the replay last night and so many little things stood out that I missed the first time. Like Keller racing down ice to prevent an icing that would have given Canada another offensive zone face-off with tired players, Pacquette failing to keep the puck in the USA zone off the draw on their end of regulation PP, Rebecca Johnston on the same PP parked right where Poulin scored in Sochi only Johnston's attempt missed the net and Maddie Rooney making a small adjustment in her stance for Agosta's second shootout attempt where she dared her to shoot glove side. Agosta took the bait and tried to go backhand as Rooney stuffed her. Small moments but they add up to one great game. I will say that not enough has been made of Kessel's shootout goal. How many times do you see one team score in the shootout only to have the other team stoned on their next attempt? Kessel deserves a ton of credit for the weight of the US was on her shoulders. Immense pressure.