Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

[redhawkman10]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

John has aways been irrational on who gets put in his doghouse and what for. Disappointment at being made healthy scratches eventually turns into anger and resentment towards said head coach as these kids can't rationalize it any more than we can. The group of freshmen who came in right after the championship such as Fritsche, Maiani, DeSantis, to name a few came in here and played hard and passionate the first season but by the time they were seniors some were gone and the rest bitter and hostile towards John. I can't say how they dealt with John to his face but off the ice they were very vocal against John. His senior year Fritche was complaining openly that when he came here he knew how to play hockey and what was being shoved down his throat here is crap. Cory Elkins' mother would say "If we knew then what we know now, we never would have come here!" These things and other issues haven't been secrets and have been getting back to kids playing in the juniors so there's one reason that recruiting isn't what it should be here as each new group of kids that come here eventually have similar complaints.

well there is a little more to the recruiting thing than just what you said, but you have hit on a little bit of it and it certaintly doesnt help the fact that guys don't really like Markell. There is also something to be said for the fact that men's hockey at tOSU is 3rd or even 4th on the depth chart their and some of the top prospects want to go to a school where hockey is top dog.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

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well there is a little more to the recruiting thing than just what you said, but you have hit on a little bit of it and it certaintly doesnt help the fact that guys don't really like Markell. There is also something to be said for the fact that men's hockey at tOSU is 3rd or even 4th on the depth chart their and some of the top prospects want to go to a school where hockey is top dog.

Naturally, but this is just a couple of pieces to the puzzle of things wrong here. My fingers would go numb typing out the big picture all at once. I will give Miami credit on where their priorities are in the sport. Plus a new facility, solid coach, beautiful campus, and a diploma that's one of the top ones in the state for those players who may have to fall back on their education instead of hockey.

 

[Twisted Wrister]

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There is also something to be said for the fact that men's hockey at tOSU is 3rd or even 4th on the depth chart their and some of the top prospects want to go to a school where hockey is top dog.

So bring in Jones to coach and in 3 or 4 years when things don't work out, because hockey would remain 3rd or 4th(maybe 5th) on the depth chart you then bring in Hastings and hockey will still remain down the depth chart. I bet if Markell was Kept and Blais would be brought in as AD things would get better. Anyone remember the last time OSU went to the Joe and Gene Smith sat in the stands and read the newspaper pretty much the entire game.

 

[Twisted Wrister]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

A rival web site to this one has some interesting stuff.....

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2010/02/22_western.php

All would be fine coaches for Western, only two or three for OSU. Two of the best were not even mentioned.
Why isn't Umberger on the US Olympic team. Nice run by that bunch, but their first two games showed they could use an RJ type.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

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Why isn't Umberger on the US Olympic team. Nice run by that bunch, but their first two games showed they could use an RJ type.

Hard to say why RJ was not picked not knowing exactly the thoughts and criteria of those who picked the team. There is a lot of talent out there and I tend to look at it the way Jim Tressel did a number of years ago when asked why some talented Ohio players were going to Michigan and not OSU. He said there's only so many spots open and you can't take them all.

 

[redhawkman10]

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All would be fine coaches for Western, only two or three for OSU. Two of the best were not even mentioned.
Why isn't Umberger on the US Olympic team. Nice run by that bunch, but their first two games showed they could use an RJ type.

He doesn't fit their system, he isn't the quickest player and they are built on speed and puck movement. He is more of a power forward and that isn't the US style.

 

[redhawkman10]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

So bring in Jones to coach and in 3 or 4 years when things don't work out, because hockey would remain 3rd or 4th(maybe 5th) on the depth chart you then bring in Hastings and hockey will still remain down the depth chart. I bet if Markell was Kept and Blais would be brought in as AD things would get better. Anyone remember the last time OSU went to the Joe and Gene Smith sat in the stands and read the newspaper pretty much the entire game.

You are right it doesn't matter what coach they bring in the hockey program is always going to be second tier. Which is why they have to get a coach that can recruit the right player and not necessarily the best player. You got to get guys that will play hard and play a system together. Doesn't look like neither of those things are happening right now under markell.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

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You are right it doesn't matter what coach they bring in the hockey program is always going to be second tier. Which is why they have to get a coach that can recruit the right player and not necessarily the best player. You got to get guys that will play hard and play a system together. Doesn't look like neither of those things are happening right now under markell.

Yes it will never escape the shadow of football and basketball here and the coach can't change that but the right coach will make the program successful on it's own merits. He needs to be a great recruiter, instructor, mentor, and they kind of guy a player will always go all out for because of the admiration and respect they hold for him. Combine that and the kind of winning that Enrico had the past 5 seasons and the Schott will have 6000+ at the games. Plus a strong OSU team would make for a great in state rivalry with that Oxford bunch comparable to the Michigan - Michigan State hockey rivalry up north. Right now it's a little lopsided like when Cooper was trying to beat Michigan in football.

 

[redhawkman10]

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Yes it will never escape the shadow of football and basketball here and the coach can't change that but the right coach will make the program successful on it's own merits. He needs to be a great recruiter, instructor, mentor, and they kind of guy a player will always go all out for because of the admiration and respect they hold for him. Combine that and the kind of winning that Enrico had the past 5 seasons and the Schott will have 6000+ at the games. Plus a strong OSU team would make for a great in state rivalry with that Oxford bunch comparable to the Michigan - Michigan State hockey rivalry up north. Right now it's a little lopsided like when Cooper was trying to beat Michigan in football.

I agree, the culture needs to be changed. But with all of that the administration needs to make a bigger commitment to the program for it to move forward no matter who the coach is.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

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I agree, the culture needs to be changed. But with all of that the administration needs to make a bigger commitment to the program for it to move forward no matter who the coach is.

Agreed as well but with Ohio's only NHL city you would assume that there should be enough hockey fans here to support the only D-1 program in town in significant numers. I wonder how much correspondence the AD here receives about the hockey team? I know some people support Markell but I'm certain they are quite the minority.

 

[osualum86]

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well there is a little more to the recruiting thing than just what you said, but you have hit on a little bit of it and it certaintly doesnt help the fact that guys don't really like Markell. There is also something to be said for the fact that men's hockey at tOSU is 3rd or even 4th on the depth chart their and some of the top prospects want to go to a school where hockey is top dog.

I don't necessarily buy into this because hockey is not the top dog at Michigan State or Michigan or even Notre Dame, and those programs have all been highly successful. For example, you're not going to tell me hockey is the top dog at MSU over men's basketball, or the top dog at Michigan or Notre Dame over football. I don't think hockey has to be the top dog at Ohio State to be successful. I definitely agree with you that the athletic administration needs to make more of a committment to hockey, and I have heard from a few people that a study is being done on the possibility of building a new hockey-only facility. I've never had a problem with the Schott as a hockey venue, but at the same time, it would be great to have a hockey-only venue that didn't have to be shared with a bunch of other sports/events.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

Michigan's hockey program has over a hundred years of history behind it and they are quite proud of it plus Michigan has always been more of a hockey state than Ohio, being able to grow up skating and playing on the thousands of lakes and ponds that dot the state where in central Ohio safe winter ice is a fickle and fleeting thing. It hasn't been really problematic sharing the facility with the basketball teams as it's been for the contracts they have with the OHSAA forcing the team off their ice at playoff time so a high school event can be given priority simply because it's more profitable. It's rather like Harry Potter being the unwelcome relative, forced to live under the stairwell because he's not allowed the privilege of being in the nice part of the home.

 

[redhawkman10]

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I don't necessarily buy into this because hockey is not the top dog at Michigan State or Michigan or even Notre Dame, and those programs have all been highly successful. For example, you're not going to tell me hockey is the top dog at MSU over men's basketball, or the top dog at Michigan or Notre Dame over football. I don't think hockey has to be the top dog at Ohio State to be successful. I definitely agree with you that the athletic administration needs to make more of a committment to hockey, and I have heard from a few people that a study is being done on the possibility of building a new hockey-only facility. I've never had a problem with the Schott as a hockey venue, but at the same time, it would be great to have a hockey-only venue that didn't have to be shared with a bunch of other sports/events.

your right it isn't top dawg at the schools you mentioned but it is higher on the list than tOSU's is. But the athletic departments at those schools have dedicated a lot of resources to their individual programs, more so than what tOSU has. MSU and mich have been doing it a lot longer and have storied traditions more than tosu has and Notre Dames athletic department has really committed to the program. I think that is the main difference right now.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

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One of the advantages of being semi-retired is having time to kill so I went to the Schott earlier to hear from people I know there what the latest scuttlebutt is. What I heard is the same that I heard at the last women's hockey game and that Markell has been talking with Bowling Green a lot and that's where he may be heading, back to his alma matter. They're also still talking about OSU looking into the feasibility of building a hockey-only facility with about half the seating capacity of the Schott but that story has been out there awhile.

 

[redhawkman10]

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One of the advantages of being semi-retired is having time to kill so I went to the Schott earlier to hear from people I know there what the latest scuttlebutt is. What I heard is the same that I heard at the last women's hockey game and that Markell has been talking with Bowling Green a lot and that's where he may be heading, back to his alma matter. They're also still talking about OSU looking into the feasibility of building a hockey-only facility with about half the seating capacity of the Schott but that story has been out there awhile.

Wouldn't be a bad move for markell, going to a program where there isn't as much pressure and he can get it to the top program at the university. I also think a 9k seat arena for osu hockey might be a little much. I think 6-7 k with the ability to add on would be max I would go. Its better to be full and have more wanting to get in than build big and have empty seats every night.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

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Wouldn't be a bad move for markell, going to a program where there isn't as much pressure and he can get it to the top program at the university. I also think a 9k seat arena for osu hockey might be a little much. I think 6-7 k with the ability to add on would be max I would go. Its better to be full and have more wanting to get in than build big and have empty seats every night.

I was hearing anywhere from 6-8K but it's all speculation. I said half as a generalization only. Those higher up in the athletic department may know more specifics.

 

[redhawkman10]

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I was hearing anywhere from 6-8K but it's all speculation. I said half as a generalization only. Those higher up in the athletic department may know more specifics.

that would be solid, one thing they do need to work on is figuring out a way to get better student support and a building where you can hear them consistantly. Anyone who has been to goggin knows the students are heard lol.

 

[klbaum1077]

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that would be solid, one thing they do need to work on is figuring out a way to get better student support and a building where you can hear them consistantly. Anyone who has been to goggin knows the students are heard lol.

Ive been there once and the students are nuts there. I really like what they did there. That place is perfect for the university and look what the team has done since the building got built.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

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Yost is usually full and loud as well.

 

[klbaum1077]

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Yost is usually full and loud as well.

Been there many times to see ohio state play its only 45 minutes from my house here in toledo. I shouldnt admit this but yost is my favorite road venue to go to. I know the fans are not nice but the atmoshpere up there is great.