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Official 2011 Miami Offseason Thread: Hawkheads face left and no scalping allowed!

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mcfarljd said:
Looks like we have six teams now. Official conference expected soon to announce. Cc denver umd uno nodak miami. Possibly notre and an 8th team too
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Terrible day for college hockey as a whole.

I think we are making the best choice given our options, just too unlikely ND was going remain in the CCHA. I'm glad BB didn't take the wait and see approach most people (read MHT) were hypothesizing. Still not sure why UND and DU panicked and initiated this, but I guess we should just be glad we've played ourselves into the right side of the equation. Unless of course we are sitting here five years from now with 1 tournament appearance to our name, in that case staying in the CCHA was clearly the path all along, **** you Brad Bates, **** you.
 
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mcfarljd said:
Exactly. There aren't many of us miami people on here but nearly all of which followed the team well back in the old goggin days
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Well to be fair, 10 years ago I was a preteen living in metro-Detroit and the only time I had ever heard of Miami was the Wally SI cover when my father had to explain to me why he wasn't wearing orange and green.

<img src ="http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1999/0322_large.jpg"/>

Ahhh the memories.
 
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MUhawks628 said:
Not really sure why you will insinuate that any Miami poster is not well aware of that fact...
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Didn't mean to insinuate that at all. But the Miami staff in Oxford sure jumped on UND and DU panicing pretty quickly, and it is those folks who appear to have the short memory. And while many may not pst anything here, I'm sure many of those same will be happy with this move. Personally I've lost alot of respect for Miami.
 
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fangers said:
Didn't mean to insinuate that at all. But the Miami staff in Oxford sure jumped on UND and DU panicing pretty quickly, and it is those folks who appear to have the short memory. And while many may not pst anything here, I'm sure many of those same will be happy with this move. Personally I've lost alot of respect for Miami.
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First, I am saddened by the whole sequence that got rolling when the Penn State situation became finalized (long before the PSU announcement). We are losing, and will lose in the next ten years, a lot of what makes college hockey so interesting and fun. I think all of us, or certainly almost all of us, would prefer a status quo CCHA (with the addition of UAH :)). And all of us here realize that if this were 20 years ago, it would probably be Lake and BG instead of Miami and possibly ND.

But, I'm not sure what you would expect Miami (or the staff) to do in this situation. We have things floated like Miami and Notre Dame going east as well as this other new league. The fact is that as much as almost all of us want things to stay the same, given the reality of the BTHC, the big variable, IMO, is what Notre Dame does or wants to do. If the choices are: stay in the CCHA with no Notre Dame or go (with Notre Dame and possibly WMU) to the new league as described, what would you have Miami do? Miami has invested a lot in hockey, quite a bit more than most of the schools left in the CCHA. I don't know what you mean by "the Miami staff in Oxford sure jumped on UND and DU panicing pretty quickly." If Miami said to the group proposing this that Miami was not interested or Miami will wait and then the opportunity went away while Notre Dame and WMU went to a new league, I think the "staff" (I assume that includes the AD) would have been pilloried for not pursuing the opportunity, staying ahead of things, looking at the financials, and doing what they think is best for Miami. And if Miami was part of the original group proposing this, I believe Miami has an oblgation to look at their options, and do it now while they can. By the way, I will really be saddened if Notre Dame goes to Hockey East. If Miami has to do this, going with five distant WCHA teams and no ND and Western is not appealing to me at all.

As someone who was around when the old Goggin was still new, I also think Miami (and Notre Dame) have invested in their programs and earned some opporuntity when the landscape is dramatically shifting the way it is right now. And remember, Miami and Notre Dame had nothing to do with the landscape shifting. One could argue that Miami is lucky this happened while they are relatively strong, but, as you know, luck is the residue of preparation. But, having said all that, I do think it is a rather sad day for college hockey, and it will be tough competing in that new league should Miami end up there. I guess I do not handle change very well.
 
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redeagle said:
First, I am saddened by the whole sequence that got rolling when the Penn State situation became finalized (long before the PSU announcement). We are losing, and will lose in the next ten years, a lot of what makes college hockey so interesting and fun. I think all of us, or certainly almost all of us, would prefer a status quo CCHA (with the addition of UAH :)). And all of us here realize that if this were 20 years ago, it would probably be Lake and BG instead of Miami and possibly ND.

But, I'm not sure what you would expect Miami (or the staff) to do in this situation. We have things floated like Miami and Notre Dame going east as well as this other new league. The fact is that as much as almost all of us want things to stay the same, given the reality of the BTHC, the big variable, IMO, is what Notre Dame does or wants to do. If the choices are: stay in the CCHA with no Notre Dame or go (with Notre Dame and possibly WMU) to the new league as described, what would you have Miami do? Miami has invested a lot in hockey, quite a bit more than most of the schools left in the CCHA. I don't know what you mean by "the Miami staff in Oxford sure jumped on UND and DU panicing pretty quickly." If Miami said to the group proposing this that Miami was not interested or Miami will wait and then the opportunity went away while Notre Dame and WMU went to a new league, I think the "staff" (I assume that includes the AD) would have been pilloried for not pursuing the opportunity, staying ahead of things, looking at the financials, and doing what they think is best for Miami. And if Miami was part of the original group proposing this, I believe Miami has an oblgation to look at their options, and do it now while they can. By the way, I will really be saddened if Notre Dame goes to Hockey East. If Miami has to do this, going with five distant WCHA teams and no ND and Western is not appealing to me at all.

As someone who was around when the old Goggin was still new, I also think Miami (and Notre Dame) have invested in their programs and earned some opporuntity when the landscape is dramatically shifting the way it is right now. And remember, Miami and Notre Dame had nothing to do with the landscape shifting. One could argue that Miami is lucky this happened while they are relatively strong, but, as you know, luck is the residue of preparation. But, having said all that, I do think it is a rather sad day for college hockey, and it will be tough competing in that new league should Miami end up there. I guess I do not handle change very well.
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Well said, sir.

If they had not acted, and the opportunities dried up, they would have been skewered, particularly by Hodge.
 
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Ever since the rumors of the Big 10 league started, I have (along with many others) felt that the aftershocks in the college hockey landscape would not be pleasant. I think that everyone on this page and all the others realizes that new alliances and rivalries must be forged. I won't speak for all Miami fans, but I feel safe in stating that we will dearly miss the annual meetings with Michigan, Michigan State, and Ohio State. They are fantastic rivalries that displayed passion, grit, and (more often than not) had a little sauce thrown in for good measure. They were truly something to watch....but enough of the rehashing.

The fabric of power in college hockey is regional - in fact all of college sports. Regions within a sports community are dominated by a single power conference. Overlapping territory simply doesn't happen in college athletics. There may be multiple conferences within a region, but one will always take the lead in recruiting, money, fan base, etc. Up until now, the Midwest was dominated by the CCHA (obviously). However, now that the Big 10 has arrived, it will assume that mantel. This isn't because their teams or, perhaps more importantly, programs are all better than those left in the CCHA. This is a dollars and cents issue. The amount of money in the Big 10 conference dwarfs that of the CCHA (remnants). In order to survive, Miami must move.

The question is: west or east? Both directions have positives. Both regions have more than enough powerhouses to team up with Miami and any other teams that would like to go in that direction. I have to admit that I was hoping that they would turn east. It was greedy of me - I know. But I would have been able to sneak up to Boston or Vermont to see some games a lot easier than going out west. According to Google, the drive from DC to Deluthe is really really long! But to my point - the only thing that would ensure the slow demise of the Miami program would be staying in a second-tier conference. It wouldn't happen instantly, but eventually it would become BGSU-2.0.

The task laid before the Miami Athletic Department was plate rife with difficulties. Be honest with yourselves. It doesn't matter what decision is made - it's going to be difficult to swallow. We are going to simply have to adapt.
 
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Personally, looking at the teams involved in this new "super conference" , I have to admit that I'm a little excited about it. Yeah we all hate change, and we can bit...um...complain about it, but unless we are in a position to DO something about it, we must accept it. Like it or not. (BTW, the BTHC started all this crap, so let's not forget it) Just the way it is. Anyway, what are they going to call this conference? Any Guesses?
 
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Would it be too much to call it the 'Bah, Humbug! Hockey Conference'???
 
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I just posted over on the WMU coaching thread in response to something someone said over there. It got me thinking (uh oh). I think I have the best outcome from all of this (therefore it will never happens :)). Notre Dame and Western come into the new league. The new league has two division: "west" consisting of UMD, DU, CC, UND, and "central" consisting of ND, WMU, UNO, and Miami. You play your division four times and the other division twice. Total of 20 gmes. If Notre Dame's hangup is too many league games (I guess they do not want to play 28), this setup solves that problem, and keeps down travel cost. It also allows room for some attractivve non-league matchups because the Big 10 will be looking for good non-league games also because of their own 20 game schedule. ND gets to have plenty of room for BC, BU, PU as well as UM, MSU, etc. Think of the television possibilities/matchups for the BTN and whoever the new league signs with. Playoffs would be 1x4/4X1, 2x3/3x2 etc. crossovers. Four winners to some location for the league final four. I'll be commissioner. :) Thoughts?
 
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redeagle said:
I just posted over on the WMU coaching thread in response to something someone said over there. It got me thinking (uh oh). I think I have the best outcome from all of this (therefore it will never happens :)). Notre Dame and Western come into the new league. The new league has two division: "west" consisting of UMD, DU, CC, UND, and "central" consisting of ND, WMU, UNO, and Miami. You play your division four times and the other division twice. Total of 20 gmes. If Notre Dame's hangup is too many league games (I guess they do not want to play 28), this setup solves that problem, and keeps down travel cost. It also allows room for some attractivve non-league matchups because the Big 10 will be looking for good non-league games also because of their own 20 game schedule. ND gets to have plenty of room for BC, BU, PU as well as UM, MSU, etc. Think of the television possibilities/matchups for the BTN and whoever the new league signs with. Playoffs would be 1x4/4X1, 2x3/3x2 etc. crossovers. Four winners to some location for the league final four. I'll be commissioner. :) Thoughts?
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Yep. And I understand why the members acted now. They wanted six committed schools, invited UMD at 11th hour when it was clear Notre Dame wasn't ready to accept. So, as usual, it's all up to Notre Dame. I'd like to hear what questions the AD's are asked about where they stand in the process with them at tomorrow's presser. If Notre Dame goes east, or does their own thing, then I think WMU is screwed.

That said, this mythical "Miami is trying to keep WMU out" thing is all conjecture and speculation. But, I know this, it doesn't make sense, nor hold water in my book.
 
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MUrunner said:
The Coyotes sat down with Miele and Murphy during Prospects camp:

http://video.coyotes.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=-6&id=120450

http://video.coyotes.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=-6&id=120404
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Interviewer: Reflect, if you would, on your senior season at the University of Miami...

Maybe they put up some random pictures of Miele at that point to hide an obvious look of resentment :rolleyes:
 
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fellowes said:
Interviewer: Reflect, if you would, on your senior season at the University of Miami...

Maybe they put up some random pictures of Miele at that point to hide an obvious look of resentment :rolleyes:
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Miele: "Well there was this one time against NMU that I knocked a guy out cold...I'm thinking of a repeat performance...start running"
 
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Some nice Miami highlights on the ESPYs last night. The red block M and Miami had some good air time with Miele highlights. They showed Miele in the audience. Nice company with Cam Newton, Kemba Walker, and Jimmer Freddette (sp?). Still a little hard for me to believe.
 
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redeagle said:
Some nice Miami highlights on the ESPYs last night. The red block M and Miami had some good air time with Miele highlights. They showed Miele in the audience. Nice company with Cam Newton, Kemba Walker, and Jimmer Freddette (sp?). Still a little hard for me to believe.
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Was upset I missed it (in a new apartment with cable/internet pending), but I half expected ESPN to pull the footage from Andy's youtube video again like they did for the Hobey show. I'm hoping that wasn't the case, the 600x400 resoultion looked so great blown up the first time :rolleyes:
 
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