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[Rover]

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Are you willing to have a tax increase on your personal income to 50-55% to pay for this?

I'm not willing to pay for this. That is what this is all about for me personally. I don't want to have my income taxed a further 17 to 24% to pay for YOUR personal preference of having government run our health care.

Well, since no one is proposing a tax increase to 50-55% of personal income, I assume then you support the health care bill? No non-knuckledragger estimate of the bill even comes close to this, and I'll ask that you kindly supply a source for this misinformation.

If I choose to not purchase insurace the gov't doesn't have a right to fine me......

If I choose to purchase insurance I want my choices, and I prefer them privately held companies. If you want gov't to spoon feed you, then take it. Why force it on those who don't want it?

Ummm...yes they do sparky. Just like they have the right to levy a tax on you. You don't have the Constitutional right to be irresponsible (as in no insurance that you can afford to have) and then stick the rest of us with the bill when you get sick. You're more than welcome to move to China or somewhere else if you don't like American laws.

If you want to get your insurance through a privately held companies, go for it. Nobody's stopping you. How does this law change that?

Moving on...

Plante, you seem to be upset that Obama can't wave a magic wand. What did he promise vs how much did he deliver? Health care reform - at the goal line. Gitmo - in the process of being emptied. Iraq - pulling out troops now, will continue to do so throughout year. Afghanistan - promised to refocus efforts there, has approved 30K extra troops. Stimulus plan - passed and saving 1M+ jobs by independent estimate.

MinnFan,

My problem isn't that the plan will reduce the deficit. My problem is 1) getting you to agree that you were wrong, and 2) getting you to pay up. As a "wager" if this sort can't be legally binding (are we going to show up at a lawyer's office somewhere in between the 1000 mile distance from my residence to your mom's house to sign the documents ) I'd have to rely on you, 10 years from now, to fork over the cash. Look, no offense, I just don't trust you on either point, so why should I waste my time? If it makes you feel better, why don't you save this thread somewhere, and if we're all still around 10 years from now you can bring it back up?

 

[MinnFan]

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MinnFan,

My problem isn't that the plan will reduce the deficit. My problem is 1) getting you to agree that you were wrong, and 2) getting you to pay up. As a "wager" if this sort can't be legally binding (are we going to show up at a lawyer's office somewhere in between the 1000 mile distance from my residence to your mom's house to sign the documents ) I'd have to rely on you, 10 years from now, to fork over the cash. Look, no offense, I just don't trust you on either point, so why should I waste my time? If it makes you feel better, why don't you save this thread somewhere, and if we're all still around 10 years from now you can bring it back up?

Chickensh*t

Hell, if you really want we could put the money in an escrow account today. I can have it in there tomorrow. The problem with you is you want to pick out one point and beat it into the ground and use it as if it refutes all other issues out there. If you feel so strongly about your one point on this subject because you can't refute any of the other points made about this bill I'm simply asking you to back it up.

Deep down you know there is no way this will ever reduce the deficit and I understand how you aren't man enough to use a bit of logic and admit that instead of towing the party-line. We've come to expect that from you.

 

[jerphisch]

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Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

The math used here is helping me understand why the right doesn't believe the CBO's estimates.

 

[jcarter7669]

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Ummm...yes they do sparky. Just like they have the right to levy a tax on you. You don't have the Constitutional right to be irresponsible

Actually you do have the right to be irresponsible, its called the right to LIBERTY. Taxes are different, taxes are paid for the common good. Whether or not I pay an insurance company to pay my hospital bills or I pay them out of pocket myself does not affect the common good/public. Ergo it is unconstitutional and a Supreme Court challenge away from being a total waste of thousands of pages of paper.

And the real issue is the cost....the amount of money sent to M/M fraud would cover those who actually want it. But no, instead we can just print another trillion dollars. And you can tack another 100 million to that to buy off Nelson. With nearly 60% of the public opposing this bill, Obama should cut his losses and move on. In another month his approval numbers are going to start making Dubya look like Washington himself.

 

[Rover]

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Chickensh*t

Hell, if you really want we could put the money in an escrow account today. I can have it in there tomorrow. The problem with you is you want to pick out one point and beat it into the ground and use it as if it refutes all other issues out there. If you feel so strongly about your one point on this subject because you can't refute any of the other points made about this bill I'm simply asking you to back it up.

Deep down you know there is no way this will ever reduce the deficit and I understand how you aren't man enough to use a bit of logic and admit that instead of towing the party-line. We've come to expect that from you.

Minny, you seem a little angry that you're unemployed and living with your mother. However, that's not my fault.

The facts remain, 1) the odds of you paying me are minimal, and 2) the odds of you admitted you're wrong, even if I produce an independent study saying so, are even longer. Why should I embark on a 10 year odyssey when I already know the outcome, which will be you refusing to admit this reduced its portion of the deficit followed by you refusing to pay up? The idea that you have 10G's lying around the house proves you're full of $&*t.

Now onto your other rants. Show me what other plan out there by independent estimates saves more $$$ than this Dem Senate plan??? Furthermore, show me by independent analysis how the status quo is better than Dem Senate plan?

Secondly, I can site a prominent example of when I wholeheartedly supported the Bush admin, which was their actions during the financial crisis of 2008. I've defended them repeatedly in fact. Can YOU site an example where you've stuck up repeatedly for the Obama administration??? I think maybe not, Mr. Bipartisanship....

 

[Rover]

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Ergo it is unconstitutional and a Supreme Court challenge away from being a total waste of thousands of pages of paper.

You just go right on believing that chief.

The math used here is helping me understand why the right doesn't believe the CBO's estimates.

Mookie was a College of Basic Studies student at BU, so math classes weren't part of the program. He can, however, color between the lines with the best of them.

 

[eaglehockeyrules]

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Funniest thing I saw on TV in quite a while were the two liberal-democrat strategists on O'Reilly last night crying foul that Obama has not kept to campaign promise of "transparency"... some things just sound good when shilling for votes.

Personally, I loved it when that press old hen Helen jabbed at Obama for his lack of transparency.

By the way... both lib-dem strtegists also thing this is going to cost a ga-jillion dollars... one one was from Boston too!

 

[eaglehockeyrules]

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Moving on...

Plante, you seem to be upset that Obama can't wave a magic wand. What did he promise vs how much did he deliver? Health care reform - at the goal line. Gitmo - in the process of being emptied. Iraq - pulling out troops now, will continue to do so throughout year. Afghanistan - promised to refocus efforts there, has approved 30K extra troops. Stimulus plan - passed and saving 1M+ jobs by independent estimate.

Heathcare is not a done deal yet, so I would not be as bold to start patting yourself on the back and kissing the ring of Herr Nancy Pelozi.

I am curious, why Gitmo as an issue? I know it is emblematic of G W Bush, but really, why move them to an abandoned Illinois prison, only to not try them? Symbolic move, that means nothing. More dirty politics, as liberals loved to cry foul with Dubya, how about Obies jaunt to Denmark to shill for the Olympic$? Now this deal with the abandoned Illinois prison? Typical dirty Chicago politics.

Just what troops are being moved out of Iraq?

I am curious, how does Viet Nam # 2 seem like a valiant effort of Obama? He campaigned on additional troops, yet Obama whaffled for 6 months before deciding to send half of the requested troops over there while troops died!

Who cares about saved government jobs... where are the 2 million jobs Obama promised he'd create?

Obama has not had a win since he took office; the Nobel Prize is joke, and it was voted on for potential before he assumed the office. In fact, the only great thing Obama accomplished (beyond gaffs in public by himself, i.e., "Cambridge cops is stupid" or his staff'serrors like Hillary's reset button, Van Jones 9/11 & whitey conspiracy, etc.) or the fact he is the lowest rated first year president in history - now that is an undisputable fact.

Obama, is a chocolate lite-version of G W Bush, but at least Bush had the stones to make decisions; for better or for worse.

Liberals: making America more and more like Communist China every day! Dumb sheep follow the dear leader.

 

[MinnFan]

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Minny, you seem a little angry that you're unemployed and living with your mother. However, that's not my fault.

Does it make you feel better about yourself to make these insinuations or are you just that much of a child?

The facts remain, 1) the odds of you paying me are minimal, and 2) the odds of you admitted you're wrong, even if I produce an independent study saying so, are even longer. Why should I embark on a 10 year odyssey when I already know the outcome, which will be you refusing to admit this reduced its portion of the deficit followed by you refusing to pay up? The idea that you have 10G's lying around the house proves you're full of $&*t.

Some of us actually take responsibility for our futures and have money tucked away. Its not too difficult to transfer that money to another account. Not all of us depend on gov't for our future.

The fact that you think its preposterous to have $10K in funds available perhaps explains your reliance on gov't and the wealth envy you fall back on.

Now onto your other rants. Show me what other plan out there by independent estimates saves more $$$ than this Dem Senate plan??? Furthermore, show me by independent analysis how the status quo is better than Dem Senate plan?

For starters this plan doesn't save money. If it did there wouldn't be a need for the increase in taxes. Because of that any one of the 5 GOP plans save more.

Here is a pretty good breakdown as to why the status quo is better

Secondly, I can site a prominent example of when I wholeheartedly supported the Bush admin, which was their actions during the financial crisis of 2008. I've defended them repeatedly in fact. Can YOU site an example where you've stuck up repeatedly for the Obama administration??? I think maybe not, Mr. Bipartisanship....

I would have liked Obama to have made the decision to put additional troops in Afghanistan quicker, but I definitely am happy he committed them.

How about this one, where have you taken Obama to task?

 

[eaglehockeyrules]

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Some of us actually take responsibility for our futures and have money tucked away. Its not too difficult to transfer that money to another account. Not all of us depend on gov't for our future.

Liberals, usually white, upper class, self-righteous, over educated, east/west coast suburbanites, love to proclaim what is right and wrong for the working class. They believe it is the job of the government to be a hand out agency. Whites with a lot of money are a funny bunch, as they think they know it all and what is best for others in lesser situations than themselves. Like Ted Kennedy, yet they hide all of their money from the government and do not want to pay taxes on thier money... like Ted Kennedy.

Obama is nothing but a product of getting his EEO ticket punched... a do-nothing in senate and a do-nothing and liar as President.

Obama lied, our soldiers died. Even Code Pink has turned on the annoited one... Micheal Moore will be next.

 

[Foxton]

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Am I the only one who's a bit scared by eaglehockeyrules gems of wisdom?

 

[MattS]

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Am I the only one who's a bit scared by eaglehockeyrules gems of wisdom?

Is that what they are called? I thought they were some kind of delusional rant.

 

[eaglehockeyrules]

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Am I the only one who's a bit scared by eaglehockeyrules gems of wisdom?

Obama: “Isn’t it great we’ve a band on board the ship?”

Realist: “Yes, it is nice, but I am slightly worried.”

Obama: “But the band just keeps on playing the songs people want to hear.”

Realist: “But you know, when you pulled the plug from the bottom, you made the ship sink, right!?”

Obama: "Another lovely, crowd pleasing song!"


Obama Lied, US Soliders Died.

 

[eaglehockeyrules]

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How come Obama did not release his transcripts from colleges he attended? (Hint: sub-par academic performance, but allowed to continue on in college because of Equal Opportunity).

At least Bushie had the stones to release all of military and college records.


Obama Lied, US Soldiers Died.

 

[True Blue Fan]

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Obama Lied, US Soldiers Died.

Wow you made a rhyme, clap clap, you did very good. Is it time for finger painting now or nap time?

 

[Handyman]

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Am I the only one who's a bit scared by eaglehockeyrules gems of wisdom?

Yes...but I am more scared that he may be right on some of them

Of course he also thinks America was founded on Christian ideals so it is a toss-up

edit: I still say egh is Priceless...

 

[Rover]

Re: ObamaRama 8

1) Some of us actually take responsibility for our futures and have money tucked away. Its not too difficult to transfer that money to another account. Not all of us depend on gov't for our future.

The fact that you think its preposterous to have $10K in funds available perhaps explains your reliance on gov't and the wealth envy you fall back on.


2) For starters this plan doesn't save money. If it did there wouldn't be a need for the increase in taxes. Because of that any one of the 5 GOP plans save more.

Here is a pretty good breakdown as to why the status quo is better

3) How about this one, where have you taken Obama to task?

1) Again, what a crock of $*@!. I do not believe for one second that you have 10,000 dollars at the ready to put in an escrow account tomorrow. I call BS, and invite you to prove me wrong on this one. Even somebody who had a hundred grand lying around the house would think twice about running out tomorrow and putting it towards this endeavor. Yet an unemployed college student can get all this done with a simple transfer of funds??? Yeah. Also, how much was that bridge you were tying to sell me again?

2) Ummm...what part of independent analysis are you having trouble with. Your article quotes an insurance company. Check me if I'm wrong, but aren't they they ones getting their windfall's restricted under this bill? But I'm suuuure their study was done on the up and up. You can't really be this stupid, right?

But since you brought it up (and the article didn't) show me what GOP plans save more than 132bn in the first 10 years, and then 1.3T in the next 10. This ought to be good...

3) Obama mishandled the passage of the healthcare effort. I mentioned that back when he had to give a town hall speech to get things back on track. He should have gotten the Dems and the GOP to each come up with their own plans, have the CBO score them both, and then see if there was any common ground. I've also said that he needs to take the $$$ back from TARP and pay back the Treasury, as the govt has done all it can at this point to stimulate the economy.

 

[eaglehockeyrules]

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Wow you made a rhyme, clap clap, you did very good. Is it time for finger painting now or nap time?

I cannot take credit for it, as it was the mantra from the liberals against Bushie and the war; I just swapped POTUS names around.

How is the USM degree treating you? Did you get a union gig at the Jordan hot dog plant? B&M bean factory?! Oops, I should of known, you're making bread up on the promenade. You ought to go back to smoking weed with your liberal "diverse" men friends in Portland.

 

[MinnFan]

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1) Again, what a crock of $*@!. I do not believe for one second that you have 10,000 dollars at the ready to put in an escrow account tomorrow. I call BS, and invite you to prove me wrong on this one. Even somebody who had a hundred grand lying around the house would think twice about running out tomorrow and putting it towards this endeavor. Yet an unemployed college student can get all this done with a simple transfer of funds??? Yeah. Also, how much was that bridge you were tying to sell me again?

One easy way to prove it is to take the bet, somehow come up with your own money and you'll find mine waiting in the account. I'm guessing you're continuing the unemployed college student line because you don't want to face up to the fact that you either don't have the money to put up or you are too scared to do so.

I have no problem putting the money up because a) I have it, b) I'm that sure that the gov't can't control spending and c) you'd be the one paying me. Its a nice little 7% annual return for me. You could consider it a transfer of wealth without the gov't having to do it.

But since you brought it up (and the article didn't) show me what GOP plans save more than 132bn in the first 10 years, and then 1.3T in the next 10. This ought to be good...

You dolt. I'm going to spell this very slowely for you. There is not a $132B in savings in this bill. Its a (supposed) deficit reduction. It is paid for with increased taxes. That means that it is actually spending more than the current projections. If it saved money it wouldn't cost $900B.

 

[walrus]

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As far as betting goes, Rover went to BU not BC.