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[Rover]

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One easy way to prove it is to take the bet, somehow come up with your own money and you'll find mine waiting in the account. I'm guessing you're continuing the unemployed college student line because you don't want to face up to the fact that you either don't have the money to put up or you are too scared to do so.

I have no problem putting the money up because a) I have it, b) I'm that sure that the gov't can't control spending and c) you'd be the one paying me. Its a nice little 7% annual return for me. You could consider it a transfer of wealth without the gov't having to do it.



You dolt. I'm going to spell this very slowely for you. There is not a $132B in savings in this bill. Its a (supposed) deficit reduction. It is paid for with increased taxes. That means that it is actually spending more than the current projections. If it saved money it wouldn't cost $900B.

You remind me of the dumb guy in My Cousin Vinny. He's willling to fight Vinny for 200 bucks, but won't actually show the money. Then he does but its a 20 wrapped around a bunch of ones. See any of yourself in that guy. However, I'm supposed to wait 10 years to prove that you're a fraud? You know, I think I know that already....

Dumb bell - the country will borrow 123B less for the 1st 10 years, AND 1.3T less over the next 10 years, due to health care reform. It IS paid for by some increased taxes, but also a lot of increased savings. Tell me again what GOP proposals are saving more money than the 132Bn the 1st 10 years, then the 1.3T the next 10 years, than the Dem bill. You said there were 5. Proposals and independent estimates please.

 

[eaglehockeyrules]

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Pelosi knows what is best for America! With those San Francisco values, and an approval rating of 29%, she knows the voice of the average American well!

Hey True Bread Fan, you hanging with your men friends at the Underground.

 

[MinnFan]

Re: ObamaRama 8

You remind me of the dumb guy in My Cousin Vinny. He's willling to fight Vinny for 200 bucks, but won't actually show the money. Then he does but its a 20 wrapped around a bunch of ones. See any of yourself in that guy. However, I'm supposed to wait 10 years to prove that you're a fraud? You know, I think I know that already....

If I prove to you that I have the money waiting will you take the bet?

Dumb bell - the country will borrow 123B less for the 1st 10 years, AND 1.3T less over the next 10 years, due to health care reform. It IS paid for by some increased taxes, but also a lot of increased savings. Tell me again what GOP proposals are saving more money than the 132Bn the 1st 10 years, then the 1.3T the next 10 years, than the Dem bill. You said there were 5. Proposals and independent estimates please.

You have to subtract $500B from that number due to the taxes. So with your system you wind up with $-377B compared to today. The GOP plan would save approx $80B without any additional taxes.
On top of that you can add approx $180B in defensive medicine costs that would be wiped out yearly.

 

[True Blue Fan]

Re: ObamaRama 8

Pelosi knows what is best for America! With those San Francisco values, and an approval rating of 29%, she knows the voice of the average American well!

Hey True Bread Fan, you hanging with your men friends at the Underground.

Not a liberal, nice try. Nice gray rep rep by the way.

 

[eaglehockeyrules]

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Not a liberal, nice try. Nice gray rep rep by the way.

Sure, scab. Maybe Pelosi, Snowe, et al., will take care of'em two inbred kids for ya, ya hick.

Does anyone really care about rep color?

Here's a novel idea... why don't you actually try adding something to the debate (either side); instead of playing with yourself.

 

[unofan]

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Actually you do have the right to be irresponsible, its called the right to LIBERTY.

Not when society is forced to keep you alive. Once again, so long as hospitals must treat anyone and everyone who shows up in their ER, then society can force you to pay for it.

If society suddenly says that they no longer wish to pay for the uninsured and is willing to let them die, then fine.

 

[sagard]

Re: ObamaRama 8

You have to subtract $500B from that number due to the taxes. So with your system you wind up with $-377B compared to today. The GOP plan would save approx $80B without any additional taxes.
On top of that you can add approx $180B in defensive medicine costs that would be wiped out yearly.

Bush had eight years to address our healthcare in a way that would have made the Republicans happy. He chose to ignore the issue. Now we all have to live with what Obama and the Dems come up with.

The next time the Republicans are in charge (likely in '16) I hope they don't act as short sighted as the Rove gang.

Complaining about the health care bill lacking tort reform is like blaming the refs in a 6-1 game.

 

[MinnFan]

Re: ObamaRama 8

Not when society is forced to keep you alive. Once again, so long as hospitals must treat anyone and everyone who shows up in their ER, then society can force you to pay for it.

If society suddenly says that they no longer wish to pay for the uninsured and is willing to let them die, then fine.

But you don't have to have gov't be the one to pay. There used to be fraternal societies that would help out the poor. You'd have voluntary contributions and better control over who got the help.

 

[unofan]

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Is that what they are called? I thought they were some kind of delusional rant.

Once again, obvious troll was obvious. Thus, they are delusional rants.

Not a liberal, nice try. Nice gray rep rep by the way.

Don't you know? Unless you believe all of the inconsistent and logically incompatible philosophies coming from the GOP mouthpieces, you're a Godless liberal.

Take it as a badge of honor. If my wife and friends ever heard anyone call me a liberal, they'd wonder if hell froze over.

why don't you actually try adding something to the debate (either side); instead of playing with yourself.

So sayeth Obvious Troll.

 

[unofan]

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But you don't have to have gov't be the one to pay. There used to be fraternal societies that would help out the poor. You'd have voluntary contributions and better control over who got the help.

Yeah, and what happens when the donations run out? The taxpayers pick up the rest.

Relying on charity to fix the health care system is not a solution. That's a weak-*** cop out and a way to avoid any real responsibility.

 

[eaglehockeyrules]

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Not when society is forced to keep you alive. Once again, so long as hospitals must treat anyone and everyone who shows up in their ER, then society can force you to pay for it.

If society suddenly says that they no longer wish to pay for the uninsured and is willing to let them die, then fine.

Your terminology is all wrong. This ain't Utopia either. How can "society" force a "private entity" like a hospital to pay for illegals, or anyone for that matter, without insurance who shows up to the ER? Good will, ethics, and that funky medical code of honor. Wrong, the hospital management will just charge more for A-Z.

Forced healthcare is not the answer, IMO.

The answer is regulation of the insurance companies and hospitals; which NEITHER SIDE EVER WANTED TO DEAL WITH DUE TO SPECIAL INTERESTS. However, I am reminded that there used to be > 146 hospitals in Massachusetts in 1991, yet the number is 92 today. Hospitals are businesses, as these businesses start to fail because they are not making profit (Iknow "profit" is a bad word liberals do not like when it does not apply to them directly), the government will once again have to step in and staff them with idjits from UNE Medical School... then you get into real ethical decision making time; i.e., does Grandma get the medicine, surgery, etc. Quality of medicines will go down due to being off of patent, and there will be a lack of doctors/nurses (because the appeal, ahem - $$$$ and prestege) to be a doc will lessen greatly; that IS the standard in socialized medicine.

Yet, liberals in the US do not care to debate that! They just label anyone who does not agree with there doctrine as "Pro-Slavery." LOL.

 

[MinnFan]

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Yeah, and what happens when the donations run out? The taxpayers pick up the rest.

Relying on charity to fix the health care system is not a solution. That's a weak-*** cop out and a way to avoid any real responsibility.

Why would the money run out? In fact, those people who are concerned about letting people die would be more likely to contribute if the funds got close to running out.

Its the way our country ran until the 60's.

 

[unofan]

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Yet, liberals in the US do nto care to debate that, just call anyone who does nto agree with them as Pro-Slavery! LOL.

As opposed to ****-heads like yourself who yell "liberal!!!1!!!" at anyone who disagrees with the twisted ideas inside your head. Who cares that Forrest ***** Gump would think you belong in the Special Olympics.

I got news for you, bub. ****ants like you are driving moderates like me away from the GOP in droves. So congratulations, you'll have a politically pure party that will be able to win absolutely zero national elections.

 

[Rover]

Re: ObamaRama 8

If I prove to you that I have the money waiting will you take the bet?



You have to subtract $500B from that number due to the taxes. So with your system you wind up with $-377B compared to today. The GOP plan would save approx $80B without any additional taxes.
On top of that you can add approx $180B in defensive medicine costs that would be wiped out yearly.

Sure Minny, I need a good laugh. Prove to me you have 10G's at your disposal.

Hey wait a minute....you're deducting tax increases from the Dems....but then you're NOT doing it for the GOP plan! What a fraud. Here's the text, from the CBO to Boehner....
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According to CBO and JCT’s assessment, enacting the amendment would result in
a net reduction in federal budget deficits of $68 billion over the 2010–2019 period.
That estimate reflects a projected net cost of $8 billion over 10 years for the
provisions directly related to insurance coverage; that net cost reflects a gross cost
of $61 billion that is partly offset by about $52 billion in additional revenues
associated with the coverage provisions. Over the same period, the other provisions
of the amendment would reduce direct spending by $49 billion and increase tax
revenues by $27 billion.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10705/hr3962amendmentBoehner.pdf

DOH!!!!

 

[MinnFan]

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Sure Minny, I need a good laugh. Prove to me you have 10G's at your disposal.

Cool. Send me an email address and I'll shoot you a screenshot of my checking account.

I certainly hope you're prepared to prove you have the funds for your side of the bet.

 

[MinnFan]

Re: ObamaRama 8

Hey wait a minute....you're deducting tax increases from the Dems....but then you're NOT doing it for the GOP plan! What a fraud. Here's the text, from the CBO to Boehner....
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
According to CBO and JCT’s assessment, enacting the amendment would result in
a net reduction in federal budget deficits of $68 billion over the 2010–2019 period.
That estimate reflects a projected net cost of $8 billion over 10 years for the
provisions directly related to insurance coverage; that net cost reflects a gross cost
of $61 billion that is partly offset by about $52 billion in additional revenues
associated with the coverage provisions. Over the same period, the other provisions
of the amendment would reduce direct spending by $49 billion and increase tax
revenues by $27 billion.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10705/hr3962amendmentBoehner.pdf

OK.
$-377B for you plan plus increases in premiums in the private sector.
$+40B for the GOP plan plus decreases in premiums in the private sector.

tough call there.

 

[Rover]

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OK.
$-377B for you plan plus increases in premiums in the private sector.
$+40B for the GOP plan plus decreases in premiums in the private sector.

tough call there.

Not so fast. Time to admit you got caught in a lie. Funny how studies from The Knuckledragger Foundation never seem to tell the whole truth.

BTW - Show me your breakdown of tax increases vs savings. Lets make sure we're using the same analysis.

For your other message, I'm not having some internet weirdo knowing my e-mail account. Come up with some other way.

 

[Priceless]

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To make things easier, Rover and MinnFan can each just send me $10K and when the ten years are up, I'll determine the winner.

 

[MinnFan]

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For your other message, I'm not having some internet weirdo knowing my e-mail account. Come up with some other way.

Who didn't see that coming

 

[Rover]

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Who didn't see that coming

Who cares is probably a better question, except for maybe Priceless who'd make off with the cash like a thief in the night.