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Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

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FreshFish said:
Serious question: do you have morals? If so, what reason do you give for not taking things that don't belong to you? There is no "scientific" justification for that belief, is there? You might say it makes social life more expedient, but is that scientific?

Arthur C. Clarke: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." So, which science does one believe when "science" itself is continually evolving?


Scientists at one time experimented on animals, believing they were merely "dumb brutes" devoid of feelings and emotions. Later discoveries indicated that animals indeed do feel pain and some emotions, and so beliefs about scientific experimentation on animals evolved from being acceptable to being immoral.

Scientists deliberately infected people with syphilis in the 1930s, was that immoral? if so, why?

You cannot only believe in "science" in a vacuum, can you? Does that mean that as long as you don't get caught, any behavior is okay?

I'm sure you don't believe that, yet there is something greater than "science", outside the realm of "science" that guides our decisions on what is moral, wouldn't you agree?

Babies born in the 7th month of pregnancy routinely survive to adulthood now. Does your "science" tell you that terminating a pregnancy in the 7th month or later is immoral?
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All that your post does is demonstrate that you don't understand what science really is. Observation->hypothesis->test->conclusion. Which methods are acceptable for the testing stage is a value judgement which is outside of the scientific process itself. Asking if science can inform you about the morality of abortion is like asking if toast can purple.
 
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LynahFan said:
All that your post does is demonstrate that you don't understand what science really is. Observation->hypothesis->test->conclusion. Which methods are acceptable for the testing stage is a value judgement which is outside of the scientific process itself. Asking if science can inform you about the morality of abortion is like asking if toast can purple.
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I was going to post something longer but this'll do pig. This'll do.
 
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Priceless said:
Hence the need for armies of thugs to beat up all pregnant women. Since they "have to be killed at all costs" it is far too risky to allow a pregnant woman to even come close to term.

Or has your world engineered a way for a drug to be added to the water supply that will eliminate all pregnancies? Even that is risky since bottled water is presumably drug free.

Again, it sounds like a terrible place to live. I am grateful I don't live there. I feel bad for you. Do you have a way to move from such a horrific place?
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Right here in DC!!

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=109&sid=2797993
 
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geezer said:
I'm not a Republican....
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Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

FreshFish said:
Babies born in the 7th month of pregnancy routinely survive to adulthood now. Does your "science" tell you that terminating a pregnancy in the 7th month or later is immoral?
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When it's out, it becomes a person. Prior to that, it's a choice and has no rights.
 
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I'm sure that this argument about abortion on the internet, unlike the previous 2,132,255,446,116 will produce a clear winner and all others will nod and agree that yes, they had never seen it explained that way and convert to the new way of thinking.
 
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bronconick said:
I'm sure that this argument about abortion on the internet, unlike the previous 2,132,255,446,116 will produce a clear winner and all others will nod and agree that yes, they had never seen it explained that way and convert to the new way of thinking.
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You know what they say. 2,132,255,446,117th time's a charm!
 
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LynahFan said:
Asking if science can inform you about the morality of abortion is like asking if toast can purple.
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Exactly, that was my entire point. Science is a necessary and not a sufficient condition for making informed decisions.
 
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geezer said:
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Is it necessary that I pledge allegiance to a political party?
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According to the Lords of the Underworld, you should pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of Timmah. :p:D
 
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FreshFish said:
Exactly, that was my entire point. Science is a necessary and not a sufficient condition for making informed decisions.
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My apologies. The way you presented it, I thought you were bringing this up as a criticism of science and that since science could not do certain things it was not worth pursuing or using for the things it IS intended for. I've seen that sort of argument all too frequently, so I jumped to conclusions.

Now, where's that mat....?
 
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LynahFan said:
My apologies. The way you presented it, I thought you were bringing this up as a criticism of science and that since science could not do certain things it was not worth pursuing or using for the things it IS intended for. I've seen that sort of argument all too frequently, so I jumped to conclusions.
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Understood. Generally you actually read the words as posted and respond to their content; I figured it was just a misunderstanding.

I do get annoyed with people who speak of science in quasi-religious terms; the history of science shows how our understanding of how the world works evolves and changes over time. You probably picked up on my annoyance at a person who claimed "science" could explain everything as if it were static and unchanging! :)

Science is a method not an answer in itself, so to speak.

An empirical world view is not only practical it also promotes psychological health; people whose world view depends upon a belief structure often suffer tremendous psychological pain when that belief structure is threatened by facts (see "cognitive dissonance"). The fact that their suffering is somewhat self-inflicted makes it no less painful to undergo.




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I have a tremendous amount of respect for Michelson and Morley for their integrity. They designed such an ingenious experiment, and when it did not work as expected, they reported their results straight up without trying to fudge the data. It was a key discovery in the development of the theory of special relativity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michaelson-Morley_experiment
 
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geezer said:
sorry, yes it was. I didn't read the book, but enjoyed the series especially for it's costumes (esp. settings in France), CGI recreations of Boston and construction of Washington, and casting of Adams, Washington, Franklin and Hamilton. Jefferson seemed more morose/taciturn than I would have expected but I'm not very familiar with him anyway. Google was my close friend throughout and every bit of dialogue that struck me enough to look up appeared to be historically accurate so I appreciated that although it made it feel somewhat stilted/lifetime movie-like. You remind me that I haven't watched the last episode yet but it's been good for me, as a non-student of that historical period but casually familiar.
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The last episode is a bit haphazard but quite good. Deals with the death of Abigail and the letters Jefferson and Adams sent each other before they both died. It is amazing to see how both were portrayed early on and see where they ended up. It is still amazing to me that John Adams is not nearly as revered as Washington and Jefferson despite all evidence.
 
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I wish we heard stories where concealed guns stopped crimes....at a fraction of the rate that the shoot or kill innocents. It does seem concealed guns are a bad deal for society.
 
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