Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

[geezer]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

You seem the excitable one.



Facts show that GOP and conservative administrations spend at least as much as liberal administrations...if not more.

So what is beyond dispute is that W's spending is at minimum not at all 'liberal'...and while not totally aligned, liberals were against the vast majority of Bush's positions including Iraq, oil subsidies, constitutional amendments to restrict freedoms, and on it goes.

If you want to make an indisputable case...provide evidence.

well.. if you're calling recent GOP administrations "conservative" by definition, then we're just right back to arguing over how to define the word, so it doesn't matter. I'll let the smart people talk about it.

i.e. "GOP administrations spend at least as much as Democratic administrations if not more" is true, while "conservative administrations spend at least as much as liberal administrations if not more", to me, is an oxymoron. You see where this goes. Disagreement over a definition. If you compare "GOP" to "liberal" you're comparing apples and oranges because one is a political party and one is an attitude of conservation.

 

[Plante26]

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well.. if you're calling recent GOP administrations "conservative" by definition, then we're just right back to arguing over how to define the word, so it doesn't matter. I'll let the smart people talk about it.

i.e. "GOP administrations spend at least as much as Democratic administrations if not more" is true, while "conservative administrations spend at least as much as liberal administrations if not more", to me, is an oxymoron. You see where this goes. Disagreement over a definition. If you compare "GOP" to "liberal" you're comparing apples and oranges because one is a political party and one is an attitude of conservation.

So what you're saying is that just because someone is called a conservative doesn't necessarily mean that they are one? Which means that our politicians as of late could be considered liberal and more liberal?

If you're really quiet, you'll hear Rover's head exploding.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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So what you're saying is that just because someone is called a conservative doesn't necessarily mean that they are one? Which means that our politicians as of late could be considered liberal and more liberal?

If you're really quiet, you'll hear Rover's head exploding.

You pretty much have it right. The only conservative in DC these days is Ron Paul, maybe also Rand Paul (but I haven't seen his record).

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

You pretty much have it right. The only conservative in DC these days is Ron Paul, maybe also Rand Paul (but I haven't seen his record).

And yet the conservatives are nominating Mitt Romney? Why is that when their are CLEAR alternatives running. Santorum reflects their values much more than Mitt does. So does Newt.

The entire GOP and everyone who calls themselves a conservative is complicit in this sham nomination process going on right now.

 

[Plante26]

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And yet the conservatives are nominating Mitt Romney? Why is that when their are CLEAR alternatives running. Santorum reflects their values much more than Mitt does. So does Newt.

The entire GOP and everyone who calls themselves a conservative is complicit in this sham nomination process going on right now.

There's a difference between a Republican and a conservative. Not that it matters, because self-identification and labeling have pretty much proven to be pointless--as proven by politicians on a daily basis.

Not to mention that this election for many people is less about specific issues and more about defeating Obama. Just like every environmentalist doesn't vote Green Party, not every conservative will vote for Newt or Santorum.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Not to mention that this election for many people is less about specific issues and more about defeating Obama. Just like every environmentalist doesn't vote Green Party, not every conservative will vote for Newt or Santorum.

That's not the same thing. The idiots that voted green in 2000 cost the liberal the election. This is the nomination process. This is the opportunity for your party to pick the candidate you want. And their failing.

Mitt Romney is going to get killed in the debates. Worse than McCain. The only "Democrats" that will vote for him are voting for his hair.

 

[TimP]

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The only "Democrats" that will vote for him are voting for his hair.

And even that pales in comparison to John Edwards.

 

[Plante26]

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That's not the same thing. The idiots that voted green in 2000 cost the liberal the election. This is the nomination process. This is the opportunity for your party to pick the candidate you want. And their failing.

Mitt Romney is going to get killed in the debates. Worse than McCain. The only "Democrats" that will vote for him are voting for his hair.

It is exactly the same thing. Just on a different level. People voting for the candidate they think can win as opposed to voting for the candidate most-closely aligned with their beliefs.

......which brings me to my next point: It has become quite popular to cross over in primaries and vote for the candidate you want to lose. Who's to say that isn't happening again? I have heard liberal organizations encouraging their supporters to get out and infiltrate the Repub primaries.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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It is exactly the same thing. Just on a different level. People voting for the candidate they think can win as opposed to voting for the candidate most-closely aligned with their beliefs.

......which brings me to my next point: It has become quite popular to cross over in primaries and vote for the candidate you want to lose. Who's to say that isn't happening again? I have heard liberal organizations encouraging their supporters to get out and infiltrate the Repub primaries.

No, not it's not. If Dems are voting their voting for Gingrich or Santorum. Romney can't run on Business and he can't run on Health Care so I fail to see why they think he's electable. He's got the look I guess. He needs to ask Roxette for permission to make that his campaign theme song.

 

[Bakunin]

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Mitt Romney is going to get killed in the debates.

You say that as if it matters.

What happens with the economy and Iran over the next 7 months is what will determine the outcome of the election - not a couple dudes verbally sparring with each other in a carefully scripted environment two or three times.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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You say that as if it matters.

What happens with the economy and Iran over the next 7 months is what will determine the outcome of the election - not a couple dudes verbally sparring with each other in a carefully scripted environment two or three times.

I doubt it. Perhaps the economy but the Republicans and Mitt Romney have shown to be complete idiots on the economy. Running against the Ryan plan is going to net Obama some serious support. The only way Iran comes into play is if something really happens and I have serious doubts about that.

 

[TimP]

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You say that as if it matters.

What happens with the economy and Iran over the next 7 months is what will determine the outcome of the election - not a couple dudes verbally sparring with each other in a carefully scripted environment two or three times.

THIS. I watched the debates in 2008, but only to watch McCane and Palin get throttled. It'll be the same this time around. When the economy improves, nothing Romney, Gingrich, or Santorum can say will make people want to vote for them.

 

[pirate]

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plenty of people will vote, for each party...the reds will get >45% of the votes, so will the blues. The last 10% will decide it, like most elections. Whether that breaks 60/40 or 70/30 will determine the degree to which one side will declare it a clear mandate.


Only XXX days until we see the first "this election completely validates my party and proves the other is irrelevant"

 

[Priceless]

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plenty of people will vote, for each party...the reds will get >45% of the votes, so will the blues. The last 10% will decide it, like most elections. Whether that breaks 60/40 or 70/30 will determine the degree to which one side will declare it a clear mandate.


Only XXX days until we see the first "this election completely validates my party and proves the other is irrelevant"

51% is a mandate.

 

[mookie1995]

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51% is a mandate.

or sometimes 49%

 

[Priceless]

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or sometimes 49%

We learned in 2004 that 51% is a mandate

Don't you have some spam to post?

 

[Kepler]

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Don't you have some spam to post?

It starts out as right wing garbage, but in mookie's hands it becomes beautiful:

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

How quickly we edit our memories!

How do you explain the overwhelming votes in Congress in favor of the initial Iraq action? Something like 96 - 2 in the Senate.

And how do you explain that BHO basically has continued all of GWB's anti-terror policies unchanged?

Bush was the commander in chief, he had that power anyways. And even then the majority of Dems voted against it. If you're looking for blame for its passage...only 7 out of over 200 GOPers voted against it.

Pursuit of terror? That's an American deal. The Iraq war? That's a conservative deal.

Conservative 84% supported the Iraq war...with 44% of liberals at its high point in 2003. Gallup.

> The Medicare part D prescription drug benefit was a liberal expansion of entitlement benefits (although it was designed using conservative economic principles; it remains the only entitlement program in which actual spending was actually lower than projected spending).

> His collaboration with Bono on AIDs aid to Africa.

> His collaboration with Ted Kennedy on No Child Left Behind.

This is the best you can do? No child left behind turned out to be a debacle...and was dumped as soon as Obama was in office. And if that leaves you with a Medicare policy and Bono for a 8 year administration...your on weak ground. Let's not discuss any minor social positions such as his support for banning gay marriage.

well.. if you're calling recent GOP administrations "conservative" by definition, then we're just right back to arguing over how to define the word, so it doesn't matter. I'll let the smart people talk about it.

Again, you define it differently than everyone else.

Percent voting for GW Bush in 2004:

By political philosophy:

Liberal 13%
Independent 48%
Conservative 84%

Roper Public Opinion Archives

Fifty-seven percent (57%) of Americans view President George W. Bush as politically conservative. Nineteen percent (19%) say the 43rd president of the United States is politically moderate, while 11% see him as liberal. Rasmussen.

 

[Plante26]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

Bush was the commander in chief, he had that power anyways. And even then the majority of Dems voted against it. If you're looking for blame for its passage...only 7 out of over 200 GOPers voted against it.

GOPers do not equal conservatives. We've gone over this.

Pursuit of terror? That's an American deal. The Iraq war? That's a conservative deal.

Conservative 84% supported the Iraq war...with 44% of liberals at its high point in 2003. Gallup.

Considering the political polarization in America since 2000, you don't think that obstructionist ideology could be to blame, could you? Of course, I'm sure you don't think Saddam Hussein to be a terrorist......derp.

This is the best you can do? No child left behind turned out to be a debacle...and was dumped as soon as Obama was in office. And if that leaves you with a Medicare policy and Bono for a 8 year administration...your on weak ground. Let's not discuss any minor social positions such as his support for banning gay marriage.

Which was replaced by the equally-as-repugnant "Race to the Top". Yawn.

Again, you define it differently than everyone else.

Percent voting for GW Bush in 2004:

By political philosophy:

Liberal 13%
Independent 48%
Conservative 84%

Roper Public Opinion Archives

Fifty-seven percent (57%) of Americans view President George W. Bush as politically conservative. Nineteen percent (19%) say the 43rd president of the United States is politically moderate, while 11% see him as liberal. Rasmussen.

Again, ideological stereotypes mean nothing. Bush was a true conservative like Rover is a true logical thinker. It just ain't true.

(Besides, when have liberals ever believed ANYTHING the American people have said?)




BTW: It is "you're". Not "your". Use of the English language demands SOME respect around the finest political forum in sports.

 

[bronconick]

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Fiscal conservatives in America are an endangered species. Social conservatives and your more extreme liberals are around, but are taken for granted by their parties and mostly have their issues ignored on a national level, with the exception of this current anti-abortion law push by ALEC (which still means they were ignored by "their" party, and are doing it on their own)