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Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

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Amusing to see righties try to define "conservatism" as something other than what's been practiced out of the Republican party over the last 15 years. I don't think Houdini struggled this much to get out of the trap they're caught in.

The problem for the houseplante's of the world is that "traditional conservatives" as they want to call themselves don't exist anymore. They've all died off, much like we no longer have Free Soilers, Whigs, Bull-Moose, etc, etc. Fiscally conservative, socially libertarian but optimistic leadership only exists in the fantasyland of your own minds, the same nirvana state where borrowing money to finance tax cuts for the rich stimulates the economy AND shrinks the deficit.

So yes, GOP = Conservative. Not some wishful thinking definition of conservatism, but the one dedicated to 1) Upper income tax cuts paid for by borrowing money, 2) Govt telling you what to do in the bedroom according to fundamentalist Christian doctrine that less than 1% of the population actually follows including its advocates, and 3) Unneccesary, poorly planned but supremely expensive military conflicts of an open ended nature in an attempt to resurrect the black and white world that existed during the Cold War.

Want proof: The top two GOP contenders this year have supported 1) The Ryan Plan which will maintain a deficit but reduce top level tax rates, 2) The Blunt Amendment, which would allow your employer to sign off on how they think you're using birth control before they decide to cover it, and 3) An unlimited engagement both in Iraq and Afghanistan.

So I ask, where are all these "traditional conservatives" because I don't see them influencing too much GOP policy lately...
 
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I was playing trivia the other night, and found out that the term "liberal" actually started in the 1800's in the UK's government party system. And FWIW I actually got the answer right. In any case, I wonder if "conservatives" are going after liberals because they want to return to the old ways and attack anything British? ;)
 
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Amusing to see righties try to define "conservatism" as something other than what's been practiced out of the Republican party over the last 15 years....

So I ask, where are all these "traditional conservatives" because I don't see them influencing too much GOP policy lately...

That is exactly what conservatives themselves are saying! Interesting that you make the same point that conservatives do, that the GOP does NOT represent conservatives.

I also suggest that the Democrats no longer represent liberals either. The Democrats today seem primarily to represent trial attorneys, accounting firms, subsidized "green" energy companies, and public-sector unions.

Party affiliation on both sides is nearing record lows. Each party has its own core of special-interests and seems primarily to be concerned with obtaining office and maintaining itself in office. There seems to be little purpose to either party beyond winning the next election.
 
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There seems to be little purpose to either party beyond winning the next election.
True. Although I wonder whether it's ever been any different. A "political party" is simply a machine for winning elections. There are people within the party with a vision, but a party is just a tool.

If anything I think parties have actually become more "sincere," and that's a bad thing. There used to be all sorts of factions under the umbrella of a party -- so much so that there was overlap between parties (and the ability to compromise). So now we have a GOP that would rather blow up the airplane than see it deviate 1 degree from their preferred flight plan.
 
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True. Although I wonder whether it's ever been any different. A "political party" is simply a machine for winning elections. There are people within the party with a vision, but a party is just a tool.

If anything I think parties have actually become more "sincere," and that's a bad thing. There used to be all sorts of factions under the umbrella of a party -- so much so that there was overlap between parties (and the ability to compromise). So now we have a GOP that would rather blow up the airplane than see it deviate 1 degree from their preferred flight plan.
Wait, I've just been hearing that the GOP has all these vast schisms, between social conservatives, business interests, military adventurists, etc. Now I'm confused as to whether the GOP is too unifiied, too divided, or what? Or maybe they're both, so they can be criticized no matter what they do!
 
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Wait, I've just been hearing that the GOP has all these vast schisms, between social conservatives, business interests, military adventurists, etc. Now I'm confused as to whether the GOP is too unifiied, too divided, or what? Or maybe they're both, so they can be criticized no matter what they do!

Um... set theory?

The GOP factions (mostly*) self-reinforce; the Dem factions (mostly**) do too. That doesn't mean there isn't still a gulf between them.

(* The one that doesn't is their libertarian wing. That's much more like the traditional relationship between interests that cross-cut parties. **Another one, unfortunately, is crony capitalists, who have burrowed deeply into the wood of both parties and laid their eggs.)
 
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True. Although I wonder whether it's ever been any different. A "political party" is simply a machine for winning elections. There are people within the party with a vision, but a party is just a tool.

If anything I think parties have actually become more "sincere," and that's a bad thing. There used to be all sorts of factions under the umbrella of a party -- so much so that there was overlap between parties (and the ability to compromise). So now we have a GOP that would rather blow up the airplane than see it deviate 1 degree from their preferred flight plan.

Amen to this. It's like how the GOP decided to "assume" the TEA party movement, and the Dems tried to "assume" the Occupy movement, when in all reality, both movements want nothing to do with those political parties, as their beliefs would be compromised.
 
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Wait, I've just been hearing that the GOP has all these vast schisms, between social conservatives, business interests, military adventurists, etc. Now I'm confused as to whether the GOP is too unifiied, too divided, or what? Or maybe they're both, so they can be criticized no matter what they do!

There really should be no suprise by now what the GOP stands for. We all know the list...which does include a high priority on regressing on social issues and a platform of wanting to cut only government that doesn't directly benefit them. Polls show that today's American conservatives are the backbone of the GOP.

And I do not believe that self styled conservatives...who have one way to impact the process and choose to vote for the GOP...on average truly disagree with its policies. That list of self styled conservatives who say they do not like the GOP but vote for them constantly...on this site alone, is a pretty large list by my count.
 
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True. Although I wonder whether it's ever been any different. A "political party" is simply a machine for winning elections. There are people within the party with a vision, but a party is just a tool.

recently purchased and watched the HBO series John Adams. One interesting thing was how he and Jefferson (moreso Adams) seemed to disdain party labels, even while there were huge and clear differences between the federalist and republican philosophies. The country was a bit smaller then.
 
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recently purchased and watched the HBO series John Adams. One interesting thing was how he and Jefferson (moreso Adams) seemed to disdain party labels, even while there were huge and clear differences between the federalist and republican philosophies. The country was a bit smaller then.

The worst insult you could give a politician at the time was to call him a "party man".
 
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The worst insult you could give a politician at the time was to call him a "party man".

And you know this.....how? One would think calling a politician a friend of King George III would be an even bigger insult, but I don't have access to your time machine. BTW - if you could put that thing in drive instead of reverse and let me know who's going to with the hockey championship, it would be much appreciated.
 
Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

Wait, I've just been hearing that the GOP has all these vast schisms, between social conservatives, business interests, military adventurists, etc. Now I'm confused as to whether the GOP is too unifiied, too divided, or what? Or maybe they're both, so they can be criticized no matter what they do!

To make it simple for you Bob, the Republican party is made of crabby old white male fossils who are less and less of the overall voting populace as time goes on, thus rendering their party the same fate as the dinosaur if they don't change their ways.
 
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The worst insult you could give a politician at the time was to call him a "party man".

Funny. The GOP is nominating the establishment candidate. Isn't that code for "party man"?
 
Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

To make it simple for you Bob, the Republican party is made of crabby old white male fossils who are less and less of the overall voting populace as time goes on, thus rendering their party the same fate as the dinosaur if they don't change their ways.

Not necessarily true. Perhaps it's receiving a rebranding in the next few years.
 
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