Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

[LynahFan]

Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

We do? We're not the ones who said the US was "weak" or that defending the US was a "small issue." Maybe if you're looking for people who hate America you should look across the aisle.

That's the best you have? I could come up with much better examples of the Republicans' America-hating ways!

As a socially-liberal, fiscally-conservative, libertarian-wannabe, atheist, I have frequent opportunities to view each side as being completely full of crap. Taking delight in criticism of America happens to be one of the sins I see much more frequently on the left.

 

[walrus]

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p. Taking delight in criticism of America happens to be one of the sins I see much more frequently on the left.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/11/the-years-of-shame/

 

[Bakunin]

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As a socially-liberal, fiscally-conservative, libertarian-wannabe, atheist, I have frequent opportunities to view each side as being completely full of crap.

Dial down your cleverness, or cranky old men will yell at you and call you "intolerant" while insulting you the entire time.

 

[Priceless]

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That's the best you have? I could come up with much better examples of the Republicans' America-hating ways!

Those were just two examples from the last GOP debate. If I wanted to be nasty, I'd mention that Republicans don't want to provide health care for first responders who developed cancer from working on that pile of humanity and concrete after 9/11.

 

[walrus]

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Dial down your cleverness, or cranky old men will yell at you and call you "intolerant" while insulting you the entire time.

You enjoy every last insult

 

[Bakunin]

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You enjoy every last insult

I'd enjoy them more if he didn't use references that date back to the late Cretaceous.

 

[Handyman]

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Those were just two examples from the last GOP debate. If I wanted to be nasty, I'd mention that Republicans don't want to provide health care for first responders who developed cancer from working on that pile of humanity and concrete after 9/11.

They must not be real Americans...they probably had cancer BEFORE 9/11 now they want to use tax dollars stolen from the Job Creators to pay it off! What a bunch of selfish, soulless, leaching ********!!

 

[Old Pio]

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Perhaps we could suspend the self-congratulatory auto-fellatio for just a moment to consider what we're remembering today. It's not a "tragedy," and picking up beer cans along an interstate is not an appropriate memorial for three thousand innocents killed. My response was, and still is, outrage. And a desire to do to them what Al Capone wanted to do to Elliot Ness:

I want you to get this ******* where he breathes! I want you to find this nancy-boy Eliot Ness, I want him DEAD! I want his family DEAD! I want his house burned to the GROUND! I wanna go there in the middle of the night and I wanna P*SS ON HIS ASHES!

Works for me.

 

[Foxton]

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I'd enjoy them more if he didn't use references that date back to the late Cretaceous.

The cretaceous never happened. Those dinosaurs are preflood not prehistoric. (Quoth Kent Hovind, a "famous" creationist currently serving time in a federal prison for tax evasion)

Perhaps we could suspend the self-congratulatory auto-fellatio for just a moment to consider what we're remembering today. It's not a "tragedy," and picking up beer cans along an interstate is not an appropriate memorial for three thousand innocents killed. My response was, and still is, outrage. And a desire to do to them what Al Capone wanted to do to Elliot Ness:

Remember today? It's been a key conservative talking point since it happened. There hasn't been a chance to forget.

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And if people want to use this as some kind of wake up call to try and make the world a little bit better of a place.... then good for them and bad for you that you want to use it as some call to become more extreme. Because if there's one lesson to take out of 9/11 it's that extremism does nothing but ruin lives.

 

[Priceless]

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And if people want to use this as some kind of wake up call to try and make the world a little bit better of a place.... then good for them and bad for you that you want to use it as some call to become more extreme. Because if there's one lesson to take out of 9/11 it's that extremism does nothing but ruin lives.

If there's one thing you should have learned from those first responders, it's that volunteering in your community is a huge waste of time.

 

[Old Pio]

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If there's one thing you should have learned from those first responders, it's that volunteering in your community is a huge waste of time.

Those firefighters, cops and EMT's were volunteering? Volunteers typically aren't represented by unions (which is no reflection whatsoever on their inspiring heroism). Volunteering in your community is a wonderful thing, more people should do it. But that's unrelated to how we remember the murder of 3,000 innocent people. We don't need more "diversity," we don't need more "sensitivity," we don't need more "nuance," we don't need to "understand where they're coming from," we don't need to "examine our own actions." We need to resolve to honor the memory of the victims, and do whatever it takes to prevent a repetition, and kill every last one of those raghead mother effers. Touchy, feely is of limited utility when you're dealing with fanatics. It's not "Islamophobia" if they're actually trying to kill you. Here's what we should be remembering:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_kmfzwc5Pw&feature=player_embedded

We should especially remember the wretches, faced with incineration, who chose to jump. We should remember the hard left in America (Susan Sontag, Ward "little Eichmanns" Churchill, et al) who waited only hours before placing the blame on America. Was anybody surprised at this typical anti-Americanism? And don't forget noted metallurgist Rosie O'Donnell, who decided it was an inside job, a "demolition," and not the result of the jetliners slamming in to the towers. Oh yes, we have a lot to remember and the libtard air brush isn't going to change that.

 

[Slap Shot]

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As a socially-liberal, fiscally-conservative, libertarian-wannabe, atheist, I have frequent opportunities to view each side as being completely full of crap. Taking delight in criticism of America happens to be one of the sins I see much more frequently on the left.

I agree with you fairly often but I find the, "liberals hate America" rhetoric to be grossly sophomoric. Yes there are plenty of liberal head-scratcher talking points, but they are too often mis-characterized as, "hating on America" when they might actually be a legitimate request for self-reflection.

And to be clear, I find Pio's last 2 posts in this thread to be spot on.

9/11 on the 10th anniversary should be a rememberance of those that lost their lives that day, but addtionally that as a country we remain a symbol that the rest of the world views positively, depsite what some would have us believe. This is hard for those that have never actually stepped outside our borders and spoken with others to accept, but no other country on the planet has strived (sometimes to a fault) to benefit others as much as the U.S. has - even if there were at times an ulterior motive (come on, let's be honest that's always the case no matter whom is doing the offering).

 

[Foxton]

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Those firefighters, cops and EMT's were volunteering? Volunteers typically aren't represented by unions (which is no reflection whatsoever on their inspiring heroism). Volunteering in your community is a wonderful thing, more people should do it. But that's unrelated to how we remember the murder of 3,000 innocent people. We don't need more "diversity," we don't need more "sensitivity," we don't need more "nuance," we don't need to "understand where they're coming from," we don't need to "examine our own actions." We need to resolve to honor the memory of the victims, and do whatever it takes to prevent a repetition, and kill every last one of those raghead mother effers. Touchy, feely is of limited utility when you're dealing with fanatics. It's not "Islamophobia" if they're actually trying to kill you. Here's what we should be remembering:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_kmfzwc5Pw&feature=player_embedded

You have learned nothing.

BTW How many more americans have died on your jihad to go fishing with dynamite in the middle east for wmds?

 

[5mn_Major]

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http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/11/the-years-of-shame/

How does Krugman feeling that certain characters turned 9/11 into a wedge issue the same as 'taking delight in criticism of America'? These seem to have pretty much nothing in common with each other.

 

[LynahFan]

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I agree with you fairly often but I find the, "liberals hate America" rhetoric to be grossly sophomoric.

I don't think liberals hate America, but I stand by the wording I used, that they take delight in criticism of America more frequently than the right. It's the same feeling that I have when I see the anti-school spirit displayed by some student bodies, as if they're some sort of intellectually superior types who have evolved into a post-school spirit realm and they look disdainfully down on anyone who is so crass as to don the school colors and cheer at a sporting event. I mean, not to name names, but you might find some of them staying away from Bright Arena in droves...

How does Krugman feeling that certain characters turned 9/11 into a wedge issue the same as 'taking delight in criticism of America'? These seem to have pretty much nothing in common with each other.

Yeah, I don't really see that link myself. I do wonder what Krugman's point is, though. Perhaps the observances are subdued because this is, just possibly, a somber occasion? Or does he really somehow think that if Gore had been President in 2001, we'd be having wild street parties to celebrate the 10-year anniversary of 3000 murders?

 

[Kepler]

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I don't think liberals hate America, but I stand by the wording I used, that they take delight in criticism of America more frequently than the right.

Meh, "delight" is a loaded word. Sure, there are college sophomores who like criticizing things to make themselves feel superior, but the critiques liberals use for America revolve around things they want to see improved -- it's the exact opposite of hating America, it's wanting America to live up to its ideals and believing it can. Sometimes that can come across as scolding, but again, what are you supposed to do when you see an obvious divergence between your ideals and the practice of your country? Just be quiet? Now that really would be anti-American.

Conservatives criticize America all the time, too, with their "in my day..." old man rants. How else can you express dissatisfaction with the gap between what you wish your country was and what it is? That's engagement and idealism and it's a positive characteristic no matter who does it and whether or not they happen to be wrong. The "blame America first" card the right loves playing is just another case of them wrapping themselves in the flag and pretending their interests are the only legitimate values. They can caress each other with it all they want -- everybody else sees it plainly as partisan b.s.

 

[LynahFan]

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Meh, "delight" is a loaded word. Sure, there are college sophomores who like criticizing things to make themselves feel superior, but the critiques liberals use for America revolve around things they want to see improved -- it's the exact opposite of hating America, it's wanting America to live up to its ideals and believing it can. Sometimes that can come cross as scolding, but again, what are you supposed to do when you see an obvious divergence between your ideals and the practice of your country? Just be quiet? Now that really would be anti-American.

Conservatives criticize America all the time, too, with their "in my day..." old man rants. How else can you express dissatisfaction with the gap between what you wish your country was and what it is? That's engagement and idealism and it's a positive characteristic no matter who does it and whether or not they happen to be wrong. The "blame America first" card the right loves playing is just another case of them wrapping themselves in the flag and pretending their interests are the only legitimate values. They can caress each other with it all they want -- everybody else sees it plainly as partisan b.s.

I find absolutely nothing to disagree with in your post, but it doesn't change my one opinion which is based on my observations over the years. We must simply have different experiences and therefore observations.

 

[Priceless]

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You have to really put in an effort to hate unions as much as some people do. Congratulations.

The first responders were only working on that pile to collect overtime. That's rich.

 

[Kepler]

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You have to really put in an effort to hate unions as much as some people do. Congratulations.

The first responders were only working on that pile to collect overtime. That's rich.

Remember "greedy 9/11 widows?"

 

[Kepler]

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I find absolutely nothing to disagree with in your post, but it doesn't change my one opinion which is based on my observations over the years. We must simply have different experiences and therefore observations.

Nah. It's just means your observations are flawed because your Kantian Categories are broken.