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Obama XX: Maybe We'll Even Talk About Obama

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Bob, I have to go eat supper now, then I'll be watching the Frozen Four, so I won't be able to correct your posts for a while.
 
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Bob, I have to go eat supper now, then I'll be watching the Frozen Four, so I won't be able to correct your posts for a while.

Thanks for letting me know you're giving me a break. A true compassionate liberal.;)
 
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But, hey, it's good spin. He's had to be somewhat of a centrist for various reasons, but he also has times when his liberal tendencies are on full display if one pays attention.

ROTFLMAO. Comedy at it's finest. You should work for Glen Beck.
 
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ROTFLMAO. Comedy at it's finest. You should work for Glen Beck.

Ah, whenever I say anything less than stellar about your Obama, I can count on you to get all worked up. Except of course you're a middle-of-the-road guy, and have a bridge you'd like to sell in Brooklyn.
 
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Ah, whenever I say anything less than stellar about your Obama, I can count on you to get all worked up. Except of course you're a middle-of-the-road guy, and have a bridge you'd like to sell in Brooklyn.

1. I didn't vote for Obama. You know that. I don't know how many ways I can say it. I didn't vote for him, and I won't vote for him next time. He doesn't measure up.
2. He's not a liberal. Not even close. He's a sheep in cow's clothing. I can't call him a wolf because he's too much of a wimp.
 
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Bingo...there is no compromise at this point. The loony side of both parties has taken foothold.

And Bob...not one liberal would agree with you on whether Obama has been a "good little liberal". He may be left of you and the people you support but he is nowhere near as to the left as Clinton was...he isnt even as far to the left as HE was in '08. If expanding government is all it takes to be a lefty then there hasnt been a true Righty since before Reagan. (and your mention of the gays is hilarious since they have been attacking him almost since day one about gay marraige and DADT and his promises he has yet to keep there)

My take on Obama's leftiness is that he had every intention of being very left, his initial efforts were left...he got a lot of pushback, the economy has not repaired, he used up a lot of capital to get healthcare approved, we weren't able to get out of Irate-istan quickly etc. and he had to swerve back to the center. Maybe 'had' is too strong of a word, but the mid-term election was not the affirmation of his efforts he probably expected when he embarked.

It is pretty easy to always bet the 'middle' when it comes to presidential performance in ther first term...no rightie is as right as those people want him to be and no lefty is as left as those people want him to be. Re-election, especially if the original election had some emotion to it (be it war, recession, the last guy was sleeping with an intern etc.)could generate the appearance of a MANDATE. That tends to fade into a far less decisive advantage as events conspire against the original blueprint for the revolution.

So, Obama is getting some experience in re-election, something he has never had to do before...I think that tends to bring out the middle in most presidents...if he wins re-election he will spend that second term trying to 'cement his legacy', or whatever stupid term the media uses, by returning to his left roots...as long as that effort doesn't completely guarantee the opponents crush his party in the next election. (see Bush, G W)

It is far more predictable than most admit.

So, if Obama wins two terms and by the end of his second things aren't going well then the righties will win, declare a mandate, declare that the people have spoken, declare that elections have consequences etc. Righties will declare the left party irrelevant...they will make a bunch of stupid decisions to act on the mandate, they will lose traction, move to the middle for fear of losing the white house, win 4 more years, run us onto a different shoal than the last guys did, lose the next election, the lefties will declare it was a mandate...you get the idea.

If nothing else it keeps the message boards busy.
 
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1. I didn't vote for Obama. You know that. I don't know how many ways I can say it. I didn't vote for him, and I won't vote for him next time. He doesn't measure up.
2. He's not a liberal. Not even close. He's a sheep in cow's clothing. I can't call him a wolf because he's too much of a wimp.
Hey, all I know is you defend him constantly around here when others, including myself criticize him. I honestly don't know why you wouldn't vote for him, given how you talk around here.

He's a mixed bag. He goes more center when he has to or needs to for political purposes. He pushes a strong left agenda when he gets openings to do so.
 
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Impropriety in the votes in Waukesha county? Why I never...

I think a more accurate word would be irregularity. No one knows yet if there were improprieties. My frame of reference is Cook county, where shenanigans are a way of life and in fact set the standard for the rest of the country.
 
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I think a more accurate word would be irregularity. No one knows yet if there were improprieties. My frame of reference is Cook county, where shenanigans are a way of life and in fact set the standard for the rest of the country.

Whenever this happens in a county as partisan as Waukesha or Cook- it has to raise a few eyebrows. Especially when you get repeat offenders. There are no improprieties here in the same way that the SEC fields amateur football teams.
 
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It's obviously going to raise some red flags, given the leanings (lurchings?) of the county involved, but look past Michael Moore's twitter meltdown at more impartial sources, and it definitely makes sense.

First, there's a Democrat on the Waukesha County Board of Canvassers, vice chair of the party in the county. She said on the new count:
We went over everything and made sure all the numbers jibed up and they did. Those numbers jibed up and we're satisfied they're correct.
I'm not going to stand here and tell you something that's not true.

Second, there's the people who watched the elections come in on Tuesday, and were already noticing something not adding up. A bunch of precincts came in from Waukesha with no votes coming with them. Ann Althouse said at the time:
Waukesha is now shown as completely in, but the numbers didn't change, so I think something may have been misreported.

Finally, liberal polling god Nate Silver says the numbers make sense:
The numbers being floated about missing votes in Brookfield seem reasonable. Would be ~11% of Waukesha vote, same as in Prez election in 08.
So I don't think there's any conspiracy here ... Waukesha's vote total had been slightly lower than you might expect.

All that said, the clerk is grossly incompetent and needs to be voted out/resign, but it doesn't rise to the level of conspiracy!!11! for me.
 
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My take on Obama's leftiness is that he had every intention of being very left, his initial efforts were left...he got a lot of pushback, the economy has not repaired, he used up a lot of capital to get healthcare approved, we weren't able to get out of Irate-istan quickly etc. and he had to swerve back to the center.

Ah no. Before O even entered office, he was making business friendly moves. He picked up a pro business economic team and worked with Bush insitute a handful of extremely business friendly actions. Regulations to manage the financial industry were light considering the dems had full control...and he ended up keeping the Bush tax cuts. Iraq, Afghanistan and Gitmo have not been vacated...and the military is relatively untouched. The most one could say is that he instituted healthcare (which was a big Clinton desire) and that he didn't continue Bush's social push to the right.

How much of this was inititated in the runup to the midterms? Very little.

Obama is both centrist and a concensus guy like very few presidents. Problem is this generation of conservatives won't give him credit for anything.
 
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Obama is both centrist and a concensus guy like very few presidents. Problem is this generation of conservatives won't give him credit for anything.

They will in ten years. It's election season, so everything he does is of course OMG WORST PREZIDENT EVER!!!11!

Intelligent conservatives appreciate what Clinton did about welfare and intelligent liberals appreciate what Bush Sr. did about backing off the worst predations of Reaganomics. But at the time, they were OMG WORST PREZIDENT EVER!!!11! It takes about a decade for partisans to admit decent presidents were decent. (Stinker presidents like Carter and Bush Jr. don't get that break.) Elections bring out silly season. Twas ever thus.
 
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They will in ten years. It's election season, so everything he does is of course OMG WORST PREZIDENT EVER!!!11!

Intelligent conservatives appreciate what Clinton did about welfare and intelligent liberals appreciate what Bush Sr. did about backing off the worst predations of Reaganomics. But at the time, they were OMG WORST PREZIDENT EVER!!!11! It takes about a decade for partisans to admit decent presidents were decent. (Stinker presidents like Carter and Bush Jr. don't get that break.) Elections bring out silly season. Twas ever thus.

Wait, "intelligent conservatives?" Defined as those who agree with you? Puhleez. You just can't help yourself, can you?
 
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Wait, "intelligent conservatives?" Defined as those who agree with you? Puhleez. You just can't help yourself, can you?

Defined as those who are Barry Goldwater/Richard Nixon conservatives, not the current crop of Tea Party lunatics running the asylum.
 
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