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Obama XX: Maybe We'll Even Talk About Obama

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Handyman said:
I still hate myself for missing when Hank outed nate91b...what a moment that totally changed this board. (that was when BOARD started to crack down)

nate and phil knew how to do it though, they were full on Fox flunkies! I mean if you even hinted at not liking Dubya you were an American hating, French loving, commie pinko Islamofascist and you should be sent to Gitmo because guys like nate91b were fighting to save our freedoms! Good times :D

Anytime Bobo showed up to fight the pinheads was hours of enjoyment :D
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I remember that. Hank was banned after that. Really bummed when that happened cause I liked reading what Hank had to say. I still have the picture (.jpg) that Nate sent me of his impression of what ScoobyDoo and Dirty looked like. He made sure to edit the picture of me and prominently place the hammer and sickle on my T-shirt.

Miss Bobo too.
 
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Handyman said:
The same could be said for you...I have never seen you post one thing that didn't follow a pretty obvious bias. I mean at least my two big things are in conflict with each other (I am socially liberal but hardly fiscally liberal hence why I dont support the Health Care Deal) you dont deviate one bit. If I am a snoozer you are friggin Unisom.

Plus how can I be partisan...I hate both parties. :confused:
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You hate the GOP much more. An anteater could see that from a mile away.

I call 'em as I see 'em. You don't pay close attention. I gave Obama major kudos for being willing to work with states as they try to implement Obamacare while dealing with state budget woes. Or my stance against the death penalty. I could go on, but you've never shown a penchant for anything but the simplest caricatures of me.

Agreed on missing some of the old-timers.
 
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Handyman said:
nate and phil knew how to do it though, they were full on Fox flunkies! I mean if you even hinted at not liking Dubya you were an American hating, French loving, commie pinko Islamofascist and you should be sent to Gitmo because guys like nate91b were fighting to save our freedoms! Good times :D
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I agree, they were very funny. Dupree in particular I always swore was a liberal just having fun -- the things he posted were such a caricature of the right they sounded like Ed Anger's My America. One of my most cherished theories died when he disappeared but Scooby didn't. :)

Of course, those were also days before GOP candidates made them sound like intellectuals.
 
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Foxton said:
Be vague enough and you can equate anything two things together. Especially when talking about two bodies that use similar parlimentary precedures.
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OK, yeah I know they were done for completely opposite reasons*. I just mean that the methods and possible repercussions are very similar, giving a lie to much of the "outrage" over methodology from either side.
*(Obamacare, of course being done to consolidate power in as few hands as possible while Walker's aim is to bring down the all-powerful union bosses and give the power back to the taxpayers. :D)
 
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Kepler said:
I believe the correct word is "rabble rabble," although you may be referring to something specific that I'm not catching with "mutiny." If it's Pinafore again I'll have to relisten to it. :)
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Just something stuck in my mind. IIRC it was from a cartoon. As in: "Captain there are rumbles the crew is talking about mutiny."
 
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Some of these "Legends of Trollery" predate my arrival on the scene. I guess I'll have to wait 'till they start peddling the CD's on late night TV. And if there are any objective standards, I'm not aware of them. Handyman refers (boringly and repeatedly) to some post of mine where I allegedly called him a Nazi ("and I was agreeing with him"). And he puffs himself up, takes an extra strength irony pill and announces "I'm Jewish." Well that fixes me, doesn't it? He's evidently unaware that throwing about the term "nazi" is, sadly, a common tactic in our public debates. And while I'm not especially proud of any instance where I may have done it, he can't be so literal minded as to think I'm suggesting he's an actual, Nazi. "Because I'm Jewish." Yaba yaba yaba. The only actual Nazi I've seen in person was David Duke, parading around the campus of LSU in his full dress SA costume. So, I'll offer this compromise. I'll apologize (sincerely) for suggesting Handyman is a Nazi if he'll stop whining about it.

On another matter, the faux hysteria about Rep. King's previous statements in defense of the IRA. "I'm shocked, etc" For the record, the IRA was (and if there are any of them still around, is) a vicious terrorist organization. What possible political point could there be to putting a bomb in Harrod's, blowing up the horse guard in Hyde Park or (my favorite) blowing up Lord Louis Mountbatton, his 13-year old grandson and the grandson's pal? None, except terror. Such savagery should never be forgiven or forgotten.

But a whole generation of American politicians (who had significant numbers of Irish constituents) was, at a minimum, equivocal about the evils of the IRA. And Ted Kennedy, brother of a president and potential nominee himself, was at the head of the list. So, please lets not jerk anybody's chain about "supporting terrorism" here. Okay? Sometimes politics makes for strange bedfellows. Take Adlai Stevenson picking John Sparkman of Alabama to be his running mate in 1952. I'm pretty sure Adlai was repulsed by Sparkman's views on a variety of issues. I can just hear Sparkman "I don't personally approve of lynching nigras, but. . ." Does that mean Adlai supported Sparkman's positions on how guys in white sheets served some useful purpose? Of course not. Similarly, Rep. King and Senator Kennedy, and many others, can't reasonably be accused of approving the violence of the IRA. Playing footsie with them for political gain? Of course.

So let's now move on to Rep. King and the hearings on Islamic terrorism in America. Are we to infer that the objections really are to King's past statements in support of the IRA and not just a convenient way to condemn the hearings? Would the hearings be okay if King were to recuse himself and the next most senior Republican chair them in his place? Please. The objections are to the idea of having hearings. And perhaps there are good arguments to support that notion. But Rep. King's statements about the IRA don't constitute a good argument.

Some of us just can't come to grips with what we're up against. And even the example of "Dr." Hasan hasn't gotten through. Remember that painful exchange where the Attorney General of the United States, in a spasm of pandering and political correctness, just couldn't quite bring himself to admit there was a religious aspect to these terror attacks and plots? He was questioned again and again and resolutely refused to use the words "Islam" or "Muslim" or "terrorism" or "radical" in the contest of this violence against America and Americans. After ducking and dodging for what seemed like an eternity, he finally, reluctantly admitted that yes, religion plays a role in this problem. Whew.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSikSNcjrHc&feature=related


There has been no "backlash" against Muslims in this country, despite a decade of warnings, lectures and hysterical myth making--mostly by Islamic groups, many of which have been shown to playing fast and loose with radical Islam themselves. No one is suggesting FDR type concentration camps for Muslims. While I think it's important to let American Muslims know these hearings aren't aimed at them; short of not holding the hearings at all, there's no way to accomplish that because of the previously mentioned myth making. Take Congressman Ellison's phony lachrymose performance yesterday. He and it are both frauds.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/261903/rep-keith-ellison-s-bigotry-matthew-shaffer
 
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Old Pio said:
Some of these "Legends of Trollery" predate my arrival on the scene.
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He was on the Left in political threads, but you would have enjoyed Bobo. That guy was proof that timing is everything. He posts were almost never longer than a Twitter message, but when he shot, he scored. Good times.

I say this as someone who was on the wrong end of it as much as anyone (Bobo was a UNH guy).
 
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Kepler said:
Ah. Sounds very Hagar the Horrible.
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I looked it up: Stan Freberg. His hit record "St. George and the Dragonet" is still funny: "He breathed fire, and boined me already."

Or the Banana boat song: "Oooh man, like I don't dig spiders." He also did one on Lawrence Welk "The whole ballroom is lathering up with bubbles.

"Sadly, the comedian's most ambitious project in the entertainment field was also his last hurrah. Stan Freberg Presents the United States of America Volume One: The Early Years from 1961 was exactly what it sounds like: the first installment of a vast musical comedy detailing the entire history of this country, from Columbus' arrival on the continent ("It's a Round, Round World") on through the Declaration of Independence ("A Man Can't Be Too Careful What He Signs These Days"). It was not unsuccessful at the time, and over the years has achieved legendary status, but the project seemed doomed never to get past its premiere installment, due largely to the numerous abortive attempts at staging the production that kept Freberg from continuing with the second volume."


Scene Two: Columbus' First Voyage

First Mate: Admiral Columbus, sir, the men are weary. On the point of madness.

Columbus: That’s the trouble with labor today. Don’t they realize we’re going to discover the New World?

King: You’ve been saying that for the last 57 days.

Columbus: Well, nobody forced you to come along, Your Majesty.

King: My doctor told me I should go to Florida for the winter.

Columbus: Mm hmm.

King: I still can’t see what you needed three ships for!

Columbus: I got a better deal on the fleet rate.

King: I’ll accept that. But you better sight land soon. There’s rumblings of mutiny!

Columbus: Really?

King: Come over here and listen.

Columbus: Alright.

Crew: Rumble, rumble, rumble. Mutiny, mutiny, mutiny.

Columbus: I see what you mean. I’ll jump up here on the rigging and speak to ‘em.

King: You mean on top of everything else, this ship is rigged?

(Bosun’s whistle)

Columbus: Now hear this, this is the Admiral speaking! I know the going has been rough, but if we can just hold out a while longer-

Crew: Rumble.

Columbus: Stop that rumbling down there!

Crew: Rumble.

King: Who can blame ‘em? The whole thing is madness! I don’t like the way the crew is acting!

Columbus: Well, you’re overplaying a bit yourself, there.
 
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Old Pio said:
On another matter, the faux hysteria about Rep. King's previous statements in defense of the IRA. "I'm shocked, etc" For the record, the IRA was (and if there are any of them still around, is) a vicious terrorist organization. What possible political point could there be to putting a bomb in Harrod's, blowing up the horse guard in Hyde Park or (my favorite) blowing up Lord Louis Mountbatton, his 13-year old grandson and the grandson's pal? None, except terror. Such savagery should never be forgiven or forgotten.

But a whole generation of American politicians (who had significant numbers of Irish constituents) was, at a minimum, equivocal about the evils of the IRA. And Ted Kennedy, brother of a president and potential nominee himself, was at the head of the list. So, please lets not jerk anybody's chain about "supporting terrorism" here. Okay? Sometimes politics makes for strange bedfellows. Take Adlai Stevenson picking John Sparkman of Alabama to be his running mate in 1952. I'm pretty sure Adlai was repulsed by Sparkman's views on a variety of issues. I can just hear Sparkman "I don't personally approve of lynching nigras, but. . ." Does that mean Adlai supported Sparkman's positions on how guys in white sheets served some useful purpose? Of course not. Similarly, Rep. King and Senator Kennedy, and many others, can't reasonably be accused of approving the violence of the IRA. Playing footsie with them for political gain? Of course.

So let's now move on to Rep. King and the hearings on Islamic terrorism in America. Are we to infer that the objections really are to King's past statements in support of the IRA and not just a convenient way to condemn the hearings? Would the hearings be okay if King were to recuse himself and the next most senior Republican chair them in his place? Please. The objections are to the idea of having hearings. And perhaps there are good arguments to support that notion. But Rep. King's statements about the IRA don't constitute a good argument.
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Had a few things to say in hindsight I see. :) First, Sevenson and his running mate would get demolished today...as they should.

King is crying from the rooftop because he is 'concerned about terrorism'. When surprisingly little terror has taken place from the millions of American Muslims in place. Whereas when there was repeated terror elsewhere and he supported it. Sorry, but the guy is not going to get a free pass on that.

What do hearings actually do? Turning it into a media circus and alarming the average citizen with no other outcome...except possibly political gain. What if the police walked up and down the street telling everyone how bad crime was...do we think that would help? Well one thing this will do is show millions of American Muslims little respect for having actually done a pretty good job of joining the American way of life.

So rather than having a media circus that's likely to do more damage than good...the FBI/CIA should actually attack the problem from every angle and let any extremists believe nobody's watching them. Sorry, I just don't have patience for obviously bad policy.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Had a few things to say in hindsight I see. :) First, Sevenson and his running mate would get demolished today...as they should.

King is crying from the rooftop because he is 'concerned about terrorism'. When surprisingly little terror has taken place from the millions of American Muslims in place. Whereas when there was repeated terror elsewhere and he supported it. Sorry, but the guy is not going to get a free pass on that.

What do hearings actually do? Turning it into a media circus and alarming the average citizen with no other outcome...except possibly political gain. What if the police walked up and down the street telling everyone how bad crime was...do we think that would help? Well one thing this will do is show millions of American Muslims little respect for having actually done a pretty good job of joining the American way of life.

So rather than having a media circus that's likely to do more damage than good...the FBI/CIA should actually attack the problem from every angle and let any extremists believe nobody's watching them. Sorry, I just don't have patience for obviously bad policy.
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Like a toddler with a drum, until mommy takes it away. You're right, congressional hearings usually (always?) are media circuses. And I'm sure if I check back I'll find you right there, criticizing two years worth of Henry Waxman's legislative lynchings. No? And I don't think King "supported" terrorism. He may have temporized it or tried to explain it away. But I doubt he "supported" it. BTW I never abided the fiction that there was such a thing as a "political wing" to the IRA. It would be like Von Ribbentrop saying: "I'm in the diplomatic wing of the party, when Der Fuhrer orders Operation Barbarossa, and violates a non aggression treaty I negotiated, it has nothing to do with me." Bollocks. We hanged that rotten POS after the war, as we should have. Similarly, Gerry Adams had blood on his hands, whether he planted the bombs personally or not. He worked for and on behalf of the bombers, and that's good enough for me.

As to the Stevenson comparison, even you can't be so intellectually dishonest or obtuse as to not see the point I was making. The point was that the great New Deal Democrat coalition involved people you wouldn't expect to be on the same side voting the same way on election day: northern blacks and liberals and southern whites. And there had to be a whole heap of compromisin' going on to maintain that edifice. And for that reason, Stevenson compromised his principles by running for president twice with segregationists on the ticket. Okay, back on ignore. It's your business if you want to disagree with me. But it's my business to try to have an intelligent discussion with someone so out of touch with reality and, I repeat, so intellectually dishonest.

And your lack of candor is conspicuous when you allow that Stevenson would lose today and would deserve it. Well, bucko, he lost then, too. It was in all the papers. Besides, it's not like there's the slightest chance you wouldn't vote for him were he to be nominated again. Were Adlai nominated these days he surely wouldn't have an arch segregationist on the ticket with him. A lying, cheating scumbag ambulance chaser, perhaps, but not a segregationist. If you haven't seen "13 days," I'd recommend it. Adlai was UN ambassador during the Cuban missile crisis and stood very tall for America. Adlai Stevenson was from one of America's great political families. Like the Kennedys, only without the lechery (including dalliances with at least one East German spy), alcoholism, drowning, mob alliances and sexual assault of baby sitters. McClean Stevenson (who played Henry Blake on MASH) is part of that family, McClean is their county of origin in Illinois.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GbRoDxcIz8
 
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Kepler said:
I agree, they were very funny. Dupree in particular I always swore was a liberal just having fun -- the things he posted were such a caricature of the right they sounded like Ed Anger's My America. One of my most cherished theories died when he disappeared but Scooby didn't. :)

Of course, those were also days before GOP candidates made them sound like intellectuals.
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From NAPALM Central in Munger, MI....

"S-rocks trap with Clark Bar bait". Still cracks me up.
 
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Old Pio said:
As to the Stevenson comparison, even you can't be so intellectually dishonest as to not see the point I was making.
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Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
- Robert A. Heinlein
 
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What I love about New Hampshire and what we have in common is our extreme love for liberty. You're the state where the shot was heard around the world in Lexington and Concord.
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I don't think that our public schools are necessarily the place where one fixed set of political beliefs should be imposed on students. I think that knowledge, facts, and information should be on the table, and let students decide what their beliefs should be.
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A center-right blog. Interesting.

Not every one will find it convincing of course, but it is at least possible to have civil political discourse.
 
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Bob Gray said:
You hate the GOP much more. An anteater could see that from a mile away.

I call 'em as I see 'em. You don't pay close attention. I gave Obama major kudos for being willing to work with states as they try to implement Obamacare while dealing with state budget woes. Or my stance against the death penalty. I could go on, but you've never shown a penchant for anything but the simplest caricatures of me.

Agreed on missing some of the old-timers.
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I "call them like I see them" Bob ;)

BTW I dont hate the GOP more they just give me more ammo. Mocking the Dems is like playing Trivial Pursuit with a 2 year old ;) I mean why waste breathe insulting Nancy Pelosi...just say her name or post a picture and BOOM nuff saud :D
 
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