Obama XX: Maybe We'll Even Talk About Obama

[Old Pio]

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You forgot to add traitor... let's keep reminding folks what Teddy did to subvert his own elected leadership in the 1980s. The man feared Reagan more than he feared the soviet system.

Not to mention the Ralph Kramden answer to Roger Mudd's question, "why do you want to be president?" "Hamina hamina hamina" Brilliant. On a personal level I'm pretty sure I would have liked him. Big, laughing, Irish guy. Let's have a beer and throw some darts and tell some lies. But he played politics like the toughest ward healer on the south side of Chicago. That speech he gave after Bork's nomination started below the belt, and stayed there. A true masterpiece.

edit: I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to here.

 

[Foxton]

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So I think Bachmann is a freak...big deal. But I don't support advocates of terrorism. The IRA has killed hundreds of innocents. You're either against that or not. Its simple.

They weren't american innocents, so who cares?

 

[Old Pio]

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So I think Bachmann is a freak...big deal. But I don't support advocates of terrorism. The IRA has killed hundreds of innocents. You're either against that or not. Its simple.

Were these deaths recent? And did they occur in the United States? Tell me you're not equating the threat of Islamic terrorism with the IRA. Bobby Sands is dead, it's been in all the papers.

 

[Old Pio]

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They weren't american innocents, so who cares?

Yeah, so?

 

[Patman]

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Not to mention the Ralph Kramden answer to Roger Mudd's question, "why do you want to be president?" "Hamina hamina hamina" Brilliant. On a personal level I'm pretty sure I would have liked him. Big, laughing, Irish guy. Let's have a beer and throw some darts and tell some lies. But he played politics like the toughest ward healer on the south side of Chicago. That speech he gave after Bork's nomination started below the belt, and stayed there. A true masterpiece.

edit: I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to here.

The soviet archives which specifically talk about Kennedy meeting with Gorbachev's predecessor on how to affect the 1984 election.

 

[Patman]

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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-turns-attention-bullying/story?id=13097724

Remember, its not OK for you to harm kids... unless your kid becomes a Wisconsin legislator... then its OK... hell, death threats, car rattlings, etc. All are acceptable... but not UNTIL he or she becomes a Wisconsin legislator. A Wisconsin legislator or a son of a bank CEO.... gosh, you know, this could grow and grow. Kids... you shouldn't be harmed unless you belong to a specific approved list.... you don't get to see the list.

This message brought to you from the "do what's good for your health" council, Organizing for America, and Americans for Civility (on our Terms).

 

[5mn_Major]

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Were these deaths recent? And did they occur in the United States? Tell me you're not equating the threat of Islamic terrorism with the IRA. Bobby Sands is dead, it's been in all the papers.

What kind of logic is that? Murder of anyone is fine if its overseas? I guess anyone includes American soldiers in Germany.

9/11 isn't important because it wasn't that recent?

No tap dancing necessary. Its not illegal to support advocates of terrorism.

 

[Old Pio]

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The soviet archives which specifically talk about Kennedy meeting with Gorbachev's predecessor on how to affect the 1984 election.

Whoosh. I gotta do some research. Thanks. Konstantin? What a guy. Or was it Yuri, who ordered the hit on John Paul? I better reread the Mitrokhin archives.

 

[Old Pio]

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What kind of logic is that? Murder of anyone is fine if its overseas? I guess anyone includes American soldiers in Germany.

9/11 isn't important because it wasn't that recent?

No tap dancing necessary. Its not illegal to support advocates of terrorism.

I love getting lectures about "logic" from you. Makes my day. But let's review, shall we. The name of the committee holding the hearings is HOMELAND SECURITY. I'll give credit where credit is due, you're the only one on this board who would suggest IRA killings in Europe would fall under the committee's purview. And it takes a special kind of disconnect from reason to find a Malmedy massacre connection here. However since you bring him up, I think history's been unfair to Jochen Peiper. I haven't said a word in praise or support of the IRA, but you go ahead, since it's obvious you got nothin'. Trust me, this is dreadful, even by your standards.

 

[Old Pio]

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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-turns-attention-bullying/story?id=13097724

Remember, its not OK for you to harm kids... unless your kid becomes a Wisconsin legislator... then its OK... hell, death threats, car rattlings, etc. All are acceptable... but not UNTIL he or she becomes a Wisconsin legislator. A Wisconsin legislator or a son of a bank CEO.... gosh, you know, this could grow and grow. Kids... you shouldn't be harmed unless you belong to a specific approved list.... you don't get to see the list.

This message brought to you from the "do what's good for your health" council, Organizing for America, and Americans for Civility (on our Terms).

I believe the pending motto for above is: "You're fooking dead."

 

[Handyman]

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I have 5mn and Old Pio on block so 3/4 of the last page is just empty spaces saying the message is blocked. God that makes life easier.

 

[XYZ]

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God that makes life easier.

But far less entertaining.

 

[Kepler]

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"rumble, rumble, rumble, mutiny, mutiny, mutiny"

I believe the correct word is "rabble rabble," although you may be referring to something specific that I'm not catching with "mutiny." If it's Pinafore again I'll have to relisten to it.

 

[Kepler]

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I have 5mn and Old Pio on block so 3/4 of the last page is just empty spaces saying the message is blocked. God that makes life easier.

I don't think either of those guys should be on Ignore.* Snarky doesn't equal trolling, or if it does I should be on Ignore.

Wait. Is there anybody out there? Hello? Hello?

* I've only seen 5 guys on this forum who are so valueless they have deserved to be on Ignore. They all are, and it does make the board far more pleasant and intelligent. Although 3 of them I don't think are even on the board anymore.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Hey, I asked the regressives to join the discussion, but for some reason they've all disappeared from the thread.

I think that most of us, who disagree with you, realize that it is completely pointless to argue about politics with people who won't budge on their position, on an internet message board. The only result of this is asinine name calling.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-turns-attention-bullying/story?id=13097724

Remember, its not OK for you to harm kids... unless your kid becomes a Wisconsin legislator... then its OK... hell, death threats, car rattlings, etc. All are acceptable... but not UNTIL he or she becomes a Wisconsin legislator. A Wisconsin legislator or a son of a bank CEO.... gosh, you know, this could grow and grow. Kids... you shouldn't be harmed unless you belong to a specific approved list.... you don't get to see the list.

This message brought to you from the "do what's good for your health" council, Organizing for America, and Americans for Civility (on our Terms).

Your side won the class war, so what are you crying about?

 

[Kepler]

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I think that most of us, who disagree with you, realize that it is completely pointless to argue about politics with people who won't budge on their position, on an internet message board. The only result of this is asinine name calling.

Emphasis mine.

Very few people won't budge. I think the reason for arguing is to try to boil down differences to their precise point. At that atomic unit, yes, agreement is probably impossible -- we have basic values and beliefs that are autobiographical and psychological rather than rational are not alterable unless something traumatic happens in our lives (the gun nut whose 8 year old kills himself with his firearm; the anti-death penalty guy whose wife is raped and murdered, etc...). But almost all of political reality plays out at the policy level way above those core values. If our values are machine code, our political stances are a high-level language with great abstraction and flexibility. It's entirely possible to compromise at that level (unless someone has been so brainwashed by their ideology that they have become completely dogmatic and fundamentalist, as with the caricature of the guy who has read only one book, or listened to one radio host).

The vast majority of people are honestly looking for solutions to our intractable problems and looking to engage with others more or less honestly. There are a few trolls who only want to start fights and there are a few of those why-so-serious? True Believers who think that giving any ground on any point is a disadvantage in a negotiation. They damage the honest search for compromise and in a better world there would be a way to screen them out, but just because we can't doesn't mean the whole enterprise is a failure. The one or two jackwagons don't hold the adults hostage.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Emphasis mine.

Very few people won't budge. I think the reason for arguing is to try to boil down differences to their precise point. At that atomic unit, yes, agreement is probably impossible -- we have basic values and beliefs that are autobiographical and psychological rather than rational are not alterable unless something traumatic happens in our lives (the gun nut whose 8 year old kills himself with his firearm; the anti-death penalty guy whose wife is raped and murdered, etc...). But almost all of political reality plays out at the policy level way above those core values. If our values are machine code, our political stances are a highlevel language with great abstraction and flexibility. It's entirely possible to compromise at that level unless someone has been so brainwashed by their ideology that they have become completely dogmatic and fundamentalist.

As soon as anyone who disagrees with the mass of posters in here, the first reaction is immediate name calling, not constructive discussion.

 

[Kepler]

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As soon as anyone who disagrees with the mass of posters in here, the first reaction is immediate name calling, not constructive discussion.

I don't perceive it that way. People may throw around labels like "knuckledragger" or "socialist" but (1) often those are being used in a winking way, (2) though it doesn't help anything it's still possible to have language like that and still make a testable thesis, and (3) the few people who really believe stuff like that and are really committed to the literal truth of those labels are universally acknowledged to be idiots and ignored, if not formally then implicitly.

The Forum is a K-12 schoolyard with a bunch of kids all hollering and pushing each other. The trolls are those annoying 4th graders who think they're saying something important by being strident, when really they're just begging for attention and repeating verbatim something they heard once from a 10th grader.

Of course, the best any of us are is 12th graders, so you can't expect much from us , but most of us are trying.

I believe the Forum is about the closest we have to a consarned Laboratory of Democracy. That's why the rewarding exchanges are the ones with opponents, not allies.

 

[Priceless]

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I think that most of us, who disagree with you, realize that it is completely pointless to argue about politics with people who won't budge on their position, on an internet message board. The only result of this is asinine name calling.

They have had no problem arguing until that video showed up with the Wisconsin GOP member admitting that the whole charade was about the 2012 election. Then they suddenly disappeared. I guess it's just another coincidence.